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Shinjobi
Jul 10, 2008


Gravy Boat 2k
I wish every match were sponsored by the Like A Dragon franchise


Every. Single. One.

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Cthulu Carl
Apr 16, 2006

Shinjobi posted:

I wish every match were sponsored by the Like A Dragon franchise


Every. Single. One.

gently caress it, do the whole promotion.

Like a Dragon Wrestling.

Gavok
Oct 10, 2005

Brock! Oh, man, I'm sorry about your...

...tooth?


Even dumber than the Texas Chainsaw Massacre match or the Rick and Morty thing was when AEW was sponsored by Shazam: Fury of the Gods.

AEW had the All-Atlantic Championship, which at the time was meant to be for foreign wrestlers to defend in other countries. Worked great for Pac, but then Orange Cassidy won it. Between the title being a mouthful and it no longer being about defending it in other countries, they did a segment where thanks to Shazam: Fury of the Gods, the title belt was magically transformed into the International Championship.

On The Internet
Jun 27, 2023

Gavok posted:

Even dumber than the Texas Chainsaw Massacre match or the Rick and Morty thing was when AEW was sponsored by Shazam: Fury of the Gods.

AEW had the All-Atlantic Championship, which at the time was meant to be for foreign wrestlers to defend in other countries. Worked great for Pac, but then Orange Cassidy won it. Between the title being a mouthful and it no longer being about defending it in other countries, they did a segment where thanks to Shazam: Fury of the Gods, the title belt was magically transformed into the International Championship.

We call that "cinema" around here

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

Cornwind Evil posted:

They WERE cops, but their idiot captain literally shot them down when they again literally had missiles locked onto a villain that they were trying to bring down, because HE wanted the glory of it, and then they crashed into some expensive building, and the captain failed to catch the bad guy, and he blamed them for both the bad guy getting away and the building getting destroyed which happened because he shot them down, and fired them and put them on the hook for repairs for the building, banishing them to work at the city's junkyard with garnished wages more or less for the rest of their lives. But they were such great mechanics that they built their own crime fighting plane and gear out of all the junk discarded at the dump and basically went back to their original job, except now they're not being paid and the police are actively trying to stop them from dealing with the city wrecking threats.

Plus, you know, it's a cartoon about anthropomorphized cats fighting giant monsters in a superplane, I think you're allowed to pretend this could be a world of better morals and that maybe not ACCAB. That's not a typo, BTW.

Also they fight evil wizards and robot cat Bonnie and Clyde and giant monsters and evil counterparts of themselves, and there was a planned two parter where evil humans invade the cat city. And most problems are solved with explosions and kickass music.

Gavok
Oct 10, 2005

Brock! Oh, man, I'm sorry about your...

...tooth?


For the wrestling subforum, I wrote a more updated primer on AEW. It's a lot and I'm very tired.

Megamissen
Jul 19, 2022

any post can be a kannapost
if you want it to be

Gavok posted:

For the wrestling subforum, I wrote a more updated primer on AEW. It's a lot and I'm very tired.

is the roster section supposed to be full or just a highlight?

Gavok
Oct 10, 2005

Brock! Oh, man, I'm sorry about your...

...tooth?


Megamissen posted:

is the roster section supposed to be full or just a highlight?

About 70-80%. There are people like Matt Sydal and Tony Nese who I just had nothing to say about.

Megamissen
Jul 19, 2022

any post can be a kannapost
if you want it to be

Gavok posted:

About 70-80%. There are people like Matt Sydal and Tony Nese who I just had nothing to say about.

you should add sakazaki to the womens list imo

Bonzo
Mar 11, 2004

Just like Mama used to make it!
https://frontofficesports.com/wwe-nick-khan-brad-blum-vince-mcmahon-sex-trafficking-suit/

16-bit Butt-Head
Dec 25, 2014
lol he's going to take the whole company with him

BOOTY-ADE
Aug 30, 2006

BIG KOOL TELLIN' Y'ALL TO KEEP IT TIGHT

Gavok posted:

About ten years ago, WWE had a weekly YouTube series called Are You Serious? which was wrestling MST3K with Josh Matthews, Road Dogg, and a puppet version of Triple H. A lot of it was based on bashing WCW, though well-deserved.

Anyway, my favorite bit was when they were watching an old WWF segment about the home life of Dr. David Schultz. Schultz is only really remembered for committing career suicide on TV when a reporter asked him if wrestling was fake and he slapped the poo poo out of him and asked, "Does that feel fake to you?!"

So while watching the segment, Josh asks, "Who's this guy?"

"That's Dr. David Schultz."

"Oh. What's he known for?"

"......I'll tell you later."

Stossel deserved it :colbert:

Cthulu Carl
Apr 16, 2006

16-bit Butt-Head posted:

lol he's going to take the whole company with him

Riding around WWE HQ like Theoden riding around an oliphaunt, yelling "Bring it down! Bring it down!"

bagmonkey
May 13, 2003




Grimey Drawer

BOOTY-ADE posted:

Stossel deserved it :colbert:

that's actually how i felt after watching the dark side of wrestling episode. Stossel is an inflammatory idiot who's often wrong and should be punched regularly

Cornwind Evil
Dec 14, 2004


The undisputed world champion of wrestling effortposting

16-bit Butt-Head posted:

lol he's going to take the whole company with him

You can't get away with this sort of stuff without everyone around you being complicit. For centuries that didn't matter, because the whole system was made to serve the likes of the McMahons. But eventually societies can and do change (if only because of how information gathering and spreading has exploded the last 50 years, for better or for worse), and quite frankly, McMahon is definitely one of the people who deserves being left holding the bag when 'the rules got changed' before the hammer comes down. And while I sadly note that bringing down the company will do harm to hundreds of people who had no power or ability to change or bring to light what McMahon and his ilk did, maybe it's just a case of the diabetes means you have to have your feet amputated.

BOOTY-ADE posted:

Stossel deserved it :colbert:

Assholes don't 'deserve' to be assaulted, no matter how much of an rear end in a top hat they are. It's enraging, but true. Besides, it sure as hell didn't provide anything positive. Schultz got set up and blackballed, Stossel sure as poo poo didn't learn anything and went on to have an acclaimed by some definitions career while turning into yet another libertarian piece of poo poo, and much like 'Aquaman is lame', it did nothing to change the 'wrestling is fake' bedrock belief of the 'general masses'.

(The likes of Richard Spencer don't count, they transcend being an rear end in a top hat by being willing members of a political party that committed genocide.)

Cornwind Evil fucked around with this message at 18:50 on Mar 12, 2024

Pope Corky the IX
Dec 18, 2006

What are you looking at?
I love that Stossel was all "lawsuits are bad" only after getting half a million through a settlement.

16-bit Butt-Head
Dec 25, 2014
the media is obsessed with proving wrestling is fake even now when everyone knows its fake

Elephant Ambush
Nov 13, 2012

...We sholde spenden more time together. What sayest thou?
Nap Ghost
Punching (or slapping) Nazis is good and it doesn't matter who does it

wizard2
Apr 4, 2022

16-bit Butt-Head posted:

the media is obsessed with proving wrestling is fake even now when everyone knows its fake

oh, it's real

Monica Bellucci
Dec 14, 2022
Probation
Can't post for 16 hours!

wizard2 posted:

oh, it's real

Wrassling is realer than the American Republican political party.

Not the highest of bars, I grant you.

Animal-Mother
Feb 14, 2012

RABBIT RABBIT
RABBIT RABBIT

Elephant Ambush posted:

Punching (or slapping) Nazis is good and it doesn't matter who does it

Stossel sounds like a Nazi name to me.

Dango Bango
Jul 26, 2007

Cornwind Evil posted:

Assholes don't 'deserve' to be assaulted, no matter how much of an rear end in a top hat they are.

Nah. gently caress around = find out. Some people just need to learn that lesson a harder way.

16-bit Butt-Head
Dec 25, 2014
walking up to a very large man on steroids and telling him he's fake and i am shocked he slapped the poo poo out of me

16-bit Butt-Head
Dec 25, 2014
it was pretty stupid to do but thats wrestlign baby

Cthulu Carl
Apr 16, 2006

Hulk Hogan once put Richard Belzer on a sleeper hold until Belzer passed out, fell, and cracked his head on the floor. On live television.

Belzer sued, and used the settlement money to buy a house in France he named Chex Hogan. He also got to gently caress over his lawyers who tried to take half the money as fees.

Animal-Mother
Feb 14, 2012

RABBIT RABBIT
RABBIT RABBIT
Mr. T said "He's okay, he's just sleeping."

Hyrax Attack!
Jan 13, 2009

We demand to be taken seriously

16-bit Butt-Head posted:

walking up to a very large man on steroids and telling him he's fake and i am shocked he slapped the poo poo out of me

Wonder if they get training on that nowadays. I remember a random woman jumping the railing to hug Mr. rear end as he walked in & he instantly broke character to raise his hands & go “no no not touching this person” until security swarmed her.

Seth Pecksniff
May 27, 2004

can't believe shrek is fucking dead. rip to a real one.

Hyrax Attack! posted:

Wonder if they get training on that nowadays. I remember a random woman jumping the railing to hug Mr. rear end as he walked in & he instantly broke character to raise his hands & go “no no not touching this person” until security swarmed her.

It's probably a huge liability issue too

I remember years ago, idk who was wrestling but they went into the audience and this dude dressed in white came out of nowhere and started beating one of the wrestlers with a shoe. I think it was JR who was like "uh, not sure what's happening here" before security took the guy out

16-bit Butt-Head
Dec 25, 2014
you might get the poo poo beat out of you if you run into a wrestling ring and attack the big scary men or you might be escorted out by security

16-bit Butt-Head
Dec 25, 2014
terry funk was taught to tear the pants off people trying to get into the ring which usually stopped them

Cornwind Evil
Dec 14, 2004


The undisputed world champion of wrestling effortposting
I recall a story, I forget the participants, it was probably Cornette and one of his heel teams in some place in America where kayfabe reigned supreme and the local wrestler slash hero decided to put on a show of being beaten and abused in a tag match that made the crowd so bloodthirstily hostile that apparently when the face local hero was making his comeback, people from the crowd repeatedly jumped in the ring to help him, and the heels, even though they lost, had to do one of the worser 'literally fight our way out through a mob who have gotten SO absorbed in the show and so twinned to mob mentality in the process that they literally want to murder us for what is a big show of pretend' incidents I can recall.

It's one of the main reasons why, to me, Cornette really comes off as GET OFF MY LAWN old man hates change is too close to see the truth and how badly it undermines the valid points he can make. That sort of thing should be considered lost and gone and bad all around, like smoking and using heroin for medicine, not looked at with nostalgia as 'they just can't get that kind of passion these days'.

(See also: Ric Flair recounting in his first book how he was wrestling in some South American country and he had Roddy Piper with him serving as his heel partner, and when Piper tripped the local face hero the military in the front row literally took out their guns and aimed to shoot at Piper. Flair was so scared he pulled the local hero onto himself, forced a pin, and he and Piper ran for their lives. This is one of his 'phantom title losses' that didn't end up getting counted until later.)

16-bit Butt-Head
Dec 25, 2014
jim's brain has been poisoned by wrestling in a very impressive manner

16-bit Butt-Head
Dec 25, 2014
one of the things about corny and heels is he was confused why there would action figures of heel wrestlers when you're supposed to hate them and that he would also edit signs cheering on heels in OVW tapings because you arent supposed to cheer the heels

AlmightyBob
Sep 8, 2003

Larry Zbyszko got stabbed because fans hated him for turning on Bruno Sammartino

Cornwind Evil
Dec 14, 2004


The undisputed world champion of wrestling effortposting
Freddy Blassie recounted "I got stabbed, I had acid thrown on me, I had a brand new car, they torched it...because they loved me!" and he laughed. The worst part is, he was TECHNICALLY correct...but in this case it sure wasn't the best part of correct.

And sure, he could laugh now/then as an old man, but again, these people really didn't grasp that many times, they were one bit of bad luck away from getting murdered because idiots couldn't tell the difference between fantasy and reality. Then AGAIN, considering people like Jack Gleeson left acting, at least for a time, because he was so good at playing a POS villain that it seemed like too many people (and honestly, one is too many) conflated him the person with his character, maybe that's always going to happen.

Seriously, it's only funny when it's stories like Arnold Vosloo, back in the days when the Mummy and its sequel raised his profile a fair bit, talked about how adults didn't approach him because they didn't think he spoke English, but he laughed that kids would just walk up to him and kick him in the shin, "You were the bad mummy!", relatively harmless stuff like that.

16-bit Butt-Head posted:

one of the things about corny and heels is he was confused why there would action figures of heel wrestlers when you're supposed to hate them and that he would also edit signs cheering on heels in OVW tapings because you arent supposed to cheer the heels

Again, old man get off my lawn mindset. When he was coming up and fully immersed in the business, heels were heels and there needed to be reasons for them to turn face. I think the idea of audiences essentially going "If you do your job well as a heel, eventually we will cheer for you because you're a winner and effective and you'll become a face by default" was a thing that started cropping up in the 80's and beyond, as I can't really think of earlier examples in the 70's and further back. As far as I know, Gorgeous George never got turned face because he was so good at his gay panic gimmick, and Killer Kolowski never eventually got lauded for how many fake neck breakings he did. Contrast this to Steve Austin: look at how early in his heel days he wasn't just 'The Rattlesnake' and 'DTA', he was basically a full blown psychopath who not only (in storyline) crippled his former best friend Brian Pillman by re-breaking his badly damaged ankle, but the next week he decided to go to Pillman's house and...beat him up more? Cripple him more? Kill him? Because...he just couldn't stand the idea that Pillman wasn't as hurt as he could have been? Within weeks he was being lauded in MSG, and even if we discount that building as super smarky, within six months he was the good guy and Bret Hart was the bad guy, and in the end Austin only dialed down his behaviour one notch from how he acted as a heel.

Cornwind Evil fucked around with this message at 07:58 on Mar 14, 2024

Grendels Dad
Mar 5, 2011

Popular culture has passed you by.

16-bit Butt-Head posted:

one of the things about corny and heels is he was confused why there would action figures of heel wrestlers when you're supposed to hate them and that he would also edit signs cheering on heels in OVW tapings because you arent supposed to cheer the heels

I want Cornette to somehow get his hands on the rights to the Star Wars franchise. He'd make the shittiest movies and only license toys featuring the blandest heroes in film history.

AlmightyBob
Sep 8, 2003

Cornwind Evil posted:

Freddy Blassie recounted "I got stabbed, I had acid thrown on me, I had a brand new car, they torched it...because they loved me!" and he laughed. The worst part is, he was TECHNICALLY correct...but in this case it sure wasn't the best part of correct.

And sure, he could laugh now/then as an old man, but again, these people really didn't grasp that many times, they were one bit of bad luck away from getting murdered because idiots couldn't tell the difference between fantasy and reality. Then AGAIN, considering people like Jack Gleeson left acting, at least for a time, because he was so good at playing a POS villain that it seemed like too many people (and honestly, one is too many) conflated him the person with his character, maybe that's always going to happen.

Seriously, it's only funny when it's stories like Arnold Vosloo, back in the days when the Mummy and its sequel raised his profile a fair bit, talked about how adults didn't approach him because they didn't think he spoke English, but he laughed that kids would just walk up to him and kick him in the shin, "You were the bad mummy!", relatively harmless stuff like that.

Again, old man get off my lawn mindset. When he was coming up and fully immersed in the business, heels were heels and there needed to be reasons for them to turn face. I think the idea of audiences essentially going "If you do your job well as a heel, eventually we will cheer for you because you're a winner and effective and you'll become a face by default" was a thing that started cropping up in the 80's and beyond, as I can't really think of earlier examples in the 70's and further back. As far as I know, Gorgeous George never got turned face because he was so good at his gay panic gimmick, and Killer Kolowski never eventually got lauded for how many fake neck breakings he did. Contrast this to Steve Austin: look at how early in his heel days he wasn't just 'The Rattlesnake' and 'DTA', he was basically a full blown psychopath who not only (in storyline) crippled his former best friend Brian Pillman by re-breaking his badly damaged ankle, but the next week he decided to go to Pillman's house and...beat him up more? Cripple him more? Kill him? Because...he just couldn't stand the idea that Pillman wasn't as hurt as he could have been? Within weeks he was being lauded in MSG, and even if we discount that building as super smarky, within six months he was the good guy and Bret Hart was the bad guy, and in the end Austin only dialed down his behaviour one notch from how he acted as a heel.

lol yeah stone cold dialed it down to like cruel bully and the crowd loved him

Gavok
Oct 10, 2005

Brock! Oh, man, I'm sorry about your...

...tooth?


Cornwind Evil posted:

Again, old man get off my lawn mindset. When he was coming up and fully immersed in the business, heels were heels and there needed to be reasons for them to turn face. I think the idea of audiences essentially going "If you do your job well as a heel, eventually we will cheer for you because you're a winner and effective and you'll become a face by default" was a thing that started cropping up in the 80's and beyond, as I can't really think of earlier examples in the 70's and further back. As far as I know, Gorgeous George never got turned face because he was so good at his gay panic gimmick, and Killer Kolowski never eventually got lauded for how many fake neck breakings he did. Contrast this to Steve Austin: look at how early in his heel days he wasn't just 'The Rattlesnake' and 'DTA', he was basically a full blown psychopath who not only (in storyline) crippled his former best friend Brian Pillman by re-breaking his badly damaged ankle, but the next week he decided to go to Pillman's house and...beat him up more? Cripple him more? Kill him? Because...he just couldn't stand the idea that Pillman wasn't as hurt as he could have been? Within weeks he was being lauded in MSG, and even if we discount that building as super smarky, within six months he was the good guy and Bret Hart was the bad guy, and in the end Austin only dialed down his behaviour one notch from how he acted as a heel.

What's funny is that this exact thing is happening right now in AEW. The current top face aiming for the top title is Swerve Strickland, who is an absolute despicable human being. Months back, he was building his match with Hangman Adam Page by filming himself breaking into Page's home and cutting a sinister promo over Page's baby's crib. And now the fans are absolutely into him. He's been only vaguely apologetic about the whole thing at best.

This has in turn transformed Hangman into Frank Grimes and he's become increasingly heelish to the point that he's been written off TV for angrily beating up referees during his last match.

Bonzo
Mar 11, 2004

Just like Mama used to make it!
I always tell people to watch I'm From Hollywood https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0173920/?ref_=fn_al_tt_2

This is s documentary about Andy Kaufman's time in Memphis and just look at the faces in the crowd. I attended several events at Louisville Gardens where CWA put on a house show every Tuesday. There were times I thought the crowds would riot. I heard one guy tell his friend that he was going to go get his rifle out of his truck because the main event ended in a DQ.

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snergle
Aug 3, 2013

A kind little mouse!
i remember watching a clip of some fan rushing a ring and stone cold just drops to the mat and rolls out of the ring i assume the video was post neck injury and he was protecting himself but while the camera is focusing on steve procecting himself you can see the ref just beat the poo poo out of the fan in the background.

looked it up and i had it wrong. its the ref and hhh beating on the fan and steve was already on the mat it looks like pinning hhh when the fan rushes in

snergle fucked around with this message at 15:48 on Mar 14, 2024

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