https://readsettlers.org/ I'm not sure how familiar this forum is with J. Sakai's book, but I wanted an excuse to reread it so I thought I'd start a thread. It's a pretty definitive repudiation of the idea that the present capitalist imperialist order is anything but a direct descendant of slavery, and if nothing else is a pure hit of righteous hate Amerikkka dopamine that we need now more than ever, regardless of your education level or familiarity with the evils of our empire. From the intro: quote:The imperialists even concede that their standard "U.S. history" is a white history, and is supposedly incomplete unless the long-suppressed Third-World histories are added to it. Why? Here are a few highlights (these were hard to pick as the whole book is one long eye-opener): quote:Amerika was "spacious" and "sparsely populated" only because the European invaders destroyed whole civilizations and killed off millions of Native Amerikans to get the land and profits they wanted. We all know that when the English arrived in Virginia, for example, they encountered an urban, village-dwelling society far more skilled than they in the arts of medicine, agriculture, fishing-and government.*(10) [*The first government of the new U.S.A., that of the Articles of Confederation, was totally unlike any in autocratic Europe, and had been influenced by the Government of the Six-Nation Iroquois Confederation.] This civilization was reflected in a chain of three hundred Indian nations and peoples stretched from the Arctic Circle to the tip of South America, many of whom had highly developed societies. There was, in fact, a greater population in these Indian nations in 1492 than in all of Western Europe. Recent scholarly estimates indicate that at the time of Columbus there were 100 million Indians in the Hemisphere: ten million in North America, twenty-five million in Central Mexico, with an additional sixty-five million elsewhere in Central and Southern America.(11) quote:To begin with, our criticism of the historically negative role of the settler masses here is no more pointed than Friedrich Engel's statements a century ago about the English working class. Communists have never believed that the working class was some "holy," religious object that must be enshrined away from scientific investigation. Lenin on his own part several times purposefully reminded his European comrades that the original "proletariat" - of Imperial Rome - did not work, but was supported by the surpluses of slave labor. As the lowest free class of Roman citizens, their only duty was to father new soldiers for the Roman Legions (which is why they were called "proletarii" in Latin) while they lived off government subsidies. (1) The political consciousness and material class role of the masses of any given nation cannot be assumed from historic generalizations, but must be discovered by social investigation and scientific analysis. quote:Perhaps the U.S. Empire could have led a "crusade in Europe" to defeat Nazism, but it didn't. In strict fact, German fascism was defeated by the Russian people. U.S. global strategy clearly called for stalling as long as possible in fighting Hitler, in hopes that Germany and Soviet Russia would ruin and exhaust each other. As late as April 1943, Soviet forces were fighting 185 Nazi divisions while the U.S. and British Empires were together fighting 6. The heart and muscle of the German Army, almost 250 divisions, got destroyed on the Eastern front against the Russian people. That's why the Russian military lost 6 million troops fighting Germany, while the U.S. lost 160,000.
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good quotes op, i'll consider it
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# ? Jan 31, 2022 22:14 |
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a meme that wasn't just a meme, but reality, which emerged from an offsite, has since returned to the forums. the cycle is complete.
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# ? Jan 31, 2022 22:20 |
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:a meme that wasn't just a meme, but reality, which emerged from an offsite, has since returned to the forums. the cycle is complete. https://rhizzone.net/forum/topic/14186/
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# ? Jan 31, 2022 22:28 |
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I mean, there doesn't seem to be anything wrong with the analysis.
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# ? Jan 31, 2022 22:32 |
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there's the guy on twitter whose handle is @joshuapotash (dwarf fortress reference) and then he makes his twitter name "Read Pedagogy of the Oppressed by Pablo Bablo" or "Read Big of on the Mountain Side by bell hooks" thread title reminds me of that guy
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# ? Jan 31, 2022 22:36 |
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Didn't most native Americans die from disease? Seems like something you might want to mention.
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# ? Feb 1, 2022 22:18 |
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this review of David Gilbert's Looking at the U.S. White Working Class Historically discusses Settlers at some length. imo it’s worth a read https://monthlyreview.org/2018/03/01/thinking-clearly-about-the-white-working-class/
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# ? Feb 3, 2022 03:47 |
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Bookmarking
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# ? Feb 3, 2022 03:54 |
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i guess here is a good place to recommend Divided World Divided Class by Zak Cope, which Sakai has praised as "both controversial and foundational at one and the same time" https://www.prisoncensorship.info/archive/books/Economics/DividedWorldDividedClass_ZakCope.pdf quote:Divided World Divided Class charts the history of the ‘labour aristocracy’ in the capitalist world system, from its roots in colonialism to its birth and eventual maturation into a full-fledged middle class in the age of imperialism. It argues that pervasive national, racial and cultural chauvinism in the core capitalist countries is not primarily attributable to ‘false class consciousness’, ideological indoctrination or ignorance as much left and liberal thinking assumes. Rather, these and related forms of bigotry are concentrated expressions of the major social strata of the core capitalist nations’ shared economic interest in the exploitation and repression of dependent nations.
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Weka posted:Didn't most native Americans die from disease? Seems like something you might want to mention. In the same way that Holocaust victims died from Zyklon-B exposure.
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https://twitter.com/rhizzone_txt/status/633401353327542272
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i dont read poo poo any more is this just another case of "wokely buck breaking the white proletariat because diverse workplaces don't unionize" tier grift or is this the real poo poo? edit: did enjoy that bit about engels poo poo-talking the angloids tho. what a detestable mercantile people they are.
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# ? Feb 3, 2022 04:40 |
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the DSA and Histadrut coming together to denounce union buster Thomas Sankara
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Smythe posted:Bookmarking *gets really close to you* hope you’re enjoying the thread....
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organizing labor strikes to own the commies
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Smythe posted:Bookmarking you misread; thread isn’t about Psaki bombs
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Anime Bernie Bro posted:organizing labor strikes to own the commies quote:Among those heavily subsidized, the sources said, were the organizers of a nationwide truck strike that lasted 26 days in the fall of 1972, seriously disrupting Chile's economy and provoking the first of a series of labor crises for President Allende.
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# ? Feb 3, 2022 05:08 |
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lol. unions are a CIA favorite https://www.ned.org/wp-content/them...&start=1&sbmt=1 some hits: https://nedprogramsinhk.blogspot.com/?m=1 posted:
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Anime Bernie Bro posted:i dont read poo poo any more is this just another case of "wokely buck breaking the white proletariat because diverse workplaces don't unionize" tier grift or is this the real poo poo? it's the real poo poo
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# ? Feb 3, 2022 05:19 |
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'class consciousness is the red army' - j. sakai
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# ? Feb 3, 2022 05:20 |
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quote:By putting the distinctly fascist tendency of metropolitan labour down to false class consciousness or political naivete, Western socialists pander to a reactionary constituency. Indeed, not only does Euro-socialism fail to oppose imperialism, it regularly espouses proimperialist and racist sentiments in its efforts to actively recruit the labour aristocracy to its cause. This was seen recently in the PCFs successful proposal to ban the face veil in France and the European left s vociferous support for Western intervention in Libya. Typically, the militant approach of the Euro-socialist activist echoes the anticorporate, anti-finance, anti-government, protectionist and pseudo-Marxian rhetoric of national-socialism. In both cases, since the extension of current living standards for the First World working class does not and cannot depend upon “self-sufficiency” or national productivity, monopoly capitalism must be maintained. In ignoring the imperialist roots of the First World “wage”, First Worldist socialists contribute to a political culture of corporatism, parochialism and national chauvinist belonging which can only bolster the position of the capitalist class globally.
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amazing
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# ? Feb 3, 2022 07:34 |
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sounds like more tedious america-centric dogshit op
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Want to check this out eventually, but this is also the go-to reference for every dipshit who argues that identity politics is so much more important than class politics. Which is probably taking the reading out of context, those weirdos do the same thing with TNC, but it's always inspired a bit of weariness in me.
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# ? Feb 3, 2022 15:48 |
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hard to believe a book specifically about the US is america-centric
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# ? Feb 3, 2022 15:58 |
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I found the Invention of the White Race (vol 1-2) and black marxism are much better than settlers.
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# ? Feb 3, 2022 16:01 |
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lol
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Random rear end in a top hat posted:In the same way that Holocaust victims died from Zyklon-B exposure. died with Zyklon-B exposure. many were crushed to death in a desperate panic
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# ? Feb 3, 2022 16:33 |
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impossible to take the single K spelling seriously it's either c or kkk
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LittleBlackCloud posted:impossible to take the single K spelling seriously it's either c or kkk united $$$nake$$$ of amerikkka
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LittleBlackCloud posted:impossible to take the single K spelling seriously it's either c or kkk a single K spelling is the European (racist) way
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# ? Feb 3, 2022 17:49 |
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Weka posted:Didn't most native Americans die from disease? Seems like something you might want to mention.
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# ? Feb 3, 2022 18:45 |
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its ok but settlers 3 is really the peak of the series, currently like 2 bux on gog
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# ? Feb 3, 2022 18:49 |
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gee how’d all those indians die of smallpox? that’s a shame - jeffery amherst
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# ? Feb 3, 2022 18:52 |
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Settlers is one of the most overrated books ever
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Probably Magic posted:Want to check this out eventually, but this is also the go-to reference for every dipshit who argues that identity politics is so much more important than class politics. Which is probably taking the reading out of context, those weirdos do the same thing with TNC, but it's always inspired a bit of weariness in me. what needs to be corrected is the idealist-in-form understanding of "identity politics," but it points to real contradictions that exist in capitalist society
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https://files.catbox.moe/11g5bk.mp4
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