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Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

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And here we are again. After about two months of new Doctor Who to talk about, we're in another year with only two new episodes to look forward to. We say goodbye to Whittaker's run as the Doctor and good riddance to Chibnall as show-runner. Here are some stats!

Davies (first run): 60 episodes produced over five years (I'm counting the End of Time (Part 2) with 2009 for argument's sake)
Moffat: 84 episodes produced over eight years
Chibnall: 31 episodes produced over five years

Make of that as you will. Whittaker's final two episodes will debut at unspecified times this year, but I'd bet they debut around the weekend of April 17th (for Easter weekend) and around October 18th (for the BBC Centenary). After that, RTD takes over again. Will it be acceptable? Who will portray the Fourteenth Doctor? Will we get a decent-sized number of episodes per season again? Only time will tell, as it always does. As per usual, I must inform you that Doctor Who is not going away any time soon, as foreign sales of future seasons obligate more of the show to be made.

The previous thread can be found here. Now, the formalities.

NO SPOILERS gently caress it, I don't know what we do about spoilers now
We have a designated spoiler thread, but under Chibnall the amount of spoilers have dried like the lake in that one episode. Use your best judgement. Episode titles can be spoiler-y, so use discretion when discussing episodes yet to air. For example, 'Hide' doesn't spoil anything, but 'OH poo poo IT'S THE DALEKS' does.

With that being said, as soon as HRH the K is able to watch it, it is no longer a spoiler. That means anyone not watching on BBC One should leave the thread and not return until they've watched the most recent episode - that is, unless you don't care about the Earth-shattering, canon-defying, poor-choiceingest developments!

WHERE DO I START?
The Woman Who Fell to Earth is a good starting point, as the current Doctor makes her first starring appearance there alongside one of her current companions. This is not to discount Doctors 9-12, but so far their stories have not made a major point in the tenure of Whittaker's Doctor. If you want to watch the original series, there are plenty of places to start. You COULD start with An Unearthly Child and watch everything in chronological order. You could also watch individual serials of all the Doctors and determine which you like the best. Keep in mind, don't shotgun a whole Hartnell or Troughton in one go, or else you'll get complacent. Those 60's episodes are meant to be seen one at a time, and if you only just rented the DVD, wait a few hours between episodes.

The most popular serials for the original series you can jump into are:

First Doctor: An Unearthly Child, The Aztecs
Second Doctor: The Tomb of the Cybermen, The Enemy of the World
Third Doctor: Spearhead from Space, Carnival of Monsters
Fourth Doctor: Pyramids of Mars, The Robots of Death
Fifth Doctor: Kinda, Frontios
Sixth Doctor: Vengeance on Varos, Revelation of the Daleks
Seventh Doctor: Dragonfire, Remembrance of the Daleks

WHERE CAN I WATCH DOCTOR WHO?
BritBox is the place to watch almost every episode of the original series. In addition, you're in luck if you're an American, as you can watch the original run of Doctor Who on honest-to-goodness TV (Retro TV and some PBS stations)!

For the current run:

ON TELEVISION
UK - BBC One (first run), W
USA - BBC America (first run), most PBS stations
Canada - CTV Sci-Fi Channel
Australia - ABC TV Plus (first run), ABC ME

STREAMING
UK - BBC iPlayer, Virgin TV Go
USA - AMC+ (until six months after airing), HBO Max (six months after initial airing)
Canada - Crave
Australia - ABC iView, Stan, BritBox

SHOULD I BUY THE DVDs AND BLU-RAYs?
Just for the bonus features alone.

THE ALL-NEW GUIDE TO BIG FINISH
There are literally THOUSANDS of Doctor Who and Doctor Who-related audio dramas released by Big Finish Productions. In previous threads, I would pour over all the individual lines and describe them. With the great restructure of Big Finish lines, though, I have to adapt. So, here are some bullet points:

-Doctors 1-12 have their own individual lines now, although obviously the first three Doctors are not played by Hartnell, Troughton, and Pertwee. Here's a handy guide: if it's current series Doctor Who, "Adventures" means it's the actual actors, while "Chronicles" means it's not.
-The Companion Chronicles & the Early Adventures generally do not feature the Doctor, and some of them are essentially audiobooks with sound effects. Check the cast list if you want to know which is which.
-If you have ever asked "what about <random character x>?", boy are you in luck! There are so many spin-offs featuring characters both familiar and unfamiliar that you can't swing a dead cat without hitting a series that makes you say "THEY got a series?" Some are good, some are bad, most are unremarkable.
-Everyone has a taste, so don't rely on other people's opinions. For example, I don't care for or about Charlotte Pollard and her spin-off, but some people do! Some crazy people enjoy the story Nekromanteia - you do you!

THE DISCORD
Here it is. The future is now!

FINALLY, let's take a look back....all the way to ten years ago! People were talking about how often the modern-day Dalek shouts "Exterminate!", so...

marktheando posted:

Here's supposedly every single exterminate from the classic series.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQLbwOGT8eM

BUT!

YouTube commentator "JMWAlphaZero" posted:

you haven't technically done all "exterminates" you missed the civil dalek battle from revelation, and when the dalek supreme recognised the doctor's calling card in remembrance, check and mate! =]

Edward Mass fucked around with this message at 02:13 on Oct 23, 2022

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Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

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For the 60th anniversary special, I'd suggest doing a story akin to the book the Eight Doctors. The 14th Doctor runs into previous generations of selves one at a time, as opposed to all at once.

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

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Khanstant posted:

I know they would never do it for so many reasons, but I think if anyone could pull off Jesus as a companion or character and tell a heartwarming secular and humane story without being it evangelizing christianity, it'd be DW.

I mean, isn't that what they did in that one episode of Red Dwarf? Although it wasn't Jesus Christ, just a regular guy who happened to also be named Jesus.

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

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Don't forget Rusty the Dalek, even if that was only two episodes.

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

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I've always had an idea for an avatar involving Tegan Jovanka and Sara Kingdom, but I can't flesh it out.

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

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Rhyno posted:

Donna. Best companion deserves to come back.

The End of Time says ‘hi’.

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

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Prole posted:

Just realised I still haven't watched the New Year special. Might have to rectify that later.

It's very good, easily the best of Chibnall-written episode.

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

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OldMemes posted:

Apparently the Pip and Jane Baker estate is really protective of the character for some reason, which is why Big Finish have used her so sparingly. Otherwise I'm sure we'd have had 'The Rani: TIME WAR' or something like that by now.

Remember when the default fan reaction was to assume a new mysterious reoccurring character was going to turn out to be The Rani?

I remember when the Sarah Jane Adventures introduced a character NAMED Rani and it was not, in fact, The Rani.

vvvvv 0wned

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

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Doctor VTube would be a perfect mix of toxicity.

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

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Kerblam! is also the dumbest name for an episode of Doctor Who, in my opinion.

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

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I've started watching the re-con of the Massacre of St. Bartholomew's Eve and boy howdy does this story need visuals to work.

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

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Khanstant posted:

if you didn't link that in this context, never would've guessed any of those were Who related from the cover art alone.

also lol


Terry Gilliam going back to artwork, I see.

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

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Rhyno posted:

I keep getting stories in my news feeds that we might actually be getting a full Lego Doctor Who game. That's everything I want in the world.

I know a certain Doctor Who podcast host who would be happy!

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

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I never liked the secondary control room. There, I said it.

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

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“What’s a good musical cue for someone getting sucked out an airlock? I know, a xylophone trill!”

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

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I'm not going to read the article, but it had better say that Metacrisis 10 turns into the Valeyard.

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

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Jerusalem posted:

Well when I'M the showrunner I'm going to ignore every single thing that has been actually established in the show in order to write the explanation I want! :colbert:

OK, Chibnall.

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

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We're WAY too early for the 60th anniversary special to be filmed, unless it's three hours long with loads of CGI.

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

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The Fourteenth Doctor will be played by a fish, I guess.

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

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Khanstant posted:

You know who I haven't seen in anything in a while and who could be the next Doctor: Lucy Liu

However, could an American Doctor ever happen or did we burn that bridge in the revolutionary war?

An IRISH Doctor will never happen, let alone an American Doctor.

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

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Indeed. After Easter, we’ve only got one episode with 13 left.

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

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It’s clearly 12 accidentally saving Davros as a boy.

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

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I only recently watched the first Cushing film, and comparing it with the Daleks is a stark reminder at how big a film budget is compared to TV.

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

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I'd bet that RTD is going to do something with Omega for the 60th anniversary.

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

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Hey!

New Doctor Who in exactly 13 hours!

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

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Well....OK then. Just one more Chibnall episode.

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

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The Doctor, as a Time Lord/Lady, should not have romantic relationships with humans. That’s icky.

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

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River Song is Time Lord-ish, so that’s not too big a problem.

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

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Not to mention that Whittaker started to play the Doctor in 2017, even if only for the last minute of Twice Upon a Time.

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

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It's me, I'm the 14th Doctor.

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

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Khanstant posted:

I really don't want another boy doctor

Matt Smith was 9 years ago.

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

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That’s something missing from 13, a sense of age beyond years. Beyond off-hand comments, you don’t get a sense this Doctor has lived through anything like a Time War.

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

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As expected, it was someone I did not know.

Now I’m older than the Doctor :negative:

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

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Senor Tron posted:

Would work well for a Cybermen in the far far future of a decaying universe. Determined to survive as long as possible so conserving all their energy beyond what is needed to deal with threats or acquire resources that could extend their survival time.

You've essentially described the Toclafane.

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

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Khanstant posted:

My idea for new Cyberman episode: Opening shot of a computer with an AOL chat window *door opening noise* *badalump* text appears in the chat: a/s/l?

(yes I know someone on your friend list wouldn't be asking asl at that point, but that's the kind of missed detail I think is necessary for TV)

They're Cybermen, not Cyber-men.

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

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Big Mean Jerk posted:

Could be funny to see a special where the Doctor keeps “de/regenerating” into random incarnations as they’re trying to solve whatever crisis is happening.

If I were RTD (and, despite my appearance, I'm not), I'd take inspiration from the EDA The Eight Doctors, in which the Eighth Doctor helps out 1-7 in varying ways.

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

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Yeah, I don’t give a poo poo about how Gatwa plays the Doctor, just make the show interesting, for Christ’s sake.

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

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FINALLY, the Doctor will explain how the events of Timelash happened!

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

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That's really the problem with the Timeless Child concept - it takes up almost the entirety of Whittaker's run as Doctor.

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Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

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I could buy a Season 2, Part 1 Blu-ray set covering Planet of Giants to The Web Planet, given there are no recons needed to be made.

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