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Tweak posted:I had a good chuckle yesterday when a friend dropped RINGS for the Islanders from 38 years ago against the Kraken who haven't even finished their first (bad) season yet As far as I'm concerned, the Islanders have no cup wins. It's just a fairytale that parents tell their children to comfort them in times of Lou Lamoriellos. And the Rangers are cupless because they won when I was 5 and I didn't give a poo poo about anything then.
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Feb 3, 2022 18:12
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Rotten Cookies posted:And the Rangers are cupless because they won when I was 5 and I didn't give a poo poo about anything then. No that one is entirely legit, the right team won.
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I'm old enough to remember watching the '94 Finals but wasn't old enough to appreciate it was probably the greatest Finals ever played, and I had no idea Messier had already won five Cups.
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I’m killing time while contractors look at our horribly leaking roof so I’m gonna grind an axe real quick about how the Twitter Analytics crowd misuses numbers: https://twitter.com/KPapetti/status/1489278732711907331?s=20&t=IHPSVc3efoVUzljil17eUQ So 1) the metric this guy is using isn’t actually in the chart he posted, so the only reason to post it is to say “hey look, blue is good” and hope nobody reads it, 2) the chart says Holl loving sucks offensively, with negative shot impact and zero xG impact, the blue bar for goals just means that the Leafs stars are scoring in spite of his performance, and 3) if you’re gonna put a stat like “goals for” in your chart to contextualize the offensive rate numbers why is goals against conspicuously missing next to the defensive rates? Because I have a sneaking suspicion it would not be kind to Holl, a defenseman. Additionally it’s strange (not strange at all) that random Twitter boosterism is surging on the heels of the Leafs scoring 20 goals in their last three games. Because Holl’s xGF% was terrible in 2021, it’s only climbed to the number this guy’s claiming because the Leafs have gone on a goal-scoring tear since the start of January. And again, the chart the guy posted shows that Holl is a slight negative on offence so he’s had little to do with that. tl;dr most of the time when someone tries to tell you a bottom pair defender has excellent numbers and is better than you think they’re blowing smoke, even if they post a chart with blue bars
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Tweak posted:I had a good chuckle yesterday when a friend dropped RINGS for the Islanders from 38 years ago against the Kraken who haven't even finished their first (bad) season yet This was the talking point from Wings fans toward Jackets fans the first time they made the playoffs. "LOOK at all these trophies and Stanley Cups we won
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Don't look now but the Pens have settled back into playing like a low seed quick first round exit team.
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Eric the Mauve posted:Don't look now but the Pens have settled back into playing like a low seed quick first round exit team. Don’t get my hopes up.
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Eric the Mauve posted:I'm old enough to remember watching the '94 Finals but wasn't old enough to appreciate it was probably the greatest Finals ever played, and I had no idea Messier had already won five Cups. The Canucks have been in two absolutely fantastic cup finals and lost them both. It sucks really bad.
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Eric the Mauve posted:an Ovechkin leading the league in goals no less!- Oh but he's not! maybe that's the problem T-Bone posted:The Devils are probably the most unwatchable they've been in my lifetime. Hischier looks like he wants to retire. Surely the other shoe is going to drop on Ruff soon. I still have no idea why the gently caress they hired Ruff
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Koopa Kid posted:I’m killing time while contractors look at our horribly leaking roof so I’m gonna grind an axe real quick about how the Twitter Analytics crowd misuses numbers: I look at this and think good actual defence defender with league average offence?
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Darude - Adam Sandstorm posted:I look at this and think good actual defence defender with league average offence? GF/60 and xGA/60 being the same means that he does not exist.
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Darude - Adam Sandstorm posted:I look at this and think good actual defence defender with league average offence? Context is important, the Leafs are a good team offensively, Holl being half a deviation below mean Corsi for is not a good look for him considering the minutes he plays and who he plays them with, and xG is in a similar boat. Which is also why I called out showing GF/60 at all, showing that his team scores way above average while he puts up at or below average offensive rates is not a compliment to him, but the construction of the chart would have you believe that it is. And if we’re gonna show GF/60 why aren’t we showing GA/60 which would be relevant if we’re trying to contextualize this guy as a plus defender. And like I said, these numbers looked starkly different for Holl before the Leafs recent tear, 10% of those minutes come from the last three games where the Leafs trucked their opposition, give it 5 more games and these numbers could once again look different. Which is fine, it’s how numbers work, but attention needs to be paid to when people are posting this stuff because saying “hey this quiet defender has a good xG%” when his team’s averaged 5 goals per game for a month is very similar to saying “hey this guy’s on pace for 164 goals” when someone scores twice in the opener.
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Levitate posted:is The Devils hiring the Rangers bad assistant coach as their head coach and Lou Lamiorello ruining the Islanders are enough blessings for me to not ask questions.
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Tweak posted:I had a good chuckle yesterday when a friend dropped RINGS for the Islanders from 38 years ago against the Kraken who haven't even finished their first (bad) season yet That's when Seattle fans just need to go "1917 suck on that." But even the banter is below mediocre on this team.
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ThinkTank posted:The Canucks have been in two absolutely fantastic cup finals and lost them both. It sucks really bad. Flyers have been in 5 (although 97 was def not a fantastic cup final lol) , so you gotta suffer more sir. At least your goalie from the one run is funny on twitter. Hextall def is not funny and Pelle is dead 😞 (rip Pelle Lindbergh).
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ThinkTank posted:The Canucks have been in two absolutely fantastic cup finals and lost them both. It sucks really bad. it's actually great
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I really enjoyed the 2011 Finals that Vancouver was in
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Koopa Kid posted:Context is important, the Leafs are a good team offensively, Holl being half a deviation below mean Corsi for is not a good look for him considering the minutes he plays and who he plays them with, and xG is in a similar boat. Which is also why I called out showing GF/60 at all, showing that his team scores way above average while he puts up at or below average offensive rates is not a compliment to him, but the construction of the chart would have you believe that it is. I'm really only looking at his xGF and xGA. The GF/60 is noise, that you're correct, reflects the forwards shooting ability and/or luck. Why the GA/60 is missing is nonsense. Corsi is pretty irrelevant when you have good xGF/xGA data imo. Like the chart definitely stinks and was created to "prove" something pretty specififc
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The best cup finals stretch of all came in the early 50s. In 1950 the Red Wings won the cup over the Rangers after Pete Babando scored the double OT winner in game 7. The next year the Leafs beat the Habs in 5 but every single game finished in overtime (the winner scored by Bill Barilko which was immortalized in song by the Tragically Hip song Fifty Mission Cap). There was a brief lull then the Wings won back to back cups in game 7 including the last time a Stanley Cup finals game 7 OT winner was scored (by Tony Leswick in 1954). Those three game 7s in 6 years was the same amount as there was over the next thirty seasons. The only other stretch that came close was 2001-2006 where 4 of 5 cup finals ended in game 7 although the game winning goal came in the 2nd period each time. The game winner hasn't even been scored in the third period of a game 7 since 1971. What I'm saying is we're long overdue for a game 7 cup finals OT and the Leafs better be involved somehow.
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ThinkTank posted:a game 7 cup finals OT I think I might actually die, no matter what teams would be playing
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If any goons wanted to get a start in hockey ops, a good beginning job: https://twitter.com/yahoosportsnhl/status/1489257218599841799?s=21
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Good soup! posted:I think I might actually die, no matter what teams would be playing The last two Cup Finals game 7s (2011 and 2019) were the two highest rated games NBC ever aired and the most viewed games to occur outside the 70s and they were blowout snooze fests. Cup Finals Game 7 OT on ESPN would almost certainly peak as the highest viewed hockey game of all time and launch a renewed surge of interest in the sport. But this is the NHL so that means no series is getting past 5 games over the next eight years.
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The Dirty Burger posted:If any goons wanted to get a start in hockey ops, a good beginning job: I think I'm going to apply.. I know nothing about PR but that's gotta be an asset in this case right?
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T-Bone posted:Pat Verbeek and Ron Hextall wearing suits is funny as hell If Verbeek and Hextall are not challenging prospects to fights, what are we doing as a society
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Misanthrope posted:I think I'm going to apply.. I know nothing about PR but that's gotta be an asset in this case right? Hint: The answer to every question in the application/interview is “None of your loving business”
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Misanthrope posted:I think I'm going to apply.. I know nothing about PR but that's gotta be an asset in this case right? That's okay I've prepped a mock interview questions to help you out. 1) A recent scathing report and subsequent lawsuit have criticized management's cover up of the sexual assault of a former player, and your team has promised to publicize their efforts to improve the organizational culture and help other victims come forward. There is a town hall event coming where the owner is set to speak and a question about this matter is inevitable. What do you do? A) Prepare a carefully worded response highlighting the team's efforts to promote awareness of sexual assault and mental health and foster an environment of openness and accountability across sports OR B) Do nothing, let the owner answer as they please by yelling at a reporter about how the team's efforts to improve their awareness of sexual assault and mental health is none of their business because he didn't like having to fire his golfing buddies.
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Darude - Adam Sandstorm posted:I'm really only looking at his xGF and xGA. The GF/60 is noise, that you're correct, reflects the forwards shooting ability and/or luck. Why the GA/60 is missing is nonsense. Corsi is pretty irrelevant when you have good xGF/xGA data imo. With respect to corsi vs. xG I think it can tell you things about players in certain roles. Like, it’s not surprising to me that a guy with Holl’s skillset isn’t a big driver of xG individually so my follow up thought is “does he at least keep the puck moving in the right direction in the o-zone” and we can see the answer is “lol” But yeah, whole lot of words to say that people can assemble a chart that doesn’t say much and present it as “proof”
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https://twitter.com/PKSubban1/status/1489361202971033611
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I dunno if NHLers are wearing a significantly more protective cup than I do but I can confirm that getting hit in the balls by even a weakly shot puck still hurts like hell.
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NHL Sharpshooter PK Subban
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heehee posted:NHL Sharpshooter PK Subban Assuming the deal is you have to stay there until you take a set number of shots, what’s scarier, someone like Matthews just pinging perfectly placed shots and getting it over with, or watching PK whiz 5 slappers past you before hitting?
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Duckman2008 posted:Ironically Shea Weber for sure would have been the better choice here. Yeah, but PK has more charisma. That's showbiz, baby.
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