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Sinteres posted:As other people have said, they Nazis in question came up when people uncritically passed around media reports that whitewashed the fact that they were covering literal Nazis. You can't post poo poo about heroic resistance fighters ready to stand up against Russian aggression and then get mad when people go hey that individual, not all Ukrainians or all Ukrainian armed forces, but that person, was a Nazi. The only reason to get angry when someone points that out is if you think "good" Nazis can and should be embraced as long as they have the right enemies. Which, coincidentally, is a view the West has often had about fascists. Except literally nobody on the forums was posting any of those stories. It was just brought up out of nowhere to browbeat the thread into admitting that the fascist dictatorship is actually morally superior to the decadent west and shouldn't be resisted. Unironically stanning for this worldview itt 
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GABA ghoul posted:I can even see the rationale somewhat. Aside from the creepiness and privacy aspect, Russia massively supports the political opposition in Germany(especially fascists and neo-nazis) and a sequenced genome could potentially contain valuable information that could be leaked to the opposition during an election. Maybe Scholz and Macron have some secret lovechild or some high predisposition towards neurological diseases that the Nazis can use in a smear campaign. Better not risk that poo poo at all, even if it's a negligible risk. BREAKING: Gene sequencing reveals Emmanuel Macron is a mere mortal, not an Olympian deity of the ancient pantheon as previously claimed. What else is he hiding? If the Russians wanted to analyze any politician's genes because ???? they would just analyze residue from a coffee cup or whatever
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There's poverty in the US, therefore all countries are equally poor, QED
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Feb 15, 2022 16:38
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FishBulbia posted:This is a fascinating look into the Anglo mentality. Due to religious beliefs in predetermination, dating to pre-modern times, many Anglos, in most Anglo states, simply view whatever the powerful authority does as good and godgiven. It is definitly a necessary cultural component to understand their seemingly irrational beliefs. PSA: Opposing Russia is Good
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Nenonen posted:America consists of 50 states represented by 100 senators, all of whose prime responsibility is to bring defense contracts to their home state. And thus F-22, F-35, Zumwalt... It's not like Russian projects fare any better.
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Feb 15, 2022 18:54
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HonorableTB posted:https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1493704138131136516?s=20&t=t3wpXwpnkiH1foC8Y7P3pw Sounds like They Are No AngelsTM
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Feb 15, 2022 23:02
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There's no reason Nazis should be limited to one race. If you are I dunno, Mongolian, you can think that Hitler was onto something, but he failed because the chosen people are actually Mongolians and not Germans. And indeed, there are Mongolian Nazis. Ultimately Nazism just says that the stronger races will conquer the weaker ones.
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Feb 16, 2022 21:51
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Feb 16, 2022 23:14
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The simple fact is the Ukraine harkens to a time when the country was an imperial subject, it has connotations of old colonialist /racist mindset, and is not palatable for the same reasons we no longer talk about Ceylon or Celebes or Malaya or Rumania or Burma... Whether or not it makes grammatical sense is immaterial.
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Charliegrs posted:This speaks more to the west/east divide in the EU. Eastern EU countries tend to be more homophobic, mysognystic, and authoritarian. So naturally they align more with Russia and American conservatives. There's been a massive shift in democratic countries, even the more regressive ones like Poland, on the issue, the contrast between Ukraine and Russia over the past 10 years is pretty staggering in that the former has seen liberalisation of attitudes the latter hasn't. If course East is always going to lag behind the West, on account of only having a single generation that wasn't raised in systems with explicitly fascist monopolistic views of family, gender roles, sexuality etc.
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Feb 17, 2022 09:00
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Private Speech posted:Eh the gender roles thing is complicated; on the one hand there's definitely cultural expectations of submissive attitudes from women, but in terms of participation in the workforce etc. the former communist bloc have been more progressive than the west. If anything it feels more like there hasn't been much progress in the last 30 years compared to the west. It didn't happen in the 90s out of thin air, it happened on the back of at least 30 years of Increasingly pervasive campaigning finally effecting a change. Which represents the very visible 20 years of cultural lag in post-socialist countries. Also the East was definitely not better for women's rights in any way, except some perfunctory political symbolism with no relations to substance, it was very much "be thankful we say we respect you, now shut up and get in line". Meanwhile, again, in the West civic society worked on changing attitudes which eventually bore fruit, something that also has to be done from ground up in the East
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Feb 17, 2022 11:15
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I don't know why anybody is still entertaining somebody who has never posted a single post that wasn't a combination of bad faith / trolling rants in service of a fascist, and outright racism.
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Feb 17, 2022 19:40
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BoldFace posted:Playing Putin's advocate for a second, despite how chaotic things have been for the past few days, I don't think there have been many casualties yet. Broken gas pipes, blown up cars, holes in the walls? Yes. People in body bags? No. There's been over 10 thousand body bags over the course of Putin's incursion of the past 8 years. The question isn't whether Russians are going to start killing people (which is what these false flags usually set up), but whether they are going to start killing many more people than they have been so far.
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Feb 19, 2022 12:31
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Rodiel posted:its not as big a deal as it was 50 years ago, it was a technical thing then. But it should still be a big political thing no matter whos involved. i dont want nukes on the border of my country and i dont blame russia for felling the same! Being worried about hostile guns and nukes on their border is exactly why the whole of Central and European Europe raced to join the NATO as soon as possible, and very obviously for a good reason. The same can't be said about the supposed invisible threats posed to Russia.
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Feb 19, 2022 22:57
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This one post has been most distressing than the past weeks of rending psychological torture over a war looming next door.
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Feb 20, 2022 00:18
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some plague rats posted:NATO itself isn't the empire, it's the mechanism for the expansion of the US empire and for the maintenance of its sphere of influence I guess I'll volunteer to stay within this particular empire and sphere of influence, if the empirical fact is that the only alternative is to become part of a much worse empire / sphere of influence. Perhaps it could be said of any form of cooperation in international relations that it bears aspects of the Empire due to the intrinsic power differential between the involved countries, but is still preferable to going at it alone in a world full of malevolents actors who manifest a far worse version of imperialism. And that this obsession with what about the NATO / EU resembles imperialism induces a tunnel vision blocking the perception of all the things that make these imperial structures different from others.
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Feb 20, 2022 10:52
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UCS Hellmaker posted:Can I say the idea that Russia needs buffer states in case of an invasion is absolutely laughable? It's not 1940 anymore, and the idea that we are going to actively invade a nuclear armed stateis just mind boggling. Russia much like the US is a country that will absolutely use it's nuclear arsenal if threatened by an actual invasion force that is from an actual total war situation. There's absolutely no reason in this day an age that the idea of a buffer states exists, and it's just propaganda by Putin to justify his current actions which are just an excuse to try and strong arm other countries in order try and get what he wants. Same goes for the "oh what's going to stop NATO from placing nukes close to Russia if they expand???", which is just plain nonsense in a world where nuclear submarines exist. Russia just wants the West to give Russia a carte blanche on treating certain countries however they want, namely in the case of Ukraine as a territory to be systematically looted through a puppet kleptocracy, and they call this geopilitics (which is a deplorable concept in itself, but sadly still respected among self-styled"reasonable" and "rational" analysts). steinrokkan fucked around with this message at 12:14 on Feb 20, 2022 |
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GaussianCopula posted:"The West" is only going to react with sanctions whatever he does, because no one wants to start WW3 with nukes over Ukraine. He can hope that the sanctions for "only" taking some land in the east of the country would be merely symbolic.
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Grouchio posted:A SWIFT ban? That's a sanction
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Feb 20, 2022 17:45
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Suggesting that Putin is actually about to do a military takeover of Belarus seems extremely outlandish. Or hat he's diverting attention from Navalny, he doesn't give a crap.
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Feb 20, 2022 22:55
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some plague rats posted:This is just insultingly shameless. Yeah we've got proof the Russians are rubbing their hands together with glee and saying 'god I can't wait to start exterminating vulnerable minority populations! drat I love being an implacable evil!' no you're not allowed to see it. shut up. Get printing, word boy. Because they already do that at home and everywhere they occupy.
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Despera posted:Because they have already done it in the parts they invaded in 2014 And in Georgia in 2008
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The letter says that "Russia has a list of identified Ukrainians" to be "sent to camps". It doesn't allege there would be a wholesale imprisonment of entire populations, it talks about rounding up specific persons, and it builds up on previous work by UN documenting forced internment of dissidents and civil leaders in occupied territories in various facilities. Whether those facilities should or shouldn't bbe called "camps" seems secondary to the fact that Russia has been systematically vanishing, imprisoning, murdering or forcing into exile anybody who embodies the "undesirables" in its newly conquered provinces - be it liberals, civil rights activists, pro-Ukrainian leaders, LGBT activists, or ethnic minorities (Tartars, Georgians in Ossetia). What the letter describes is happening, and if your concern is about the chosen nomenclature, well... steinrokkan fucked around with this message at 09:26 on Feb 21, 2022 |
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Majorian posted:The letter is not speculating like you are, though. It is not saying "there COULD be such a list of people in Ukraine that the Russians are planning to send to camps, based on what we know about some of their past actions." It is saying, "there is such a letter. We know this, because we have intelligence that says so - and no, you may not see this intelligence." Yes, I know, and I believe it to be true. I didn't mean to imply the letter was a speculation. It's pretty clear that based on Russian intelligence activities and the number of Russians abroad suffering from accute defenestration syndrome, Russia is keeping pretty close tabs on its enemies and their movements, and would without a doubt disseminate lists of enemies to round up in case of an invasion. I don't need to see the intelligence saying "Russia is trying to systematically exterminate its dissidents" when I can see Russia trying to exterminate its dissidents with my own two eyes.
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Majorian posted:I acknowledge that I inserted the word "concentration" because that is what the letter clearly is meant to imply. quote:But that is still not what the letter is claiming. The letter is claiming that Russia intends to occupy a significant portion of Ukraine, and has a very real, very literal list of LGBTQ+ people and dissidents to either kill or ship off to camps. The claim that Russia intends to invade and occupy more than just the Donbas is already a significant stretch that needs substantiation. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) steinrokkan fucked around with this message at 09:45 on Feb 21, 2022 |
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LegendaryFrog posted:is a bit much, given that the Washington Post framed the story as "US Claims...", cited their sources including the letter itself, gave contextualizing information, and reached out to the Russian embassy for commentary. Do not report anything that hurts the feelings of
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GABA ghoul posted:https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1495654220288204800?t=zMyU0v3zmQrj7Jwtxq4vaw&s=19 In 2060 every village from Rostov to Voronezh will have a soldier holdout of the Great Military Exercises of 2022 refusing to demobilize without express orders by his long dead superior officer from back then.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Credit where it’s due to Ukrainian munitions, all these explosions and not a single casualty. Including when they “utterly obliterated a border guard site”. RIP cardboard "border checkpoint" in the middle of the woods, 2022-2022
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Feb 21, 2022 12:32
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Alchenar posted:No, Russian propaganda is always terrible. The problem is it's also quite effective within Russia - most people still get their news from the TV and the only stuff on the airwaves is pushing the Kremlin line. It's also effective outside Russia, because 40-50% of people are even worse than the propaganda. I think Russian propaganda arm may operate on the same principles as the scammers who send Nigerian prince emails.
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Feb 21, 2022 12:33
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President Zelensky was quoted by the DPR Press Agency as saying "Somebody had to take Putin home and I noticed he was sitting on HIS SWEET ROSTOV so I grab his SWEET ROSTOV. Oh, just thinking about his SWEET ROSTOV I wish I had his SWEESWEESWEET ROSTOV"
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eke out posted:https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1495768651013754887 It would be racist scaremongering to suggest any of this hints at Russia's aggressive intentions, though
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Baronash posted:Sure, but another one of OP's posts makes this claim: Shortly after 9/11 our Army wanted to do a show of force and place some BMPs at high profile spots that were determined to be potential terrorist attack targets, to do some charade about security precautions etc Most of the BMPs sent broke down before they got there, after much less than 500 km, in much better conditions. AFVs aren't built to do much driving even under optimal circumstances.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:The literal Donbas? Of course not. I think that's it, that's the solution. Let Russia attack Ukraine over Donbas in the marketplace of ideas, by the means of metaphor.
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BoldFace posted:Possible car bomb reported in Luhansk. By the time they are done with the false flags, there will be no city to take over, at this rate
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FishBulbia posted:Again this is all part of Putin's elaborate trolling in revenge for Kosovo Having your whole government marched before TV cameras at gunpoint so they can recite their written speeches declaring undying support for the Leader and The Plan = just trolling
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Knightsoul posted:This would certainly put an end to this mess. Are you living in some kind of alternate reality where Biden hasn't said exactly this very thing multiple times?
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CommieGIR posted:So in other words aligns with what the US said this AM: That they have a list of people to arrest as soon as they get in country. Unsubstantiated! Unsubstantiated, irrational slander! I yell as I shrink into a corncob This is really cool, we broke his brain
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eke out posted:five dimensional chess by Putin who cannily wants his enemies to think he's an aging fascist with a completely broken brain Today begins the new era of mega-realism, as million self-styled internet scholars stroke their neckbeards and proclaim this speech to be the next pinnacle of political pragmatism.
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Imagine being an official dragged into Putin's post-apocalyptic wasteland of an office, forced to mumble something about your opinions on the current crisis to let everybody know your knees are so bent your heels are digging into your skull, and then watching as the man who made you prostrate yourself before him goes on to poo poo his pants on air and completely throw away all credibility he, his country, and you ever had, or ever hoped to possess in the future. Just incredible.
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Conspiratiorist posted:Everyone's reeling their best friend Putin is anti-communist. Imagine learning from the Savior of the world from imperialism himself that the hated Ukrainian Nazi was actually birthed from the very loins of Vladimir Lenin. It takes some time to reckon with this knowledge.
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