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Animal-Mother
Feb 14, 2012

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Vince re-wrote an entire episode of Raw right before it went live because he wanted to make it a happier show because he thought the audience would be sad that George HW Bush died that day.

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Animal-Mother
Feb 14, 2012

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YeahTubaMike posted:

Jesus gently caress :stare:

Kevin Nash walked by and said, "You guys know that's felony rape, right?"

Animal-Mother
Feb 14, 2012

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Time_pants posted:

The title has changed hands in a dream at least once.

:xd:

Animal-Mother
Feb 14, 2012

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Rusev made his entrance at Wrestlemania riding atop a god damned tank.

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Feb 14, 2012

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A few years ago my brother invited me to Los Angeles to celebrate my birthday at some new brewery he had discovered in downtown LA.

To get there, we had to wander through some of the worst poverty I've ever seen in my life. Hundreds, maybe thousands of people living in tents on the street. We were taking a winding, bizarre path through the neighborhood, almost as if we were avoiding something. It was raining. I was depressed.

We arrive at the brewery and I can't help but notice there's quite a few people wearing wrestling t-shirts. Huh. Maybe this neighborhood has a lot of wrestling fans. The beer was unremarkable. After we left, we approached a building that was unmistakable to me. The Temple. The set where they film my favorite show, Lucha Underground. I was just happy to see the exterior. I knew I'd never see the show in-person. Getting tickets was nigh impossible. They were free, but you had to get really lucky and snag them the instant they were available. After I remarked to my brother that that's the place where they film the thing, I kept walking down the sidewalk. I soon noticed I was alone. I looked back and saw my brother and my girlfriend walking into the entrance to The Temple. I said, "Hey, you can't go in, you need tick..." He turned around with three tickets in his hand. "Surprise. Happy birthday."

I would've cried tears of joy if I wasn't in shock. The security guard asked to take my photo. He said he'd rarely seen anyone so happy. I think he might have been worried, like maybe he thought I'd go nuts or something. We filed into the packed hall. They had us sign stuff promising we wouldn't spoil the show online, as it wasn't going to air for several more weeks. No cell phone use, of course. And I had to get some merch, price be damned. Chavo Guerrero was there, busy setting up some kind of angle with special guests going into the locker room. His biceps were the size of watermelons. Retired wrestlers are either in wheelchairs or jacked to the gills.

This was the fourth and final season of Lucha Underground, (only wrestling show done in a seasonal format that I'm aware of) so this actually took place in the New Temple, set in the old Union Central Cold Storage, a giant ice warehouse. The original Temple had to be vacated due to supernatural phenomena beyond the control of Lucha Underground's owner and promoter, Dario Cueto, played by the excellent actor Luis Fernandez-Gil. This season was presided over by Dario's father, Papa Cueto, played by the excellent actor Luis Fernandez-Gil in a wig.

As the taping started, ring announcer Melissa Santos warned us that by attending, we had agreed that we might come into contact with... bodily fluids! Most of the crowd were locals and regulars, they knew the routine. The chants of "BODILY FLUIDS" began on cue. You see, during a previous season of the show, Sexy Star and Mariposa concluded their feud in a "No Mas!" match, wherein the only way to win is to make your opponent say, "No mas!" Part way through the match, they had climbed up into the rafters directly above the audience. I can't remember if it was one or both of them bleeding profusely from the head, but blood did come down like rain upon The Believers, LU's term for their fans. Instead of ducking for cover like sane, normal people, The Believers felt blessed to be included in the crimson ritual. To say that LU's fandom had become cult-like would not be an exaggeration. It might even just be perfectly apt. In the very beginning, the producers had set up the hometown hero, Prince Puma, to be the running protagonist of the show. And they loved Puma, no doubt, but he didn't quite bring the violence the way they wanted it. By season four, Puma was Carl Winslow status. His Urkel? A man called Pentagon Junior.

You see, back in the day in Mexico, there was a good guy luchador named Octagon. He needed a geometric foil, so Pentagon was invented. Pentagon got old and fat and passed the mantle to his "son," Pentagon Jr. The young shape had, as I understand it, an unremarkable career in Mexico before coming to the US to film the first season of LU. It had been decided by the veteran wrestlers working on the writing side of things that they were going to "make" this kid. It is rumored that they asked Alberto El Patron, who was coming off a rollercoaster ride of a WWE run as Alberto Del Rio, to put Pentagon Jr. over, to lose to him in dramatic fashion, hoping to pass some of Alberto's fame (or infamy perhaps, these days) onto the younger performer. It is rumored that he refused, saying that he only wanted to work with people at least as famous as himself. He spent season one in a feud with another former WWE guy, Johnny Mundo, the renamed John Morrison. It was meh compared to Pentagon's character arc. Absolute meh.

After each of his matches, Pentagon would break his opponent's arm. These were sacrifices... to his dark master. He vowed to keep making them until the master appeared. Why? "Because I am Pentagon Junior... the fearless one!" It sounds a lot cooler in Spanish. "El Cero..... MIEDO!" Eventually, the roster was running out of arms to break. Vampiro, retired wrestler and color commentator, confronted Penta about his bad behavior. Penta didn't give a gently caress. He threatened to pour gasoline on Vampiro and light him on fire unless Vampiro agreed to come out of retirement, have a match, and risk being the next sacrifice.

Stone Cold Steve Austin said this was his favorite match of the year.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDR6tOXzt6Q

I won't spoil it. The dark master finally made his appearance. Pentagon spent season two learning the ways of darkness. The crowd loving loved it. The more violent he got, the stronger his cult grew. I don't think the producers had a choice, they had to put the championship on Pentagon. He was the protagonist now. So anyway, back to the taping I attended:

The entire show was loving lit. The crowd was hot for everything. Just when I thought we couldn't possibly scream our lungs out any harder, the man makes his entrance. I think Pentagon could have literally killed somebody in the ring and we would have cheered. When he arrived, the whole thing went from 10 to incalculable. It was insane.

Lucha Underground got cancelled after that season. poo poo, the network it was on ceased to exist. But in many ways, I think that show is what started the current wrestling renaissance. New faces, new ideas. Those "cinematic" matches people started doing a couple years ago? Ripped off from LU's style. The primary conceit in a wrestling show is that it's a live broadcast of a sporting event, with the performers acknowledging the existence of the camera, staring straight into it, addressing the audience. LU decided all their backstage segments would be shot like grindhouse films. As a result, the television audience is aware of story progression outside of the ring that the live audience is not. Business meetings in El Jefe's office. Nunchucks battles in the locker room. That... thing... that Dario keeps locked in the basement.

Lucha Underground is dead, but it passed on its DNA to the rest of the industry. Pentagon is kicking rear end in AEW. Prince Puma, well, I hope he's getting paid decently in WWE. It's rumored that Dario Cueto is still out there, providing unique opportunities to fighters willing to make deals with that devil.

Animal-Mother
Feb 14, 2012

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The Rock was pinned by a forklift once.

Animal-Mother
Feb 14, 2012

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In that moment, despite losing his wrestling career over it, Dr. D became the patron saint of wrestlers.

Animal-Mother
Feb 14, 2012

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Leg Sex Press

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Feb 14, 2012

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At some point in the late 90's, someone informed Vince McMahon of the idea of "rear end men," men who prefer a nice rear end over nice titties. Judging by the women Vince preferred to hire and showcase, I think it's safe to say the concept was alien to him. Perhaps sensing opportunity to expand into a new niche in the market, Vince decided a wrestler should be "The rear end Man." The network had a problem with this, on a technicality. They were okay with Steve Austin saying he would whup rear end, they were okay with the Rock saying he would shove things straight up candy asses, but they would not allow a character to be named The rear end Man. Something legalistic about profanity in the credits, I don't know. I would imagine Vince thought something along the lines of, "That's ridiculous. Some guys are named Dick, what's the problem? Hey, wait a minute..."

And thus, Mr. rear end was born. It's not profanity, you see, it's his last name. Just like some people have the last name Cox, or Balls, or Porn.

Evidently, the network did not take issue with his entrance music lyrics declaring that he is, indeed, an rear end man.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGye1pK2ysQ

Animal-Mother
Feb 14, 2012

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Ghost Leviathan posted:

He is totally real, and appeared on an episode of Dexter's Lab, as a shockingly close homage to a Marvel comics story.

Actually I wouldn't be surprised if the Greeks had a god of wrestling. Possibly Heracles.

JBL claimed to be a wrestling god, but not necessarily the wrestling god.

Animal-Mother
Feb 14, 2012

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Archer666 posted:

It was X8 and despite nothing really happening in that entire match, the entire crowd was losing their poo poo non-stop from start to finish. It's such a fascinating match too, as the crowd was behind Hogan all the way (who was booked as the bad guy and was meant to be defeated) so him and Rock basically had to re-write the match on the fly. According to either Rock or Hogan, if they stuck to the original script, the fans would have killed them lol

Add that to the extremely lengthy list of lies from Hulk Hogan. They knew he was going to get cheered.

Animal-Mother
Feb 14, 2012

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Lol if Triple H had a heart attack because he finally found out that many years ago, Vince made a deal with the Samoan wrestling mafia that if he ever sold the company, he had to be preferential to them, and right now the only Samoan who could make that deal happen is the guy who was accepted as a mega babyface by the fans, made into a bigger star than wrestling, couldn't be held down by The Clique, hates H's best friend, Dwayne The Rock Johnson.

He already bought the XFL from Vince.

Animal-Mother
Feb 14, 2012

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Shumagorath posted:

Who's Triple H's alleged best friend and how did that start?

Shawn Michaels. He disrespected Rock's mom when he was working for her at some point.

Animal-Mother
Feb 14, 2012

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YOU GONNA SUCK MY DICK OR WHAT?

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Gavok posted:

Big T feuded with Booker T over the rights to Harlem Heat and the right to have the letter T in your name.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJnX9uZm9FY

Animal-Mother
Feb 14, 2012

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Mumpy Puffinz posted:

I have no idea how Cena made it

He was baptized into the main event. :nws: :nms:


Animal-Mother
Feb 14, 2012

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16-bit Butt-Head posted:

you should never let a wrestler that is still wrestling be a booker imo

What if the wrestler books himself into retirement?

Animal-Mother
Feb 14, 2012

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The Sauce, Jim Ross would've been a really good name, what a missed opportunity, he'll never make it in the business now.

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Feb 14, 2012

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Walla posted:

The follow up really clenches it.

https://youtu.be/2jz4WaYHDVU

FRIEDMAN

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G-D

Animal-Mother
Feb 14, 2012

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Hollismason posted:

I want to hear more about backstage crazy antics and the stories behind them. This thread has been great to read.

The wrestlers once assembled a slip n' slide in a hotel hallway. There was a prostitute positioned at the end. Perry Saturn strapped a dildo to the top of his head and attempted to make history.

Animal-Mother
Feb 14, 2012

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Cornwind Evil posted:

No, that's just me.

Really though, it's like (ho boy man oh man am I making wrestling seem so much more lofty than it us) the debate that because there is suffering, there cannot be an all knowing, all powerful, all loving God, because suffering disproves each claim. If Cena is smart enough to recognize the issues, and seems like a good enough guy to actually want to fix them, then...why doesn't he? The only other option is that we've misread him completely and he really is Hulk Hogan with More Colorful Shirts. Which I suppose is just as likely. I wouldn't know unless I could have a personal talk with the man.

The Gnostic Gospel of Thuganomics contains the answers you seek.

Animal-Mother
Feb 14, 2012

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Jerry Lawler, long time commentator for WWE, is also the long time promoter of a tiny, sort of pocket universe wrestling promotion in Memphis. At some point, prior to the famous "Attitude Era," Vince McMahon dropped by to test out the heel character he'd later portray.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oI_1cW-1xZc

https://i.imgur.com/DeU0geZ.mp4

Animal-Mother
Feb 14, 2012

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16-bit Butt-Head posted:

you can't say the word belt on WWE television

At least this kind of makes sense. The old redneck wrestlers would always come out and shout, "I'M GUNNA TAKE THAT BELT OFFA YOU, BOY!" as if the actual prize of the competition was the belt itself and not the championship it represented.

Animal-Mother
Feb 14, 2012

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Goodbye, Bad Guy. :(

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Feb 14, 2012

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Gavok posted:

Lucha Underground did something like this. The show was run by Dario Cueto, a charismatic bastard and proof that you should just get trained actors to play non-wrestler roles. Throughout the first season of the show, Dario would reference and sometimes talk to some creature he kept in a cage hidden in the arena. In time it became apparent that this was his younger brother, Matanza and that he was possessed by an Aztec god. They even killed off a character by having his head shoved into Matanza's cage and Matanza eating his face off. We never got a clear shot of Matanza outside a little bit of his face/mask in the season 1 finale.

Season 1 ended with Dario on the run while another character ran Lucha Underground. Dario regrouped, lured people into being brutally murdered by Matanza as part of his training, and finally decided it was time to make his return. LU's version of the Royal Rumble is Aztec Warfare, which is a 20-person match where you can only be eliminated by pinfall and submission. The season 2 Aztec Warfare started with the debut of Rey Mysterio. By #20, there was a good chunk of names in the ring.

Then Dario showed up and announced that he was reclaiming being in charge and Matanza was entering at #21. For the first time, we got to see Matanza (played by Olympian wrestler Jeff Cobb) in action and he hosed up every single opponent single-handedly via power moves and cool acrobatic poo poo. After about a year and a half of build up, he made his debut and became this terrifying threat who won the title in his first match.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJja5iCVTYs

Animal-Mother
Feb 14, 2012

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The master (and ruler) of the world:

Animal-Mother
Feb 14, 2012

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Unearthing and translating an ancient inscription... it says, "AM I loving GOING OVER?"

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Feb 14, 2012

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BiggerBoat posted:

The way the writer(s) describe the matches reads like the outcome is almost always in doubt and that there is actually some level of skill and competition determining who wins and loses. Is that just for narrative effect or do the guys often decide in match who's going to take the loss, how, who's going to interfere, etc?

Are any of these matches really determined by moves and how much actual damage wrestlers inflict? I mean, besides obvious things like injuries. I know that a lot of times they'll whisper or signal to each other "suplex, arm bar" or whatever but I always thought that matches were like 95% a kind of choreographed dance. Is that not true?

The most succinct explanation comes from the scene near the end of Aronofsky's "The Wrestler" where our hero, Randy The Ram Robinson, asks his upcoming opponent The Ayatollah if he'd like to go over what they're going to do in their match that night. Ayatollah, played by the great Ernest "The Cat" Miller, just says, "Ramrod... you be the good guy, I'll be the bad guy."

Animal-Mother
Feb 14, 2012

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TheSwizzler posted:

Adam Driver as Bret Hart
"I just, ya know, always wanted to make some money, ya know, and get out of this, ya know, Sith stuff."

Animal-Mother
Feb 14, 2012

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FilthyImp posted:

Christian iconography

Animal-Mother
Feb 14, 2012

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They lost the F on a legal technicality, unlike Booker who lost the T in a match.

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Feb 14, 2012

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Roddy Piper knew the other meaning of WWF, but it's not very nice to repeat.

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Feb 14, 2012

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It is very easy to imagine Vince McMahon, in peak early 90's announcer voice, shouting, "LOOK AT THAT PIG'S HUGE BALLS!" :vince:

Animal-Mother
Feb 14, 2012

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Wrestling promoters think a lot like pimps. Any money their workers make is daddy's money, not theirs. Verne Gagne wanted Hulk's legs broken for daring to get paid to be in Rocky 3.

Animal-Mother
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skip to 6 minutes in if you just want to see the legendary fight between Bob Sapp and Razor Ramon, Hard Gay

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E98WgiMKauk

Animal-Mother
Feb 14, 2012

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TheSwizzler posted:

After the match, Dog went after Scott Dikinson, with Mark Madden mentioning that Scott Dinkinson's full time job is a mailman (which is true).

Was this one of those things, like the SCISSORS reference, where Russo et al assumed the fans were so deep into the dirtsheets, they were aware that a referee was also a shoot mailman?

Animal-Mother
Feb 14, 2012

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A few years back some wrestlers' private pics were leaked and showed somebody skeeting on an NXT belt, yeah.

Animal-Mother
Feb 14, 2012

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Vince managing to top himself in the worst stunner take ever category.

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Feb 14, 2012

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"Might be too close to Moon Knight, sir, we don't want to have a problem with Disney."

"LUNAR LANCELOT THEN, GOD drat IT!"

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Animal-Mother
Feb 14, 2012

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FullLeatherJacket posted:

wrestlemania 39 is going to be four old men rolling down a hill in a bathtub

El Generico and Ibushi already did it.

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