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Dec 10, 2011

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Bobby Deluxe posted:

One of the few good things to come out of tumblr was the phrase "Canon Jesus is better than fandom Jesus."

There are a ton of church christians who are the exact kind of people who if Jesus came back today, he'd be flipping tables and beating them with a whip.

I forget who wrote it, but there's a song or poem that sums it up:

Jesus said to help the poor
And love your fellow men
If he came back to Earth today
They'd nail him up again

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Dec 10, 2011

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Julio Cruz posted:

kinda weird tbh that multiple people have said recently that they find this thread can be really bad for their mental health with all the doomposting and yet we still have people coming in posting poo poo like "hope is a lie"

Or you posting at all, Mr Avatar.

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Dec 10, 2011

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Check out the biggest problems facing the UK in 2022 as per Red Wall fuckwits. 33% name cost of living, 27% name the economy, 10% name Brexit. They aren't capable of drawing the slightest connection between actions and consequences.

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Dec 10, 2011

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fuctifino posted:

Why are centrists so bad at the internet? Every loving time.... lol

You're talking here about a group of people who have spent the last five years smugly congratulating themselves that when called to balance workers rights, socialised health care and international trade against absolute unfettered evil and corruption, they had the maturity to choose a path between.

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Dec 10, 2011

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NotJustANumber99 posted:

How much electricity do all the computer games take?

Oh look, the Tesla defender has also decided to defend crypto with whataboutism. What a loving shock.

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Dec 10, 2011

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OwlFancier posted:

I think what is being described is a butter dish with a water seal, but I don't know where the "upside down" comes in. Perhaps it is some sort of butter isomer.

If you think of a tub of butter as having a lid, "upside down" would be with the lid at the bottom.

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Dec 10, 2011

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keep punching joe posted:

Actually checking the wiki article, and it actually looks like a good idea. I had a horrible mental image of it being all wet and gross like feta cheese.

Feta is great. I do wish it wasn't quite so damp, though.

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Dec 10, 2011

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Just Another Lurker posted:

Never read the books but have the box set and have marathoned all the movies several times.

Ah, yes, the movies. Which feature a 35 year old woman in a bath with a 14 year old boy.

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Dec 10, 2011

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Failed Imagineer posted:


E: also I think you get amazon free if you have Prime shipping? Makes sense for a lot of people and it's a decent service

You get Amazon Prime Video free as part of a Prime membership, yes. If you watch Twitch you also get a free subscription to the streamer of your choice each month. The two combined are easily worth the money even if you never shop on Amazon.

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Dec 10, 2011

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WhatEvil posted:

You can delete videos from your youtube watch history and then they won't affect your recommendations anymore:

Go here: https://www.youtube.com/feed/history?hl=en_GB

Click on "Watch and search history" on the right hand menu.

Use the search near the top of that page to find the videos you want to remove.

From those two pages you can also set up auto delete every [x] months, delete all vids from a date range, pause recording of watch history and other stuff that can be very useful.

There's also an option to simply turn off YouTube history. It doesn't do anything, though; you'll still be recommended videos based on what you've seen before and channels you're subbed to, even if there's nothing in your history.

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Dec 10, 2011

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Gort posted:

I had heard that the problem with the NHS wasn't literal beds and buildings, it was staff. Which is why the giant Nightingale they made out of the Excel Centre in London is back to doing conventions again - there were no staff to run it as a hospital, and the government has no interest in training or attracting more.

They were never meant to be hospitals for treatment anyway. They were just places to send sick people to die after COVID-19 was allowed to rip through the population. Tory donors making profit from a death toll that would have exceeded that of the entire Second World War in a single year was just a coincidence, I'm sure.

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Dec 10, 2011

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Private Speech posted:


e: also over 10k predominantly working-age people in the US died from the vaccines - significantly less than the number who died of covid, but not negligible

Show your working.

I can to some degree sympathise with Djokovic not wanting to get the vaccine because of side effects. I'm recovering from a rotator cuff dysfunction in my shoulder; I got my booster in that arm and I lost all my progress. For someone who uses their shoulder for a living, that would be a big problem.

But he doesn't want to avoid it for those reasons. He's just another antivaxxer dickhead and as such, he can suffer.

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Dec 10, 2011

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Guavanaut posted:

"we set two brexit voters up on a date"

Across the divide.

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Dec 10, 2011

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Paperhouse posted:

Somehow I've never heard of this before, have you got a link to an article or something? Not doubting it, just interested. I didn't know that Djokovic was that mediocre in the past, my interest in tennis comes and goes and I just remember him bursting onto the scene and doing like you said, grinding everyone down

That's because it never happened. He was a highly regarded junior player who reached the final of the Junior Davis Cup, was beating top 32 players in five set matches when he was 16, and improved constantly and steadily until he began winning Slams in 2008. In his late teens Tennis GB were courting him to switch nation so they wouldn't have to rely solely on Andy Murray. He's a twat who deserves contempt, but he's never been mediocre.

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Dec 10, 2011

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Rustybear posted:

it's wild that the thread full of tennis cynics is resting on andy murray as being the one good guy; he was absolutely not on the level and his foreshortened career and hosed joints are a consequence of that. at the peak of his run the french press were more or less openely accusing him of doping

At the peak of his career, when he was regularly beating all the best French players, the French accused him of doping? Well I never.

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Dec 10, 2011

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Mega Comrade posted:

Doesn't John Lewis somewhat treat its staff like human being also? I remember when I was younger it was regarded as one of the better retail jobs to have.

If you kept it. John Lewis closed a bunch of their stores during the pandemic. The Aberdeen store is currently in use as the vaccination centre.

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Dec 10, 2011

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goddamnedtwisto posted:

I can't shop in Lidl. The Aisle of Wonder is too dangerous for me to be near, I can't keep going in for a dozen eggs and some fruit and coming out with an arc welder, a watercolour painting set, and a set of thermal underwear.

Sounds like Costco, which I have in the past described as the only place you can get a chainsaw, a trampoline and a birthday cake under the same roof.

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Dec 10, 2011

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Private Speech posted:

Yes they do, on average more than inflation in fact.

You might not be getting a raise right now but your next job etc., will, on average, pay more.

My next job, that's a laugh.

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Dec 10, 2011

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Barry Foster posted:

*extremely funny Borat voice* My wife

More anti-Semitism from the left?

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Dec 10, 2011

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josh04 posted:

They've been hitting him with this stick for how long, now?

There's an argument that it didn't do anything the first 20 times, yes. But normally these things don't stick because the news cycle moves on. Here they're not allowing it to move on, and Boris being Boris they've always got a new example rather than rehashing the old one. It's not going to finish the Tories, but the Tories think it will finish Johnson. They want him gone now.

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Dec 10, 2011

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goddamnedtwisto posted:

Unfortunately though the far-right projects were pandering to a voter base who had been coddled and courted by every party since 1979, and so react with frothing rage the moment things don't go exactly as they've been promised they'll go, and were supported by huge thermals of coverage from a press that broadly agreed with them. A new left-wing party has to engage an electorate deliberately ignored and beaten down for that time, who see no point in voting at all, and will face a degree of press hostility that will make what Corbyn, Abbott et. al. went through look tame.

It's not even so good. Positing a left wing party splitting off from Labour as the equivalent of UKIP overlooks that UKIP's success in goals but not elections came about because the majority of Tories either wanted what they wanted or were happy to sway with the breeze. The majority of the PLP do not want left wing policies, nor are they willing to sway even for the chance of entering government. They are rank opportunists who joined Labour because the Tories wouldn't have them, and have been quite clear that they would rather serve in Hell than reign in Heaven. They cannot be pressured in the same way, and don't really even care about losing elections as long as they get onto the post-MP consultancy carousel.

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Dec 10, 2011

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Pistol_Pete posted:

And as for Labour preferring to remaining staunchly Centrist rather than making any concessions to the left, yes, that's a possible outcome but not necessarily a bad one. Labour can't win without the broad support of the left, so forcing them into a situation where they either have to change or do a PASOK are both good outcomes imo.

You're not understanding. The Labour right do not need to win to get what they want, because what they want is to get on the post-political gravy train.

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Dec 10, 2011

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Rustybear posted:

i mean prior to that it hasn't happened in 50 years so ymmv for boris really

Thatcher won her VONC in 1991, although she chose to step down anyway as it wasn't overwhelming. In fact the only Tory leader to lose a VONC in the last 50 years was Ted Heath, who resigned after Thatcher narrowly beat him in the first round of voting. All the others resigned or stepped down of their own accord apart from IDS, who resigned rather than contest a vote.

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Dec 10, 2011

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Barry Foster posted:

Nah, we've been learning the same lessons from roughly the same time as Trummu got in (Brexit), it's just getting worse now

Also we're learning that unwritten conventions are meaningless, while the US are learning that written conventions are meaningless when fascists stack the courts with judges who will ignore them.

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Dec 10, 2011

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ThomasPaine posted:


iirc Ruth Davidson has always been opposed to Bojo. Didn't she resign as leader of the Scottish Tories when he became PM because of his history of homophobic poo poo?

Ruth Davidson didn't resign as leader of the Scottish Tories when May went into government with a group of fanatics who literally want to murder her wife.

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Dec 10, 2011

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Failed Imagineer posted:

My Normal surname has people asking a lot of email questions already answered by my surname

Insert picture of Kevin Bacon here.

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Dec 10, 2011

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The Question IRL posted:

The thing about including Atlantis in any of your ancient conspiracy theories is Atlantis first written mentioned is believed to be one of the dialogues of Plato. A man who regularly invented people to say the things he wanted them to say but wrote it as "this totally happened to me on Saturday night."

It was the style. Hypotheticals weren't really allowed, you had to be writing about empirical facts or you were just a storyteller. Hence Herodotus adding his favourite tales to his histories with a disclaimer saying that he personally thought it was bunk. If he tried to tell the stories as stories then people would think the histories were just stories too.

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Dec 10, 2011

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keep punching joe posted:

By God that's Diogenes' music I hear!

*barrel rolls down gangway*

As if there's an honest man in wrestling.

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Dec 10, 2011

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jiggerypokery posted:

Still calling him the "Duke of York" though apparently.

If you've ever played Crusader Kings, you'll know that you can change the royal succession and your kids will get pissed off, but revoke a duchy and you're looking at a war.

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Dec 10, 2011

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Worth noting that in both those polls, the Tory voters that Keith is busily courting aren't moving to him - they're staying home. Labour's tiny gains come from slightly less disillusioned people who are thinking that at least Starmer can't be worse than the Tories (they are wrong; Starmer is a Tory) and coming back now they sense blood in the water. If a snap election were to be called Labour couldn't possibly win it, but the Tories might lose it.

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Dec 10, 2011

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Necrothatcher posted:

On the death traditions thing I was quite thrown in Italy when I discovered that someone's expected to wait in vigil with the body before the funeral and had to basically spend five days sitting next to an open casket.

Didn't you do that when Thatcher died, with a hammer and a stake?

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Dec 10, 2011

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serious gaylord posted:

She's gone full theranos

Not really, she's at least getting some results from the blood samples.

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Dec 10, 2011

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Jakabite posted:

I like this poster. This poster should post more imo. that is my drunk posting review for the evening. tune in next week

You're going to feel like a complete prat when Prole turns out to be someone's re-reg.

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Dec 10, 2011

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Jakabite posted:

This is great. I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels like Sue Gray is suddenly someone I should know about. As if Sue Gray is, and always has been, the arbiter of right and wrong and that, of course it's a matter for Sue Gray. Who's Sue Gray? What a crazy question, it's Sue Gray of course!

Sue Gray bit and run.

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Dec 10, 2011

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domhal posted:

Finally Andy can win the AO.

If he wins it aged 34 and from outside the top 128 it would be an incredible achievement.

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Dec 10, 2011

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forkboy84 posted:


I'm not going to be stunned when a similar line is used on the NHS is a decade or 2, never mind that "starve the beast" is an explicit tactic of libertarian minded cunts to ensure the NHS isn't up to snuff & gosh, guess we need the market to pick up the slack. The NHS is already not fit for purpose. Even before the pandemic. The options are a) fund it properly or b) get to a point where poo poo can't be reversed. This worries me.

I would absolutely be stunned if that line was being used on the NHS in 10 years time, because it's happening right now. There won't be an NHS as we know it for it to happen to. There probably won't even be a nation to have it, for that matter. It was always the Tory plan to destroy it all for profit, but they're accelerating everything to protect the worst leader any country has had probably since Elagabalus and to protect themselves. They have a very good chance to establish permanent Tory hegemony by doing so, but if they fail none of them will ever have another chance like this to pillage the nation.

Also I see Prole is sitting on a 6er for being a re-reg. I told you. He wasn't a poo poo poster here, but nobody comes fresh into a community and is that comfortable being assertive.

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Dec 10, 2011

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forkboy84 posted:

I think the line between brainwashing & propaganda is a lot thicker than you. Miles wide. I also think that in the scheme of the BBC's sins, Eastenders being anti-cannabis or whatever the gently caress you're mad about is pretty loving low down.

To be clear, I think the BBC is worth saving despite what it is today. Because of what it can be, and what it has been. Nobody here is denying the BBC as it stands is poo poo. But if you can't see the value of a state funded but independently run news & media source that doesn't have advertisers to kowtow to then I don't really know what to say. That the BBC hasn't been independently run in ages is kind of a moot point. Think why the the Tories, even after having completely compromised the BBC still want to get rid of it.

Here's the distinction that needs to be made. The BBC as is always reflects bias towards the government, whoever that government may be. If it is replaced by the Tories, its replacement will always reflect bias towards the Tories regardless of who is in power - unless the Tories somehow offend the owner, by, for instance, not doing everything he wants. It would be like replacing a state run newspaper with the Daily Mail.

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Dec 10, 2011

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IllusionistTrixie posted:

This implies that we won't have a thousand year Reich Conservative government.

That is the purpose of getting rid of the BBC, yes.

Got a PM from Prole, claiming their real identity - although of course that cannot be proven. I will not pass it on, nor would I even if they hadn't asked me not to, but I can tell you that they are definitely not Pissflaps. Hopefully they are on the level and will be back soon.

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OwlFancier posted:

I think a better explanation is that if you want a "big tent" party at the moment you just join labour, and then the lovely people in charge of it use you to get their lovely mates elected and do nothing to help you while a bunch of other people tell you that you have to stay in because there cannot ever be anything better.

And as long as that is happening, there is no impetus to organize an alternative. Labour was not born at the beginning of time, it arose out of need because there was a political desire that it was commonly felt was going unfulfilled, and I do not think you will see an alternative form as long as it exists and is regarded as "the only credibletm left party"

That doesn't make the plan to replace it with a new big tent party any better. That new big tent will be just as susceptible to soft-right entryism of the kind that has been killing Labour for the last 30 years.

Szmitten posted:

I think it's more a matter of either starting small but pure and getting stomped out immediately and forever, or infiltrating the existing tainted big one and twisting it leftwards by making your presence indispensable.

Are you not paying attention for the last five or six years? The left cannot make themselves indispensable to the Labour right, because the right would rather be destroyed than win with the help of the left.

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radmonger posted:

Labour is bankrupt, swiftly losing members, and led by charisma-free obvious idiots. Ones who will always be returning fewer MPs to parliament, and so supporting a smaller of career staff posts, than any alternative. This would seem to me to make changing course absolutely politics on easy mode, something that will naturally happen unless some unpredictable event prevents it.

In contrast, the consensus here seems to be the task of taking on and defeating those evident losers is impossible. I guess there was some post that explained all that in incontrovertible detail that I missed?

I think I just made it, but when your goal is to extinguish the left in politics then it doesn't matter to you whether you paint the red car blue or crash it into a tree. Labour can in theory be saved by the vote staying home everywhere outside constituencies with proper left wing candidates, but that has two problems. First, if the Labour electorate could identify right wing candidates instead of just ticking the box by the red rose then we wouldn't have this problem to begin with. Second, it would collapse Labour to the point where they wouldn't even be the Opposition any more, and we're left with either the Tories and Lib Dems struggling over who can be the biggest oval office or just simply a permanent Tory government with a 200 majority enacting full fascism.

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