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America Inc.
Nov 22, 2013

I plan to live forever, of course, but barring that I'd settle for a couple thousand years. Even 500 would be pretty nice.
The majority of these posts are basically "we're hosed" but I think people are underestimating the possibility of change. Neoliberalism has trained us to think that no other world is possible, but there's lots of people out there wanting change and will jump at opportunities for it.

Look at what happened with the George Floyd uprising, all the people around the world protesting and demanding justice and change, and trying out alternative models of living outside of capitalism like CHAZ.

"We're hosed" can seem like the most realist perspective, but it's far from imaginative or useful to inspire people to change. Change always seems unthinkable until it comes to surprise you.

E: just think of all the predictions for the future made by past generations based on what they saw of the present and how often ridiculous or wrong such predictions were. Malthus couldn't predict worth poo poo.

America Inc. fucked around with this message at 10:07 on Feb 2, 2022

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America Inc.
Nov 22, 2013

I plan to live forever, of course, but barring that I'd settle for a couple thousand years. Even 500 would be pretty nice.

Vasukhani posted:

Defeated in a war with China and becomes fully fascist

Or takes the steps needed to save the republic: notably a crushing of religion and banning on children as private property of the parents.

I don't think religion is the whole problem. There are and have been religious people that fought on the side of justice like MLK or Malcolm X, John Brown, Nat Turner. Look at black and latino communities and you will see a lot of deeply Christian (and Muslim) people that have their faith without the hate. How often do rappers invoke their faith, quite a lot, you can go all the way back to the slave spirituals. Religion has been intertwined with black culture and civil rights.

It's not just religion, in fact religion is just a mirror of deeper beliefs and structures. The prosperity gospel poo poo is just an attempt to justify capitalism through God. Some people use God to justify why the world is poo poo and to give up on chances to improve it looking for otherworldly hopes, Nietzsche and Marx were writing about this a hundred years ago.

But religion is just a tool, a basis to justify something. And that something doesn't have to be capitalism and white supremacy.

The USSR tried to suppress religion for a time, I would say even with good intentions, but with its death Russia became that more reactionary and the religion that much more zealous and hateful. Just look at how LGBT people are treated in Russia today. The more you try to suppress something, the more virulent it becomes like the War on Drugs.

What is needed not a suppression of religion, but to show to the world that Christianity can be something different. Jesus was a socialist.

E: but I agree that I don't like where this great power conflict is going and how it distracts from the problems we have right here.

E1: but also this invocation of ideas from Marxism-Leninism is also kind of not creative. Lenin said that ML comes to every country differently. The revolution is not coming by just copypasting what Lenin and Mao did.

America Inc. fucked around with this message at 08:11 on Feb 4, 2022

America Inc.
Nov 22, 2013

I plan to live forever, of course, but barring that I'd settle for a couple thousand years. Even 500 would be pretty nice.

Vasukhani posted:

also citizens being members of a state, belonging to it and making it up, is just republicanism. I actually don't think many Americans are okay with True Republicanism and would prefer a quasi feudal system with noble rights and privileges.

Plato's republic has little to do with republicanism as defined in a modern sense, and it's actually describing a totalitarian society.

gently caress Plato

America Inc.
Nov 22, 2013

I plan to live forever, of course, but barring that I'd settle for a couple thousand years. Even 500 would be pretty nice.

Vasukhani posted:

What you're feeling is fear, instinct. It is the force that ripped apart bands of homo sapians each time they got too close to centralized authority, the force that prevented true cooperation until 5 short millennia ago.

We are at another moment like that right now.

Uh no, I'm just recognizing a trend of behavior and the disastrous consequences of it. It's also exceptionally cult-like.

E: I'm going to also refrain from replying more to you because I don't want to entertain a crackpot

America Inc. fucked around with this message at 21:51 on Feb 4, 2022

America Inc.
Nov 22, 2013

I plan to live forever, of course, but barring that I'd settle for a couple thousand years. Even 500 would be pretty nice.

JBP posted:

Huge global resurgence via direct military power then everyone dies imo

The US is gonna have to waste a lot of resources fighting rebellions in its own territory if it goes hyper fascist. It's not going to be a bang but a whimper

America Inc.
Nov 22, 2013

I plan to live forever, of course, but barring that I'd settle for a couple thousand years. Even 500 would be pretty nice.

Al-Saqr posted:

Also expect China to speed ahead of the US in every development standard

China's development is going to be hampered by an aging population and low birthrate. I don't doubt that China will find innovative solutions to the problem, including automation, but it's still something to consider. Hell, maybe future advances in medicine will increase longevity and por ende keep workers in the workforce longer.

China is also going to be affected by climate change, including the Yellow and Yangtze rivers drying up. China has been a bit forward-thinking in this regard with projects like the Green Wall of China.

Looking forward, I doubt China will continue to see the vertiginous growth it has experienced in the last 3 decades and the CCP seems to be aware of this. The key to success for China is that they're not obstructed by partisanship and can plan for the long-term to make the most of what will be inevitably a difficult situation. Slowed growth is better than complete collapse.

America Inc. fucked around with this message at 03:32 on Feb 7, 2022

America Inc.
Nov 22, 2013

I plan to live forever, of course, but barring that I'd settle for a couple thousand years. Even 500 would be pretty nice.
It's possible that digital currencies could be advanced by the US government, as it is being in China with the digital yuan. In fact it's currently being explored by the Federal Reserve. But those currencies are distinctly not based on a public ledger.

If you want to see an example of crypto being adapted at the national level, look at El Salvador where users of the national app for access to Bitcoin are experiencing widespread identity theft and it's more of a tourist lure than a substantial change in everyday people's lives.

I think if anything crypto is going to be a fad that slowly dies away because it doesn't get institutional backing.

America Inc.
Nov 22, 2013

I plan to live forever, of course, but barring that I'd settle for a couple thousand years. Even 500 would be pretty nice.

Dr Christmas posted:

The sheriff is actively fostering white supremacist gangs, with murder tattoos and everything, while saying anyone points this out is a spooky Jewish Soros puppet.

Woah can you provide some sources? I believe you but my google-fu is failing me in this situation.

America Inc.
Nov 22, 2013

I plan to live forever, of course, but barring that I'd settle for a couple thousand years. Even 500 would be pretty nice.

Have you seen the movie "Sorry to Bother You"?

America Inc.
Nov 22, 2013

I plan to live forever, of course, but barring that I'd settle for a couple thousand years. Even 500 would be pretty nice.

Lib and let die posted:

Well that takes a hell of a loving turn

The horse-people reveal was David Lynch levels of wtf.

Josef bugman posted:

People are stopping going to church Bar. There is no place for God inside of Capitalism and the transformation of every religious impulse into either a culture war or an irrelevance is already well advanced across nigh on every corner of the globe by now.

There are still some groups which are quite religious:


https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/07/20/black-millennials-are-more-religious-than-other-millennials/



https://www.pewforum.org/religious-landscape-study/racial-and-ethnic-composition/

And don't forget Liberation theology.

If religion has no place in capitalism, then such contradiction should be exploited.

America Inc.
Nov 22, 2013

I plan to live forever, of course, but barring that I'd settle for a couple thousand years. Even 500 would be pretty nice.
So what might be an appropriate time period to say when the US began to decline as a world power, if we consider that the decline has already been going on for a while?

Already in the 70s there were people making predictions that Japan would supersede the US and neoliberalism was taking hold with Jimmy Carter. I think it's fair to say the rise of neoliberalism was the first sign of decay.

America Inc. fucked around with this message at 22:57 on Mar 15, 2022

America Inc.
Nov 22, 2013

I plan to live forever, of course, but barring that I'd settle for a couple thousand years. Even 500 would be pretty nice.

punk rebel ecks posted:

An absolute deathblow would be a major developing country copying China's economic system for the world to emulate, like say if EFF won and ran South Africa.

I think this is already happening with Ethiopia.

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America Inc.
Nov 22, 2013

I plan to live forever, of course, but barring that I'd settle for a couple thousand years. Even 500 would be pretty nice.

punk rebel ecks posted:

The page is paywalled but looking at Wikipedia pretty much the entire House is centrist or conservative parties: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Peoples%27_Representatives.

Yeah so capitalist, nationalist, and authoritarian with a focus on rapid state-led development that's China, Singapore and Ethiopia.

E: I recommend getting a FT subscription, Amber A'Lee Frost from Chapo explains why better.

America Inc. fucked around with this message at 00:22 on Mar 20, 2022

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