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Sydney Bottocks posted:Can you provide a link that says that? Googling "Doctor Who Disney plus" doesn't show anything contradicting that report. Open Source Idiom posted:I dunno, take your pick: Who has a strong leftist audience so there's natural opposition to Disney. Who's British, Disney is American, so the nationalists get mad. A lot of fans are worried about change full stop. Sydney Bottocks posted:I have no idea why you're having a go at me about this, but whatever. Cleretic posted:If I said that the Earth has seventeen invisible moons, would you require direct evidence to the contrary before calling me out as full of poo poo? Open Source Idiom posted:I'm not? I'm just trying to talk about your argument and leverage a counterargument against it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCtsjn_hJms
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Sydney Bottocks posted:I have no idea why you're having a go at me about this, but whatever. https://i.imgur.com/Rs9cNWy.mp4
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Cleretic posted:If I said that the Earth has seventeen invisible moons, would you require direct evidence to the contrary before calling me out as full of poo poo? WTF is this crap? I posted the link to the story, people immediately claimed it was bullshit, I asked for a link showing where the story was refuted after finding none myself, and all I got was a bunch of people jumping on me and  a Wikipedia entry. It's not on me to prove that Disney has input on the creative side.It must be true because a bunch of y'all are falling all over yourselves to scream it can't be true.
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Read the article you linked then you bellendquote:The BBC will retain ultimate editorial control of future series, The Telegraph understands, so the tone and content of the show may not deviate dramatically from the canon of Doctor Who.
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Infinitum posted:Read the article you linked then you bellend If you'd have read my my post you'd have seen that I both quoted and bolded a section with that bit of loving information in the first goddamn place In summary, get bent
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Dropping out of this thread because apparently posting a link to this story got NuWho fans riled the gently caress up and I don't need to raise my blood pressure any further. I only watch the classic series anyways so whatever.
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Even if Disney doesn't officially have a hand in writing the show, them holding the purse strings means that they have an implicit voice in any creative decisions. A Black companion? Well, isn't the Doctor already Black, how about some diversity? Hmm, I don't know if people are going to tune in with this many trans characters running around... Now, do I think that RTD is going to stand for that sort of thing? No. But who comes after RTD? How about one of those big-name directors we've spent so much money to get on the show and is also signed to a multi-picture deal with Disney? Turning Doctor Who from a property owned by the BBC as a whole into one owned by various for-profits, even if one of those is (currently) the show's biggest success story is a dangerous road to go down.
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Sydney Bottocks posted:WTF is this crap? I posted the link to the story, people immediately claimed it was bullshit, I asked for a link showing where the story was refuted after finding none myself, and all I got was a bunch of people jumping on me and I didn't say this to attack you, I was pointing out that the Telegraph provided neither proof, corroborated claims, nor really any reason to believe them over everything else. I'm not calling you full of poo poo, I'm calling THEM full of poo poo. (Which should not be a controversial statement, it is the Telegraph.) They made a baseless assertion with no evidence, and we should treat it as such. Hate Disney for the things they have confirmably done, not what one of the world's dumbest newspapers claims without proof that they will.
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gently caress i just realized that Flux should have been the setup/lead-in to Power of the Doctor, instead of whatever it was. All of the different parts we've been discussing/identifying could have been whole episodes of their own driving to the special as a finale after a cliffhanger
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...So, who would win in a fight, the Skarasen or the Myrka?
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Skarasan, it’s huge!
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But its kung fu would be useless!
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US Doctor Who will have a sonic shotgun. Tardis changed from a phone box to a winnebago
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Remember when the Doctor was going to be played by Johnny Depp
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I'm old enough to remember when he was going to be David Hasselhoff
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Remember when they handed the first woman doctor to chris chibnall
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Remember when Chibnall created an actually good woman Doctor, but then she was non-canon pre-hartnell timeless child bullshit I actually think the good thing about the Chibnall era is that he is 'penned in' now into a couple of easily skipped seasons. Unless RTD invites him back 
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lmao i genuinely forgot about her. she had like 10 lines and was throroughly more convicing than 13 constantly being belittled and outsmarted by everyone
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Jo Martin is good and I hope she sticks around and they handwave Timeless Child nonsense away with "Actually I'm just a parrallel universe Doctor, our minds must be alike. Timeless Child? Have you been listening to the nonsense your universes Master has been feeding you?"
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I love the silly boogeyman stuff people project onto Disney. It's a massive corporation that did so much stuff, you can just pretend they'll do the most exaggerated worst-case scenario and think you've predicted something sensible. I'm not seeing any other platform putting out Andor though!
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Infinitum posted:Jo Martin is good and I hope she sticks around and they handwave Timeless Child nonsense away with "Actually I'm just a parrallel universe Doctor, our minds must be alike. Timeless Child? Have you been listening to the nonsense your universes Master has been feeding you?" It would be absolutely hilarious if they had her appear from time to time without acknowledging the timeless child bullshit.
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Just like once a series, once every other series maybe, everything looks hopeless, theres no way the Doctor can win this one when suddenly... Bah Gawd! Thats Jo Martins music! 
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SiKboy posted:Just like once a series, once every other series maybe, everything looks hopeless, theres no way the Doctor can win this one when suddenly... Bah Gawd! Thats Jo Martins music! That seemingly innocuous steel chair was actually a TARDIS all along...
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The idea of an incarnation of the Doctor whose connection to the normal regeneration sequence was severed somehow is cool so the Fugitive Doctor can stay
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Mameluke posted:The idea of an incarnation of the Doctor whose connection to the normal regeneration sequence was severed somehow is cool so the Fugitive Doctor can stay The way it worked is during one of the regenerations, the Doctor regenerated into two Doctors. That's what happens when Time Lords are cut in half. There, now I've fixed all of the continuity problems.
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Yannick_B posted:I love the silly boogeyman stuff people project onto Disney. It's a massive corporation that did so much stuff, you can just pretend they'll do the most exaggerated worst-case scenario and think you've predicted something sensible. I think people don't know that the entirety of Miramax/Dimension's output in the 90s-00s were Disney owned.
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Yannick_B posted:I love the silly boogeyman stuff people project onto Disney. It's a massive corporation that did so much stuff, you can just pretend they'll do the most exaggerated worst-case scenario and think you've predicted something sensible. brain of a dog
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Rochallor posted:Even if Disney doesn't officially have a hand in writing the show, them holding the purse strings means that they have an implicit voice in any creative decisions. A Black companion? Well, isn't the Doctor already Black, how about some diversity? Hmm, I don't know if people are going to tune in with this many trans characters running around... People who say this sort of thing in America already hate Disney and are usually their critics, for what it's worth. Disney's latest political fracas upsetting bigots comes because it's adult fans and employees are overwhelmingly anti-bigot or minorities themselves. The criticism Disney typically gets from secularists in America (not going to say 'the left' because that's a trap) is that it wants China's money badly enough to hedge prideful diversity into places that can easy be edited out of CN distribution. That need for every picture to fly in Beijing also means anything that goes against Xi's cultural agenda can't ever actually be the focus of a picture, just a footnote that can be removed with a fast cut. That said, this doesn't apply to TV so much, what with Disney promoting Love, Victor and moving it in under their branding once they realized the fans were louder than the bigots. Craptacular! fucked around with this message at 17:28 on Oct 28, 2022 |
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All you need to say is "large company bad" and that just about covers it. I'd rather Disney didn't get their mitts on another beloved property, but eventually everything will be owned by a handful of companies anyway so what can ya do.
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Crosspeice posted:All you need to say is "large company bad" and that just about covers it. I'd rather Disney didn't get their mitts on another beloved property, but eventually everything will be owned by a handful of companies anyway so what can ya do. Sure, but they're not getting "their mitts" on it, they're distributing it. Bad Wolf are the ones actually with their mitts on it, they're the ones making the show. Like, I'm in Canada and watching The Bear through Disney +. Disney owns FOX, but what did they have to do with anything regarding the content of the show or anything else FX produces? Pretty unlikely. And it's not even that I'm pro-Disney or anything like that, but unless we have actual reporting that says "Bob Chapek wants David Tennant to be the full-time Doctor", hand-wringing about "Disney" is silly.
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Craptacular! posted:That said, this doesn't apply to TV so much, what with Disney promoting Love, Victor and moving it in under their branding once they realized the fans were louder than the bigots. Notably after pushing it off to Hulu in the first place. For... reasons. To talk more about this issue generally: Disney has demonstrated an internal culture of homophobia as recently as this year, despite making claims for inclusivity and diversity and blah blah blah. They've cancelled shows for being too gay, they donated a bunch of money to anti-queer political campaigns, engaged an internal culture of queer censorship etc. etc. That they're constantly making milquetoast gestures towards progressivism just makes them look like hypocrites. Though this is probably obvious, it's worth repeating that the company doesn't have a morality beyond the desires of capital; if they're doing good, it's only because the money is there. Which extends to their creative side, which is clearly interfering and boardroom driven. So many of their productions are shot in bland, generic ways that allow for easy and extensive reshoots. These reshoots typically result in ugly, hacked together messes. Frequently they'll end up kludging together scenes based around actors who were never on set with each other in the first place. They're also anti-worker, even in high profile roles, e.g. ripping off Scarlett Johannsen over Black Widow and claiming she should appreciate "the exposure" they provided her with. Plus there's the drive towards IP over actors, digital fakes over actors, the way they treat their SFX houses... And that's before you get to the really creepy poo poo that is Disney Storyliving. They're not going to be involved in the production of Who at this time, but you can see why someone would be concerned if they were to be. Beyond which, privatisation sucks.
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Open Source Idiom posted:Notably after pushing it off to Hulu in the first place. For... reasons. Thing is, they've done that sort of thing forever. Worries about backwater churches and "our values" is why Nightmare Before Christmas was released as a Touchstone film, but now it's all over the parks every year. To steal an idea from Dril, they basically turn a big knob labelled 'tolerance' up an down while looking to the audience for approval like a contestant on The Price is Right. I think that’s what I get out of it, it would be neat to see a Who theme park experience. It would work far better for Epcot’s UK pavilion than the Mary Poppins thing that was silently cancelled. Craptacular! fucked around with this message at 18:36 on Oct 28, 2022 |
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Craptacular! posted:Thing is, they've done that sort of thing forever. Worries about backwater churches and "our values" is why Nightmare Before Christmas was released as a Touchstone film, but now it's all over the parks every year. Yeah, I find it cowardly and detestable. They have no ideology beyond greed, so they're ultimately never capable of being progressive. And yet they claim to be.
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SiKboy posted:Just like once a series, once every other series maybe, everything looks hopeless, theres no way the Doctor can win this one when suddenly... Bah Gawd! Thats Jo Martins music! The Master gloating over the Doctor, then they get swung round, and the Fugitive Doctor nails them with a Rainmaker and does the Okada pose.
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Open Source Idiom posted:They're not going to be involved in the production of Who at this time, but you can see why someone would be concerned if they were to be. I'm already concerned on that principle with Bad Wolf Productions. I want more, and better, Doctor Who, and the BBC is getting systematically destroyed by members of a political party so inept they can't come up with viable Prime Ministers (though I am in America and things are even worse here in that regard), and I trust the people running Bad Wolf. But they are a private company. The people I trust there don't always have to be there. On the other hand, BBC management of the show over the decades hasn't always been exemplary. In particular, the BBC production's record when it comes to race generally, and yellowface specifically, is pretty objectionable. And some of the best years of the classic series have an almost complete absence of women in their stories, without necessity. But recognize as well that, say, director Pennant Roberts always switched a part in the scripts he directed to cast a woman. It's easy to think that giving creative control to a corporation means the day is lost, but as the Doctor themselves demonstrates, people can still make a difference. In short, especially as the distribution deal is already set, let's see how things go before concluding that everything has been spoiled. And let's recognize that the bigger threat isn't Disney demanding gay erasure in the series, but Disney demanding that Big Finish's license isn't renewed, or Disney cracking down on Who fans, or otherwise attempting to seize greater control in those areas.
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