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Jedit posted:It's pretty obvious that you can do it from your Tesla, because reading your posting ITT is like watching a car crash. I'm really impressed with the mileage I get from the car, I'm just equally pleased how much everyone else gets too.
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NotJustANumber99 posted:Yes mate, social media is when its piss easy and everyone and their grandma is doing it not just some nerds. Thats what the car analogy was supposed to be about. What's the difference between that and AOL forums (started 1986, connected to Usenet in 1993)? Like I say social media is just a term applied retroactively to a continuum of services that started with shared text docs on mainframes in the 70s, it's not like the scale of use changes anything about the actual legal framework they fall under. More importantly none of this addresses my actual point which was that the Blair government deliberately chose to use the wrong framework to judge one-to-many communications. I say deliberately because they *can't* pretend they didn't know what they were doing because Godfrey v Demon and several other cases were already defining the space and putting down the same barrier between one-to-one communications and one-to-many that exists everywhere else.
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In other news, some kind of glitch with Zipcar has them claiming I've just parked a car in Ghana1] - just as well they take the mileage from the odometer and not the GPS, really. [1] Presumably a GPS glitch, Ghana is the nearest dry land to 0 lat/0 lon - presumably them and São Tomé and Príncipe are in for a fun time if nuclear war breaks out and someone forgets to put the target in.
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keep punching joe posted:I'm willing to die on the hill of social media being a product of Web 2.0. Forums, bbs, icq/irc etc. are all the old (good) Internet and do not count. Good lord that reminds me, I had a 4 digit icq number, sadly lost to the sands of time now.  I played a pbm wargame in the 80's and we had a role roleplay news letter that we used to sling poo poo at each other. That was sort of (anti)social, and it was media. The real brain worms set in with smart phones and easy access, and the interweb stopped being the fastness of porn, geeks and nerds. Not to say we didnt have our own issues, but...
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the popular concept of any personal information being shared on the internet used to be akin to "if you so much as give your real first name in a chat room, a crack team of paedophiles will locate and break into your home within moments" somewhere along the line that changed to "if everything you post isn't accompanied by your full name, photo, address and preferred underwear brand/size you just did at least seventeen terrorisms" that's when social media became a thing calvin klein, XL
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What did Eddie do? Last I heard they identified as a lesbian trapped in a man's body, though that may have been a joke tbh. Dress to Kill is still the best.
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Collateral posted:What did Eddie do? Join the Labour Party, an inexcusable sin.
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It does feel sometimes like Eddie Izzard is taking the piss, especially with the whole "I don't care about pronouns and JKR isn't transphobic" thing, but I don't know enough about whether that was a fair representation of what they said, only that it did understandably cause upset. Why Glinner cares so much about whether Eddie Izzard is a woman or not is a different matter.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:More importantly none of this addresses my actual point which was that the Blair government deliberately chose to use the wrong framework to judge one-to-many communications. I say deliberately because they *can't* pretend they didn't know what they were doing because Godfrey v Demon and several other cases were already defining the space and putting down the same barrier between one-to-one communications and one-to-many that exists everywhere else. This is the central thesis yes, regardless of whether you want to call it "social media" the notion of posting things for anyone to see on the internet was (or should have been) entirely understood at the time because it was already being done.
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Guavanaut posted:It does feel sometimes like Eddie Izzard is taking the piss, especially with the whole "I don't care about pronouns and JKR isn't transphobic" thing, but I don't know enough about whether that was a fair representation of what they said, only that it did understandably cause upset. I really don't think glinner is arguing anything in good faith. He has lost the plot entirely.
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Guavanaut posted:It does feel sometimes like Eddie Izzard is taking the piss, especially with the whole "I don't care about pronouns and JKR isn't transphobic" thing, but I don't know enough about whether that was a fair representation of what they said, only that it did understandably cause upset. When - if - Eddie decides to tell the story of how she got to where she is, it will probably be a lot clearer. I don't like some of what she's come out and said but from what I know I don't believe she's taking the piss at all, but It's Complicated, as it always is, but her tale to tell. Linehan on the other hand can unambiguously gently caress off.
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OwlFancier posted:Nobody tell them about pantomimes. Between adults being around children, gender-blind casting, the idea of fun, innuendo, pratfalls, and being near a city centre I reckon you'd set the mumsnet servers on fire. e; realised that read as though I thought setting their servers on fire would be a negative. It wouldn't. Total Meatlove fucked around with this message at 16:30 on Feb 1, 2022 |
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Liberty are filing a case against the Met's Gangs Violence Matrix so that big dump of all the racist police being racist etc might find some use there.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Like I say social media is just a term applied retroactively to a continuum of services that started with shared text docs on mainframes in the 70s, it's not like the scale of use changes anything about the actual legal framework they fall under. If I post it to facebook, it's seen by probably my dad and some guy I went to uni with, both of whom know me and understand I wouldn't actually do it. If I post it on twitter, it MIGHT be seen by a mutual of someone I follow, who might then retweet it to a transphobe who will try to make me the main character or contact my boss (jokes on them I have been unemployed forever). The comments section would also be in a different order, leading to mass confusion over who precisely is being owned (this is why you get the crazy replies first if you open links incognito) - see any Nate Bethea post where the comments are full of transphobes and leftists who are both convinced they're the ones doing the dunking. The difference between old web and social media should be obvious, it's the way it's built around social links, whether that's friend lists or sharing, and how those links affect the information you recieve as a consequence. As I said before, if you and I both load up GBS or usenet or the BBC homepage, we would see the same thing. If we both loaded up facebook or twitter we'd see different things. That's social media. Bobby Deluxe fucked around with this message at 17:00 on Feb 1, 2022 |
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I feel like that distinction gets blurrier when I don't read 95-99% of SA, I read the things I am interested in and that's it. Twitter just replaces me looking for threads with a robot deciding what stuff I want to see based on what I am already looking at/looked at previously.
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Speaking of ambiguously gendered TV characters, I finally got around to watching The Watch and I'm surprised I didn't see more complaints about it from the transphobes of Twitter considering the presentation of Vetinari and Cheery's character arc. Maybe they did complain but I was lucky enough not to see. The show didn't 100% click with me but I thought it was a decent interpretation of Ankh-Morpork and the casting was good. I was pretty unhappy when Detritus dies in episode 2, even if there are hints he's not completely gone. More generally I had a bit of dissonance where familiar parts of the books were taken and moved and the timeline muddled, or elements from one story arc rearranged into another. Not that those are necessarily bad choices for the TV series, but if you've read and reread the books things just feel a bit off. If there's a second season I'll probably watch it, but I won't be too upset if there isn't one either.
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https://twitter.com/libby_brooks/status/1488537275055095812?t=di33Ka38G2U63UYMhz5iRw&s=19 One of the big stories in Scotland today has been this: Raith Rovers have lost both their home & away kit sponsors, I believe 2 members of their board, the supporters liason officer, they won't even have ball boys at their next match. For those unfamiliar, the Procurator Fiscal decided there wasn't enough evidence to prosecute so the survivor took the case to civil court & won 6 figures (I think £50k from each of the rapists). I think reform & rehabilitation have to be at the core of a justice system & Goodwillie hasn't shown a jot of remorse or even accepted that he did anything wrong. It's a horrible story & Raith seem.to have done themselves possible long-term damage with not just sponsors but also a lot of fans talking about not going back
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Failed Imagineer posted:Eddie seems to boil a lot of piss, which is good
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big scary monsters posted:Speaking of ambiguously gendered TV characters, I finally got around to watching The Watch and I'm surprised I didn't see more complaints about it from the transphobes of Twitter considering the presentation of Vetinari and Cheery's character arc. Maybe they did complain but I was lucky enough not to see. I don't think anyone who is transphobic or liable to complain about gender swaps would go anywhere close to a Discworld property. I do complain about the most recent adaptation though, since it misses a lot of the point of the characters. A female vetinari is perfectly fine (although no-one is ever going to top Charles Dance's Vetinari), but the Cheery we got manages to spectacularly miss everything central and important about her character. Not to mention that 5 minutes after we get the story of the pathos of Carrot being a human sized dwarf we get another human sized dwarf and it apparently wasn't an issue for them. Just a confused production all round. It feels like they just stuck a Discworld skin onto an unrelated steam punk show they couldn'tget greenlit. Bug Squash fucked around with this message at 17:12 on Feb 1, 2022 |
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Bobby Deluxe posted:If I post a message to SA threatening to kill anyone with transphobic views, it can be seen by the entire internet (including Tom Watson apparently) in the same way by everyone. None of these are things that make social media, as the term is used now, more like a letter or a phone call - the framework into which they were forced - than they are like a Usenet post or writing "Korn sucks" on someone's Geocities guestbook.
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forkboy84 posted:https://twitter.com/libby_brooks/status/1488537275055095812?t=di33Ka38G2U63UYMhz5iRw&s=19 This is a real shame as despite coming from despite darkest Mordor I have always considered Raith good eggs. Seems like many of their supporters are at least. Surprises me the backlash against Clyde wasn't at a similar scale, maybe it's just because Raith are a bigger club. Anyway, I think they need to climb down from this but they won't reverse all the damage. One thing I was wondering about the expressing remorse bit, obviously it would be the right thing to do but wouldn't that open him to a criminal charnge? Anyway McPake out.
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Bug Squash posted:I don't think anyone who is transphobic or liable to complain about gender swaps would go anywhere close to a Discworld property. I made a conscious decision not to compare it to Discworld at all and enjoyed it hugely. Weirdly I think had they tried to make it more like the books it would have been much, much worse for it because it would have run into the literary equivalent of the uncanny valley - I certainly liked it far more than any of the other attempts to film Discworld.
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big scary monsters posted:Speaking of ambiguously gendered TV characters, I finally got around to watching The Watch and I'm surprised I didn't see more complaints about it from the transphobes of Twitter considering the presentation of Vetinari and Cheery's character arc. Maybe they did complain but I was lucky enough not to see. It had its issues but I liked it a lot more than the Sky adaptations and less than the cosgrove hall cartoons. Stop motion Truckers remains the best pratchet tv adaptation imo. Also i can attest that my terfy sister was in fact super, super mad about Cherry's portrayal, naturally she didn't watch the series at all though.
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Bug Squash posted:I don't think anyone who is transphobic or liable to complain about gender swaps would go anywhere close to a Discworld property. Mr Phillby posted:I thought it was pretty okay too. I was suprised how much i grew to like the portrayal of vimes in particular. e: goddamnedtwisto posted:I made a conscious decision not to compare it to Discworld at all and enjoyed it hugely. Weirdly I think had they tried to make it more like the books it would have been much, much worse for it because it would have run into the literary equivalent of the uncanny valley - I certainly liked it far more than any of the other attempts to film Discworld. big scary monsters fucked around with this message at 18:10 on Feb 1, 2022 |
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goddamnedtwisto posted:loving closing the thread as I type a reply, I'm calling the police and having Guavanaut put in Megajail. I think we went over this ITT a few months back. IMO social media is specifically something where you primarily follow a person/account and it shows you (in theory, algorithms etc. aside) all of the things they post. Forums are where you typically follow threads, topics etc. I have no idea what other people ITT post about in other parts of the forums except when I just happen to notice them in other threads. With social media you're sort of signing up to someone's whole output rather than following specific topics. Also maybe some stuff about sharing other peoples' output to your followers etc. I think that's straightforward enough but I imagine I'm about to get Diogenes'd to gently caress. I know for example that facebook has "groups" which are more akin to regular forums and twitter has "topics" or whatever you can follow which doesn't strictly fit the above definition but I'd also argue that they are not the *core functionality* of those sites. Anyway I also understand the distinction in that effectively when you post on social media you are still posting in public and the difference in terms of libelling somebody or whatever makes some sort of sense.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:I made a conscious decision not to compare it to Discworld at all and enjoyed it hugely. Weirdly I think had they tried to make it more like the books it would have been much, much worse for it because it would have run into the literary equivalent of the uncanny valley - I certainly liked it far more than any of the other attempts to film Discworld. I haven't watched The Watch - my attention span is too shot for much TV these days - but I always thought complaints about it not being true to the books were flawed from the outset, because, well, if you want the books you can read them. Most of Pratchett's best writing isn't dialogue and isn't stuff that could really be translated to the screen at all AFAICT. I'm OK with adaptations in a new medium going wildly off-piste - in fact I really don't want adaptions of books to supplant how I imagined the source material.
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