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Owlofcreamcheese
May 22, 2005
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The way people predict the future is always "whatever is in the news today will be that but times ten" but the future is never actually like that, it's always a bunch of new stuff.

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Owlofcreamcheese
May 22, 2005
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Vasukhani posted:

Banning homeschooling would be a start, but ultimately the next generation must be indoctrinated to republican values, citizens must always belong to the state, rather than pre-modern kinship groups. Do you really want trump voters raising new generations of trump voters? Breaking that chain is an unfinished step in completing America's Civil War.

They should cut someone's heart open and then have them watch while they tell them a story about damsel flies then tell us about it through relaxation tapes.

Owlofcreamcheese
May 22, 2005
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cognitive elite?

Owlofcreamcheese
May 22, 2005
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I feel like the issue with that prediction is that cryptocurrencies don’t actually work. Like not that they don’t work morally or ethically but that like, they are largely nonfunctional on the things people say they could do and that is just glossed over because people aren’t using them to do things, just using them as a backplate for mlm scams. Arbys couldn’t pay you in bitcoin even if it wanted,

Owlofcreamcheese
May 22, 2005
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Beowulfs_Ghost posted:

It's the tip of the iceberg. Making echo chambers is getting easier, not harder.

It always seems so crazy when people express this sort of idea.

Like, all of human history right up till the internet people used to live in super tightly homogenous communities. Like even growing up pre-internet anything but a big city was this absolutely community that like, self policed against people thinking differently. Or at least was a small collection of like a few different churches or major work places or whatever. People got their culture exclusively through the people physically next to them or through the same general popular media stuff.

I feel like what people say when they say there is more echo chambers is that there is less perfect echo chambers now and getting less and less all the time so they have to look at them more. Like in 1970 there was still a bunch of ultra racists running a defacto sunset town in louisiana, they all talked to each other and agreed all had the same identical worldview as each other, we just got to ignore them by just never going to louisiana much. Their echo chamber was so tight the sound didn't escape at all. Now no one can make a good echo chamber and every is having to deal with a brave new world of hearing everyone else's ideas all the time. including the bad ones (but also including the good ones.)

Owlofcreamcheese
May 22, 2005
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Beowulfs_Ghost posted:

But that isn't really an echo chamber.

An echo is hearing your voice reflected back to you.

In some of those communities, that's just being indoctrinated in the local culture. If you grew up in some catholic farming village in 15th century France, you weren't having your Catholic or monarchist beliefs echoed back to you, you were just indoctrinated into the preexisting culture.


That is the point, up until recently people lived in an echo chamber so complete that they could live their whole life with their opinions from birth to death never challenged in any meaningful way.

The internet didn't give people echo chambers, it took them away. People now are living in a world where they regularly encounter opinions and types of people other than whatever their local default is. That is a scary and frustrating thing, because there is some really awful opinions out there, and everyone's own opinion is the best one so seeing people so wrong and refusing to start to be right is stressful. But it's not the existence of those people that changed.

There only is disagreement when people that disagree talk. That has become MORE common not less common. It only felt less common in the past because of how easy it was to never talk to anyone that had that had a meaningfully different opinion.

Owlofcreamcheese
May 22, 2005
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Beowulfs_Ghost posted:


But the direction social media is going is away from that. It is putting tools into the hands of the users to make sure they never have to hear a dissenting opinion if they don't want to. And lets face it, no one likes hearing they are wrong. And for that reason, I do not think anyone needs to be tricked into some sort of Twitter radicalization. They will happily close themselves off in some weird social media rabbit hole, and they will feel the real, measurable, discomfort of cognitive dissonance if you force them out of there.


Eh, but they can't. The sunset town in Louisiana did very well making a community they never saw anyone that disagreed with them and did a good job making sure to be far enough from you you didn't have to think about them or argue with them.

The twitter nazi isn't sealed away like that, he has to see you and your opinions and you have to see his opinions all day every day. It sucks because he's bad and you have to see him. But it's not like it only goes one way. How many somethingawful posters can you click back 20 years in their posts and see them saying horrible bigoted things nonstop that totally grew up to be actually good people largely BECAUSE they kept engaging in the different sort of people on the internet until their worldview broadened?

The internet isn't closing people off, it's pulling them together. You used to be very able to close yourself off and only talk to "your own kind" all day, god, the US even enforced that by law in some circumstances not THAT long ago. The new thing is everyone being able to go look what everyone else is talking about, not that people are talking about it.

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May 22, 2005
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Ghost Leviathan posted:

It's more that social media sites are actively enabling and spreading white supremacy, their communities and propaganda, while socialism is still spreading despite being actively suppressed by literally all authorities.

Hmm, strange, it seems like in polls various expressions of white supremacy were much more common in even the recent past.

Even something as basic as support of "whites marrying non-whites" went from being a minority opinion only about a third of people held when I was born to being held by only a single digit amount of americans in the present.



It actually seems like instead of the idea racism is SPREADING, it's actually become so small that it is deviant and noticeable when someone has such a strange and out of step with society opinion. Same with gay rights, when I grew up homophobia was so common there was kid's movies that called people "faggots", now even the majority of fox news viewers support some amount of basic gay rights, making expressions of it ever more surprising and shocking.

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Owlofcreamcheese
May 22, 2005
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Beowulfs_Ghost posted:

https://www.newsweek.com/82-fox-news-97-oann-newsmax-viewers-believe-trumps-stolen-election-claim-poll-1644756

Those Fox News viewers also on the right side of history when they think the election was stolen from Trump? Or when they think American culture have gotten worse?

Lets see how polite the average Fox News viewer is in an online community of like minded folks.

Google "site:ar15.com human being"

About 32,000 results (0.36 seconds)


I have literally no idea what point you are making?

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