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loving closing the thread as I type a reply, I'm calling the police and having Guavanaut put in Megajail.NotJustANumber99 posted:I knew you'd argue about this. I mean the wiki on social media reckons you can say we had it in the 1960's. But no, thats an applied version of history with the context of hindsight. If you can come up with a definition of "social media" which includes all current social media but excludes BBSes, Usenet and web forums I'm all ears. It wasn't something that was invented in 2001 and then MySpace etc then filled this new frontier, the term was coined to describe these new companies who were simply doing what had been going on for decades but with lower barriers to entry (and conscious decision not to actually bother enforcing the norms of the older methods but that's a different and even more bitter argument). Certainly from a *legal* perspective the only difference between the first bulletin board systems and Twitter et. al. is scale. Both allow one person to send a communication which goes to multiple people, many (or most) of whom the sender does not know at all, over a system not owned by either party. And as I pointed out, there was already a long-running (and extremely influential) court case and surrounding debate over where such proto-social media fit into the law; it's utterly ridiculous to say that the drafters of the law just weren't aware of the distinction that had already been drawn between one-to-one and one-to-many communications on the internet. They knew *exactly* what they were doing by locking all electronic communication to this much stricter standard than to the looser (relatively speaking - it's still a very high bar) standards that the courts had established in Godfrey v Demon. (In fact part of me really wouldn't be surprised if you told me there'd been intense lobbying from ISPs to apply such a strong standard directly to users as a way of heading off them having to shoulder any more responsibility for the actions of their users, but that's purely my own  view rather than anything I have actual evidence for)
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NotJustANumber99 posted:Yes mate, social media is when its piss easy and everyone and their grandma is doing it not just some nerds. Thats what the car analogy was supposed to be about. What's the difference between that and AOL forums (started 1986, connected to Usenet in 1993)? Like I say social media is just a term applied retroactively to a continuum of services that started with shared text docs on mainframes in the 70s, it's not like the scale of use changes anything about the actual legal framework they fall under. More importantly none of this addresses my actual point which was that the Blair government deliberately chose to use the wrong framework to judge one-to-many communications. I say deliberately because they *can't* pretend they didn't know what they were doing because Godfrey v Demon and several other cases were already defining the space and putting down the same barrier between one-to-one communications and one-to-many that exists everywhere else.
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In other news, some kind of glitch with Zipcar has them claiming I've just parked a car in Ghana1] - just as well they take the mileage from the odometer and not the GPS, really. [1] Presumably a GPS glitch, Ghana is the nearest dry land to 0 lat/0 lon - presumably them and São Tomé and Príncipe are in for a fun time if nuclear war breaks out and someone forgets to put the target in.
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Bobby Deluxe posted:If I post a message to SA threatening to kill anyone with transphobic views, it can be seen by the entire internet (including Tom Watson apparently) in the same way by everyone. None of these are things that make social media, as the term is used now, more like a letter or a phone call - the framework into which they were forced - than they are like a Usenet post or writing "Korn sucks" on someone's Geocities guestbook.
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Bug Squash posted:I don't think anyone who is transphobic or liable to complain about gender swaps would go anywhere close to a Discworld property. I made a conscious decision not to compare it to Discworld at all and enjoyed it hugely. Weirdly I think had they tried to make it more like the books it would have been much, much worse for it because it would have run into the literary equivalent of the uncanny valley - I certainly liked it far more than any of the other attempts to film Discworld.
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The Wicked ZOGA posted:I haven't watched The Watch - my attention span is too shot for much TV these days - but I always thought complaints about it not being true to the books were flawed from the outset, because, well, if you want the books you can read them. Most of Pratchett's best writing isn't dialogue and isn't stuff that could really be translated to the screen at all AFAICT. I'm OK with adaptations in a new medium going wildly off-piste - in fact I really don't want adaptions of books to supplant how I imagined the source material. This was always my favourite thing about Douglas Adams, he made almost no attempt to maintain continuity between the various adaptations of HHGTTG because he recognised that they're completely different mediums and so you can pretty much had to tear it up and start from scratch (although it definitely helped that the Guide itself provided him with a cheat code to put in huge amounts of jokes that would be impossible to incorporate into dialogue). He kept most of the important characters and concepts, and most of the best jokes, but felt free to completely obliterate everything else to make it work in the new medium.
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WhatEvil posted:I think we went over this ITT a few months back. IMO social media is specifically something where you primarily follow a person/account and it shows you (in theory, algorithms etc. aside) all of the things they post. Forums are where you typically follow threads, topics etc. I have no idea what other people ITT post about in other parts of the forums except when I just happen to notice them in other threads. With social media you're sort of signing up to someone's whole output rather than following specific topics. Yeah I realise now that I should have put *legal* definition of social media etc, because people are getting sidetracked into philosophical discussions about what is and isn't web 2.0 or whatever and the whole point I was making was that social media, no matter how you define it, belongs in a set including just about everything else on the internet that isn't a specifically-addressed one-to-one communication (email, chat, etc) and definitely *not* in a set that includes phone calls and letters.
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forkboy84 posted:Yeah, Raith are in a battle for the playoff spot to get in the top flight, Clyde were League 2 when he signed with them, although there was a bit of backlash at the time (poo poo SNP member John Mason declared he'd not go back to Broadwood). I think for remorse to be genuine it has to involve admitting what you've done, which would definitely be a problem here.
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NotJustANumber99 posted:If thats a public place (is it?) surely he has as much right to be there as some camera crew and the little runt? No, College Green is private property (there's little signs on the edge of it to remind you) but I can't remember if it belongs to Parliament or to 11 Millbank (the building to the south of it that's a broadcast centre for the Beeb and Sky News, bought specifically so they could do interviews in front of Parliament without people shouting poo poo at them).
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7-foot width restrictions are literally everywhere, the particular problem with this one is there's not enough space for the high, sloped kerbs they'd normally use, e.g. at this even narrower restriction at Rotherhithe Tunnel: so they've just chucked bollards at the edge, meaning there's absolutely no margin for error and people who have until now been unknowingly driving over the kerb at other restrictions are hitting the bollards instead. That restriction at the Rotherhithe is pretty funny because when I was a kid LGVs and even (single-decker, obviously) buses were allowed to use the tunnel, but because cars keep getting fatter and harder to see out of the amount of crashes (and near-misses for the extremely foolhardy few pedestrians and cyclists that use it) skyrocketed over the last couple of decades. Now they're also going to have to put in a harsh height restriction too because box vans, which overhang significantly and so can still get through the gap, are causing crashes.
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Bobby Deluxe posted:I mean i'm not a driver, but is the problem not that the cars aren't slowing down enough? No, the problem is they're slowing down much too quickly because they've just hit a bollard.
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The yanks *do* love a stop sign where a give way (okay "yield") would work a thousand times better though. One that sticks in my mind was way the gently caress out in the Mojave, to join a stretch of highway that runs dead straight for 8 miles in one direction and 2 in the other, and which (I counted) had 3 vehicles pass in 5 minutes. Also the positioning of the stop line would (I think, I was on a bike so couldn't confirm) actually put the highway right in the A-pillar blind spot when you were stopped at it, for even more fun, although this is apparently because most of their stop lines are set considerably back from the actual junction because so many people sail through them *then* look. Those of you following along at home by the way will be entirely unsurprised that the junction was one of the entrances to the Nevada Test Site and Area 51, but I bottled my original plan to go and look at the actual fence, 2 miles down the road and just turned round when I saw the first "We're going to shoot you" sign. e: The road actually runs to where I really do all my posting from: 
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Payndz posted:Being a Camo Dude at Groom Lake must be a hell of a boring job. "What do you do all day?" "Sit in a big SUV staring at a gate in the middle of a desert, and if anyone gets too close to it I drive down and tell them to go away." Or have they all been replaced with drones by now? Probably less boring than guarding, say, Nellis or Creech (the two non- USAF bases in the area) because at least sometimes when the movement sensor goes off you get to go scare the poo poo out of a nerd rather than it just being another coyote.
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a pipe smoking dog posted:Was Rachel Swindon the one where it turned out it was actually a dude pretending to be his ex-wife? That was the accusation made by the same jumper-wearing weirdos who said Harry Smith couldn't possibly be using Twitter either (but absolutely loved noted real person who definitely exists Margaret Cutting), yes.
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kecske posted:I bet 'the older generation' we have to celebrate and support will start at 60 or so Well they did fight in two world wars for our freedom, we should definitely be doing more for them like removing VAT on Jeremy Clarkson DVDs.
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NotJustANumber99 posted:was that like miss moneypenny or something The FCO employ a *huge* amount of mid-level staff - almost exclusively women - whose entire job is pretty much this sort of thing, running frantically around after senior politicians when they're abroad making sure they're not leaving all the MI6 briefings about what other nation's politicians like to get up to in the bedroom out and open on the table. That and regularly reminding them not to Do The Accent, something that often isn't even (intentionally) racist but posh Anglophones absolutely do seem to believe that they're helping the translator or the English-speaking foreigner by doing a sub-'Allo 'Allo voice. "Babysitting" as a term for this kind of work is only about 10% a joke. (source: an acquaintance of mine who was one of those women, and who I would ply with drink because when she'd had a few she would start telling tales about the trip to Canada, and I was *sure* there was something juicy in there because every once in a while she'd stop and look guilty and change the subject. Alas more drink just made her all gushy about Justin Trudeau)
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Spangly A posted:So between the suspension of competition law and record production preceding a 50% energy price hike, the UK energy supply is now a fully formed cartel? I saw a cartoon around the time of the GFC of a giant robot destroying houses, with a father explaining that it was just the glorious free market doing it's thing and that they should rush out with their wallets to help it get back up when it fell down. I wish I could find it again because really it should be the response to every loving thing that gets said and done in politics for the last 20 years.
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Barry Foster posted:I have that somewhere, I'll try and dig it out for you when I get a sec Loonytoad Quack posted:
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I know you all love my posts about London air traffic but there's a doozy going on at the moment - the East of England Air Ambulance has just landed at St. George's Hospital in Tooting, having (presumably) picked someone up from the Royal Papworth Hospital in Cambridge. This on it's own would be *fairly* peculiar - night operations over London are severely limited, night landings much, much more so, and although St. George's is a reserve base for G-HEMS (London's air ambulance) in the event the Royal London isn't available, and I can't see anything (skimming Wiki) that either St. George's offers that Papworth doesn't, but maybe there is some ultra-ultra-specialist thing that they can do there that necessitates all this rule-bending (I'd be less surprised if the traffic were the other way - the Papworth is a world leader in cardiac and pulmonary surgery so it might be a patient needing them urgently, or even a heart or a lung being picked up for transplantation. Where it gets *really* weird is... it made this exact trip, at exactly the same time (well within 2 minutes), last night as well. I don't think it's anything suspicious, but it certainly is really bloody weird.
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OwlFancier posted:Do youse really only have one air ambulance for the whole east of england? "East of England" isn't just a term for everything from Newcastle to the Isle of Wight, it's a specific region comprising East Anglia and all the bits of England that everyone else thinks are in East Anglia but which insist they aren't, plus the Home Counties north and east of London. It's almost perfectly sized for a single air ambulance to cover - you can fly anywhere there from Cambridge in under 30 minutes, and has a population of about 6 million.
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Bobby Deluxe posted:Most likely a practice run for getting the queen to the golden throne in time. I can think of no sequence of events that leads to Her Maj carking it in Tooting, and I can see her giving the idea of having to go there to save her life the same reception as her grandfather gave to the idea of going to Bognor.
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NotJustANumber99 posted:I own part of that chopper, or maybe the elephant house at Colchester zoo, they didn't specify which I hope they can tell the difference or that could get messy pretty quickly.
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Apropos of nothing but it's so weird that we have, in 2022, a borough council that gets it's name from some Medieval lord seeing blonde people and thinking "Hey they must be Danes, and as we all know, Danes actually come from Dacia (modern day Romania) so I shall call this place "the Hundred Of The Dacians"" and calling it a day. (Also that the reaction of people in the Hundred Of The Dacians to seeing actual Dacians was to vote to leave the EU)
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ThomasPaine posted:I found the stone walls in mine retained heat pretty well. It was an ordeal to get it comfortable from cold but once you had it there you only needed a few hours blast of the boiler every day to maintain it, even when it was cold out. It worked the other way round in summer too, it could be unbearably hot outside but the cool stone kept it nice indoors. Actual stone walls are really good insulators (but the thermal mass is huge as you say). Almost all Victorian housing is brick though, and brick - especially just normal two-course brickwork as used in almost all of them - is an absolutely terrible insulator. Non Hoffman-kiln bricks (i.e. most bricks used in the mid-Victorian building boom around most British cities) also tend to be quite porous so when you fix the terrible insulation in the windows and roof they become an absolute nightmare for damp. The leakiness was a feature, not a bug, when you were heating with coal (or peat) though, because you needed somewhere for air to get in to feed the fires, and it also meant that the damp tended not to build up quite as badly because of the constant exchange of air. Incidentally this is the main reason that pebble-dashing and other surface dressings were so popular in the 60s and 70s - as people moved to central heating in the wake of the Clean Air Act in London (and other regions followed suit when the price of gas plummeted as we moved to North Sea gas from Town Gas) they were a relatively cheap and simple way of addressing the problems caused by removing the fireplaces and the airflow they promoted.
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OwlFancier posted:I did try fingerless gloves unfortunately but they still interfere, I have big ham hands so I need to put my fingers very close together to type. Appreciate the suggestions though. Decades of bike knowledge weighing in here: Keeping your core warm is a good first step, as is checking your ergonomics to ensure you're not cutting off circulation to your fingers (surprisingly easy to do). Hand exercises will also help a lot to both temporarily increase circulation to make your hands feel warmer and, long term, increase your flexibility and strength in your hands so they can operate better at lower temperatures. In extremis, seamless silk glove liners will insulate better and, as they're much thinner, not rob you of anywhere near as much flexibility as even fingerless gloves. They're not *cheap* - £10-£30 - and because they don't have as much flexibility as nylon or polyester you have to make sure you get the correct size, but they're still far better for keeping your fingers warm while leaving them usable and also you can slap people in the face with them when you wish to express displeasure. I was also going to jokingly suggest you fashion a keyboard muff (fnarr) out of an old jumper if you can touch-type, but I now realise that might actually be a pretty good idea. Their main advantage is keeping wind off rather than heat in, but if your house is really cold they'd work much more effectively than gloves.
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Bobby Deluxe posted:I feel like he must have lost or fired the last of his funny writers Apropos of nothing, Jerry Sadowitz hasn't done a gig since the start of Covid. In fact all of those really dangerous standups that do 30k corporate gigs seem to have hit writers block since Christmas 2019, weird that.
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Trickjaw posted:Nadine is right. From 1995 to 2012 I just sat infront of a blank screen, waiting for something-anything- to happen. Ah, an O2 customer then?
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Trickjaw posted:No, just that tgat dixons loving Internet. Btw, glad to catch you, as I was reading an old Viz earlier, and Cockley wanker (owright, darlin) referred to being a brit as a labia and clit. As is in Gawd, it meks yer prahd to be a labia an clit. I propose it's inclusion in our lexicon, if we have to use use your barbarbaric language. See that's how you can tell it's written by a bunch of Geordies who, if they ever entered London, would explode like one of those angler fish bought to the surface. For a start "mek" is loving Manc bollocks, all vowel sounds become flat As in the (Mark) Noble Tongue. Even more unforgivably he true Cockney would *never* bowlderise, or even shorten, "British". Note that there's no rhyming slang for "British", "Kray Twins", "Queen Mum" or even "Canning Town", as these are the things most beloved to the Cockney Heart. (Also "barbarbaric"? You think we're all elephants?)
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Trickjaw posted:that was a typo, but I fear you're missing the joke still. Still, yer fettled, petal. You didn't offend me with the first one, I was simply correcting Viz. Now the second one, claiming that I would enter Bermondsey any other way than at shotgun-point in the back of a Jag, that's genuinely offensive and we are enemies now.
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Trickjaw posted:Fair enough. Blind Beggar at midnight? Nah it was never knocked down, but it is a gastro-pub now. They've at least kept all the original fixtures and fittings and TBH it's not actually that annoying compared to what they did to, say, the Commercial and the Ten Bells on Commercial Street.
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Goldskull posted:Not been in the Bells in years, I used to live 5 mins away from it. What did they do to it? (Guessing ripped out all the old tiles) They've kept the tiled mural at least, but gutted the rest of the interior - all the old etched glass and paneling is gone, they've ripped out the old gas mantles and replaced them with fake chandeliers, put in a completely pointless island bar, and they've distressed the brasses and woodwork, and slapped up some new tiling that looks like it's from a pie and mash shop. It's an impulse I've never understood with the gentrifiers, they rip out actual authentic Victorian fixtures and fittings and replace them with a pastiche of what was once there that suggests they just got pissed and tried to remember what the place once looked like. Like at least the Commercial had a design brief that made sense (make it look like a squat - still outrageous vandalism on what was once a really nice pub, but you know, that was what Tarquin had in mind so gently caress it), the Bells literally just tried to badly copy what they'd ripped out.
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https://twitter.com/CouncilCulture/status/1490044912422825985 (And yes I noticed that my original caption made no bloody sense so I've gone to the effort of posting another one) goddamnedtwisto fucked around with this message at 20:30 on Feb 5, 2022 |
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ThomasPaine posted:Say what you like about Ricky Gervais but if you think the office was bad you're insane It does suffer a bit from Seinfeld Syndrome, in that if you only started watching sitcoms in a post-Office world it all seems horribly dated and derivative, but that's because (for good or ill) everyone that came after it pretty much had to copy it.
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Yeah, some of my fb friends are absolutely frothing at the thought of Queen Camilla. It's amazing how little they seem to get the concept of monarchy, once he's got the big hat on Charles can give her the title Empress Of The Moon and force everyone to give her any spare buttons they have on their person when they meet her because that's what happens when you have monarchs.
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OwlFancier posted:I find it odd to imagine that when people have multiple behavioural codes which they switch between, that the most favourable one, or the one that they use in person, is necessarily the "real" one and has some sort of primacy over the others. Nah, everyone has different personas in different situations. Imagine what a crushing bore - or total danger - someone would be who was exactly the same with their boss, their mum, their oldest friends and some random person on the street, and I'd be horrified if you tell me the chirpy lower-middle-class act I put on at work was the true me, even though there are definitely more people who've seen that than have seen the me I consider the real me. This goes double for standup, especially at the lower levels, because if you let the "real" you out on that stage you'd be dead by the fourth gig. The sheer howling void of a joke not landing - the amazing way that a room full of people can be so much quieter than a completely empty one - will tear your soul straight out of your arse if you let it, and so you better make sure that it's not "you" throwing yourself into that abyss.
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TACD posted:”Lapse in judgement” is more like Whoopi Goldberg’s situation IMO. If you’ve carefully scripted your hateful rhetoric and you’ve got a long track record of similar sentiments, then you’re just being continually hateful. It's not a lapse in judgement, he's crossed the Chubby Brown Event Horizon. People coming to his shows are no longer coming for well-crafted jokes that happen to be offensive (he named one of his shows "Joke Technician" because he was described that way in a review, and that was really what he was - he genuinely was one of the best technical standups in the country, able to hone middling material to a razor edge), they now just come to see the funny man say the rude words and if he attempts non-offensive jokes they die on their arse because his crowd aren't there for that. The only way out of that is either to deliberately trash your existing career and start from scratch or to just keep saying ruder and ruder things to dumber and dumber crowds. He was always going to be susceptible to that not because he's a shock-jock comedian but because the lack of any other substance to his act means there's no other place for him to go - and that he's definitely realised that and doesn't even bother honing the material any more. Like the Holocaust joke - 10 years ago he would have turned that into an attack on the crowd's attitude or at least taken it that one extra step of probing who it is and isn't acceptable to want exterminated. Now though all he has to do is say "Hurhur it's good that they died" because it gets the big laugh and he knows the Open Mike/Hat Trick/OTK mafia will close ranks behind him if he ever gets called out on it because ultimately if they don't they risk getting kicked out of the group of 20 or so acts who are more or less contractually obliged to be on any comedy show on British television.
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Gambrinus posted:Is there a decent DIY thread anywhere on the forums? I mostly just read this thread and Books nowadays. They closed the porn forum almost 20 years ago mate.
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Guavanaut posted:Yeah Maplin ( Had a genuinely sad moment last year when I used up the last of the big box of AAA batteries I bought from Maplins in their closing down sale. When the little soldering iron I bought from them in the late 90s finally goes I think I'll have to bury it in the back garden or something.
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