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Fuschia tude
Dec 26, 2004

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Nenonen posted:

Israeli government, probably: "Hey, gunning down unarmed protesters in occupied territory is our shtick!"

You joke, but...
https://twitter.com/akarlin0/status/1510533169023533056

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Fuschia tude
Dec 26, 2004

THUNDERDOME LOSER 2019


Caros posted:

In all fairness to the road workers, I imagine it is fairly hard to fix a pot hole so thoroughly stuck in space-time that even the lose stones within it don't move over the course of twenty seven years.

Good on the photographer for making sure that he went through all the effort to match up to the original lighting down to even minute shadows though.

Also the grass height and distribution (including the patches within the pothole, and the random detritus/patches of sunlight on the mound in the back), tree branch length and position, and even the weathering and separation on the boards of the neighbor's fence and barn.

The clone and smudge tools badly used to hide the tire tracks in the foreground and stretch the background building up to infinity are nice touches, though

Fuschia tude fucked around with this message at 03:37 on Apr 8, 2022

Fuschia tude
Dec 26, 2004

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the popes toes posted:

Can they smear mud all over themselves like Arnold did when the Predator was mad at him?

Only for seconds, I imagine, before it heats up to body temperature.

Fuschia tude
Dec 26, 2004

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gay picnic defence posted:

The US has definitely sent a number of counter battery radars to Ukraine. Given Russian doctrine revolves around heavy reliance on artillery anything to reduce their ability to deploy it should throw them off balance.

Is this heavy artillery reliance a weak point or anachronism? Or is it still a perfectly viable way to structure a military?

Fuschia tude
Dec 26, 2004

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Mr. Apollo posted:

:nms:

https://t.me/combat_ftg/705

The aftermath of a dogfight between a Russian Su-34 and a Ukrainian MiG-29.

The Su-34 was shot down (I think you can see parachutes) and then the MiG-29 flys by. I guess the Su-34s are being sent in without any escorts or support.

Why is this set to the Interstellar main theme? :raise:

Fuschia tude
Dec 26, 2004

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Risky Bisquick posted:

Uk tabloids picked it up, it’s not just a Twitter thread. Not worth linking because sources are weak, but who knows.

So it's confirmed false, then.

Fuschia tude
Dec 26, 2004

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Despera posted:

Well no one saw coming the one use of article 5 and it led to a not so popular war

9/11 may have been a black swan event, but invoking Article V over it didn't really cause the Afghanistan or Iraq wars and they were not conducted under its auspices (or really NATO at all).

Fuschia tude
Dec 26, 2004

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JerikTelorian posted:

I have to imagine that this is going to be an absolutely massive block to resuming agricultural operations right? Even if you clear the UXO, chemicals and shards have to be a major concern.

Parts of northeast France are still a dead zone, over a century after the WWI armistice, and not just because of UXO.

Fuschia tude
Dec 26, 2004

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Mr. Smile Face Hat posted:

More like "Russia is still not a democracy after going through a chain of several different forms of dictatorships over centuries". One could maybe make a slight exception for the 1990s, but Yeltsin brilliantly chose Putin as his successor.

No country is inherently incompatible with democracy, I was just expressing that Putin isn't exactly an outlier in his country's history. At the time of his 1993 interview, there would probably have been a lot more people in positions like his with similar opinions.

Uhhhhhhhh Yeltsin isn't exactly a shining example of a savior of democracy, considering right then in 1993 he illegally declared Parliament dissolved, rolled in tanks and started shelling the building and occupied it with soldiers, then decreed they would dissolve and hold new elections and then also banned a bunch of opposition parties.

Fuschia tude
Dec 26, 2004

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raifield posted:

What part of the Siege of Stalingrad do we want revenge on? It just about turned the tide of the entire Eastern campaign in the Allies favor. I imagine most of NATO is rather glad of it, really.

Considering he mentioned Germany with Stalingrad, I'd say them. They probably weren't a fan of it, at the time.

Fuschia tude
Dec 26, 2004

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Rinkles posted:

It was never clear to me to what extent Zelensky publicly denying any possibility of war in the weeks leading up to it was his genuine belief

Probably some amount of wishful thinking, but mostly him trying to keep peace and calm in the face of likely yet another paper tiger sable-rattling from Russian, as had been the case for every provocation since the 2014 invasion.

Fuschia tude
Dec 26, 2004

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the popes toes posted:

200,000 soldiers only equipped for 100,000 soldiers seems a better conclusion.

The old "the first man takes the rifle, the second man takes the ammo" situation?

Fuschia tude
Dec 26, 2004

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Rapulum_Dei posted:

Well you say that but their plant wasn’t detected by the counter espionage apparatus of the target counties so there’s maybe plenty of incompetence to go round.

Edit: that bellingcat reporter is one brave dude considering how the Russians deal with ‘problems’.

"that bellingcat reporter" is Brown Moses, he posts in this thread all the time.

Fuschia tude
Dec 26, 2004

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KitConstantine posted:

Abandoned Russian dug in position. They left everything :stare:
https://twitter.com/666_mancer/status/1569756028824158208?s=20&t=_MIoBnmN7eYMwOqSRmXYwA
No bodies, no damage, it doesn't even look like it was attacked. It looks like the Russians were Raptured out

Who's the guy going "No, me neither" in the background at 0:36? That sounds like a US or Canadian accent. :psyduck:

Fuschia tude
Dec 26, 2004

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I remember early lectures from Snyder's history class were posted here a couple weeks ago. Lectures up to #7 have been recorded and posted by now:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMpkBOTCgCM

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Fuschia tude
Dec 26, 2004

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cinci zoo sniper posted:

The traditionalist interpretation of the etymology, yes. There’s an alternative early 20th century etymology take as well, however, that posits that “oukraina” means a specific territory, in distinction from “okraina” meaning a borderland, e.g., http://litopys.org.ua/pivtorak/pivt.htm - though given the early 20th century history of Ukraine, this etymological take could be argued against as an attempt of revisionism.

Sources I've seen attribute this claim to "Samuil Grondsky", a Polish historian from the mid-1600s, stating that that word had that specific meaning in Polish (as the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth controlled the entire region, including Ukraine, with the ruling class of people and the administrative language both being Polish). That is, that "Ukraine" referred to roughly the same geographic area as "Ukraine" today, rather than to any generic "frontier" along the border of the PLC.

Apparently that's referring to this dude (with versions of that article in Ukrainian and Russian, but not English). And that leads to this digital library copy of his 1672 work (published 1789) History of the Cossack-Polish War. Or, uh, Historia Bello Colacco-Polonicci, because it's in Latin.

I found this section:

quote:

Postmodum, qui inhabitant tractum illum cis Borysthenem, versus Palatinatum Bratslaviensem & Podoliensem, incipiendo inferius a Civitate Rasskoro, sita ad ripam fluvii Dniestri, Latine autem Tyræ, intra alium fluvium, dictum Russice Boh, Latine autem Hippanis, & rursus circa Ladyryn, Hubnie, Nimiroro, Winnica, Chroastoro, Pawotz, Maslorostaro, Machoroka, Trilely, Humany, Kalnik, Manasterzysscze, Czehryn, Sambotorv, Wasilkorv &c. usque ad Albam Russiam, (cujus pars attingit Borysthenem, pars autem extendit se se ferme ad Moscoviam) & ad Polesie, quod ab Alba Russia procedendo, attingit Wolhiniam, & altera parte usque ipsam Lithvaniam vocantur Ukrainscii: sic dicti ideo, quod degant in iis Provinciis, quæ sunt sitæ, quasi ad marginem Regni Poloniæ, respectu aliorum regnorum, utpote Valachia, quam dislimitac Tyras, & camporum defertorum verfus ditiones Tataricas. Margo enim Polonice Kray: inde Ukrajna, quasi Provincia ad fines Regni posita, antiquitus quidem inhabitata, sed postmodum multis Civitatibus ac pagis aucta. Inter hos Cosaccos, jam plures, quam trans Borysthenem reperiuntur equites, qui, Tataris Ditiones suas invadentibus mascule resistebant, & si sorsan illis minus vigilantibus per loca sive campos defertos in partes Podoliæ & Russia irruptionem fecissent, redeuntes folebant egregie retundere, & prædam eripere. Quia veso ifti, omnes recensiti Cosacci, ceu aliquis liber populus, aut miles voluntarius, non semper jussa Regis exequi voluerunt, propterea tempore Stephani Bathorei Regis Poloniæ, ex confilio ejusdem, (qui postquam cognovisset, quam multa adhuc in partibus Ukrajnæ reperiantur inhabitata loca, & quam populosa sic gens illa Russorum, in territoriis Magnatum degentium, suasit, ut ad formam militia Hungarice versus confinia Turcica habitantis, qui Haydones dicuntur, Domini terrettres subditorum suorum filiis, qui complures apud eundem Patrem reperiebantur, darent facultatem uni illorum, exeundi ex possessione sua, ad fervitia Regni subeunda; quod si etiam in bonis Domini fui manserit, dummodo arma tractet, & quoties jussum fuerit a fupremo Generali Exercituum Regni immunitas ei ab omnibus servitiis Domini fui, præsertim ab agiestibus laboribus concedatur), novum Cosaccorum genus est ad inventum, nimirum Rejestrorvi Kozacy, hoc est, in computum seu regestrum recepti, & Regimini Generalis Exercituum Regni subjecti.

Google translate says:

quote:

Afterward, those who inhabit that tract beyond Borysthenes, towards the Palatinate of Bratslav and Podolia, beginning below from the City of Rasskoro, situated on the bank of the river Dniester, but in Latin Tyræ, within another river, called in Russian Boh, but in Latin Hippanis, and again near Ladyryn, Hubnie, Nimiroro, Winnica, Chroastoro, Pawotz, Maslorostaro, Machoroka, Trilely, Humany, Kalnik, Manasterzysscze, Czehryn, Sambotorv, Wasilkorv etc. as far as White Russia, (a part of which reaches Borysthenes, and a part extends itself almost to Moscow) and to Polesia, which, proceeding from White Russia, reaches Wolhinia, and on the other side as far as Lithuania itself, they are called Ukrainscii: so called because they dwell in them The provinces which are situated, as it were, on the edge of the Kingdom of Poland, with respect to other kingdoms, such as Wallachia, which borders Tyra, and the plains carried towards the Tartaric dominions. For the margin of the Polonice Kray: hence Ukraina, as a Province placed at the borders of the Kingdom, anciently indeed inhabited, but afterwards enlarged by many States and villages. Among these Cossacks, already more than across the Borysthenes, are found horsemen, who resisted manfully the invaders of their territories of the Tartars, and if by chance they had made an incursion into the parts of Podolia and Russia, with less vigilance being carried by them through places or plains, they were fond of repulsing them brilliantly on their return, and rescuing the booty. Because you have seen, all the listed Cossacks, whether they were free people or volunteer soldiers, did not always want to carry out the King's commands, therefore in the time of Stephen Bathory, King of Poland, from the same tribe (who, after he had learned how many inhabited places were still to be found in the parts of the Ukraine, and how populous was that nation of the Russians, who lived in the territories of the Magnates, so that, as a form of military service in Hungary towards the Turkish borders, the inhabitants, who are called the Haydons, persuaded the Lord's terrors to the sons of their subjects, who were several with the same Father, to give one of them the ability to leave their possession his own, subjecting himself to the fervor of the Kingdom; that if he remained in the possessions of the Lord, as long as he carried arms, and whenever it was ordered by the supreme general of the Armies of the Kingdom that he should be granted immunity from all the services of the Lord, especially from the labors of the Lord), a new race of Cossacks is to be found , of course Rejestrorvi Kozacy, that is, received into the audit or registry, and of the General Government Subject to the armies of the Kingdom.

I don't know how accurate a translation this is—the last half seems especially iffy—but apparently, according to this mid-1600s Polish writer, "Ukraine" was already being used to refer to that specific southeastern region of the PLC, and "Ukrainian" to that local people who lived there.

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