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Poland also has an issue of extremely high age of medical personnel, due to emigration and low wages (and the declaration of PiS 'let them leave' after the last protest of medical staff should tell you how they've been treated for a while now (tbh longer than PiS was at the helm)). The average age of a nurse in Poland was 53 in 2020 and has been increasing by 0.5 year per year for a while now. mmkay fucked around with this message at 21:36 on Feb 16, 2022 |
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Yeah, like half of our ruling coalition, with addition support in the opposition. It’s completely incoherent xenophobia, which is why the political support is clustered around populist and right-wing parties, which care about bigot vote. Thanks for that, that was a succinct way of putting it. I'd inevitably have been more diplomatic myself I think tikumība is a fairly easy term semantically though. Virtue, in the chastity sense of the word, is a good match. Dzīvesziņa, on the other hand, is a gently caress. Fact of questionable funniness: Older, like interwar and Soviet translations of detective novels/general fiction would sometimes translate "vice squad" or "vice patrol" to "tikumības policija" which then turns into "chastity police".
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a podcast for cats posted:Thanks for that, that was a succinct way of putting it. I'd inevitably have been more diplomatic myself I guess you can translate the word, but conveying what it means in legal sense in Latvian law is something entirely else. I've tried researching that out of boredom, and very quickly ended up with a few 100+ page doctoral dissertations focused on the meaning of tikumība. As for dzīvesziņa, it's just yet another Levits's invention. It's a bit of a pattern with his writing, to come up with plausibly Latvian [compound] words that will give pause even to a majority of native speakers.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:I guess you can translate the word, but conveying what it means in legal sense in Latvian law is something entirely else. I've tried researching that out of boredom, and very quickly ended up with a few 100+ page doctoral dissertations focused on the meaning of tikumība. Ok, I don't have the background to evaluate that. I was considering the semantic meaning only. cinci zoo sniper posted:As for dzīvesziņa, it's just yet another Levits's invention. It's a bit of a pattern with his writing, to come up with plausibly Latvian [compound] words that will give pause even to a majority of native speakers. He's a German taught legal scholar, his wordcompoundingwillingnessheit makes sense from that point of view. I'd disagree about the word being his invention though. I'm fairly certain/have foggy memories of it being a common term in the 80s-90s folklore circles. Life wisdom encoded in songs and tradition, the like.
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https://twitter.com/Dzelzis1/status/1493865237803675654a podcast for cats posted:Ok, I don't have the background to evaluate that. I was considering the semantic meaning only. Legally, it is "defined" like this (this is written by a Latvian law academic):  So if we then go to article 116 of our constitution: quote:Personas tiesības, kas noteiktas Satversmes deviņdesmit sestajā, deviņdesmit septītajā, deviņdesmit astotajā, simtajā, simt otrajā, simt trešajā, simt sestajā un simt astotajā pantā, var ierobežot likumā paredzētajos gadījumos, lai aizsargātu citu cilvēku tiesības, demokrātisko valsts iekārtu, sabiedrības drošību, labklājību un tikumību. Uz šajā pantā minēto nosacījumu pamata var ierobežot arī reliģiskās pārliecības paušanu. quote:(1) Izglītības sistēma nodrošina izglītojamā tikumisko audzināšanu, kas atbilst Latvijas Republikas Satversmē ietvertajām un aizsargātajām vērtībām, īpaši tādām kā laulība un ģimene.  a podcast for cats posted:He's a German taught legal scholar, his wordcompoundingwillingnessheit makes sense from that point of view. I'd disagree about the word being his invention though. I'm fairly certain/have foggy memories of it being a common term in the 80s-90s folklore circles. Life wisdom encoded in songs and tradition, the like. cinci zoo sniper fucked around with this message at 22:27 on Feb 16, 2022 |
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Yes, that was the intent all along, nobody was attempting to hide it as far as I recall. I've heard, but cannot verify, that the outcomes have been predictable - worse sex ed, more abortions and STIs. But kids were saved from learning about gays.
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a podcast for cats posted:Yes, that was the intent all along, nobody was attempting to hide it as far as I recall. I've heard, but cannot verify, that the outcomes have been predictable - worse sex ed, more abortions and STIs. But kids were saved from learning about gays. I agree with you, 10.1 was blatant. I’m just politely venting that our laws every now and then have “you may not live the wrong way” clause, which is a bit counterproductive in the era of hot takes and open borders.
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On a topic of local EE products: I've bought a table in a furniture shop, and found out that it was made in Belarus when it was delivered. Pretty surprising considering how much of furniture is made in Poland. Nice thing about it was the best manual I've ever seen in any furniture product I've ever assembled. The worst was a folding bed/sofa where I had to find a loving company catalogue to see how the end product should look like.
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Someone brought this up in a derail in the Ukraine thread, but it got drowned out. I found it interesting though. Private Speech posted:Eh the gender roles thing is complicated; on the one hand there's definitely cultural expectations of submissive attitudes from women, but in terms of participation in the workforce etc. the former communist bloc have been more progressive than the west. If anything it feels more like there hasn't been much progress in the last 30 years compared to the west. steinrokkan posted:It didn't happen in the 90s out of thin air, it happened on the back of at least 30 years of Increasingly pervasive campaigning finally effecting a change. Which represents the very visible 20 years of cultural lag in post-socialist countries. Also the East was definitely not better for women's rights in any way, except some perfunctory political symbolism with no relations to substance, it was very much "be thankful we say we respect you, now shut up and get in line". Meanwhile, again, in the West civic society worked on changing attitudes which eventually bore fruit, something that also has to be done from ground up in the East Private Speech posted:There's quite a famous gender studies book which came out recently called "Why Women Have Better Sex Under Socialism - And Other Arguments for Economic Independence" which argues the opposite, at least as far as women's rights go. I'm male, not particularly young, and certainly out of my depth when speaking about gender issues, but the name of book caught my eye and I looked up an interview with the author: https://www.vox.com/identities/2018/12/12/18125659/women-sex-socialism-feminism-kristen-ghodsee The interview addresses the elephant in the room - specifically the reality that women were expected to both work and carry out unpaid domestic labour - a couple of times, so that's good, but I'm a bit baffled that the idea got legs to begin with. Anyway. If I ever get the time and ability to focus back, I'd like to do get around to tracking down the early books of the first Latvian sexologist. I found a few articles of his in a few glasnost era magazines when periodika.lv opened up for public access during the pandemic and based on that I imagine that they must be wonderfully unhinged, but also very interesting.
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Way to leave me out.  cinci zoo sniper posted:Gender roles in Eastern Europe are a mixed bag, in my lived experience. For instance, ~98% murders happening in Latvia (so like, 54 out of 55 annual murders) are due to domestic violence, and our right wing parties keep successfully blocking ratification of Istanbul convention. At the same time, if you look at representation of women in business and politics in Latvia - we have some of the highest numbers in Europe, ahead of, e.g., the alleged feminist paradise of Sweden. We have cognitive dissonance going on nationally, basically, where women are trusted to know how to work, but not how to lead a life. Edit: Ronya made good post on the topic too ronya posted:“The Soviets have not really refuted the theory that woman’s place is in the home, but have expanded it into a new theory which holds that women’s place is in the factory as well as in the home." - Bette Stavrakis, 1961 cinci zoo sniper fucked around with this message at 12:59 on Feb 17, 2022 |
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https://ridl.io/en/russia-s-genz-progressive-or-reactionary/ was a fun read to dispel notions of "well, at least the [Russian] kids are alright" lol wut that jump in the "men are just better at business" graph
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Reading an article (In Danish, unfortunately) that makes some pretty interesting claims. Hope you all can help: Are the Crimean people largely pro-Russian? Russia felt "threatened by the Kosovo/Serbia bombings and the later incursions into Afghanistan" and this was a reason they've expanded their armament?
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CMYK BLYAT! posted:https://ridl.io/en/russia-s-genz-progressive-or-reactionary/ was a fun read to dispel notions of "well, at least the [Russian] kids are alright" In my English textbooks there's a lesson that talks about risks, modals of probability and verbs of movement and the theme was driving. The listening task was a radio interview of someone who worked in the insurance industry and there was the point that women were safer drivers. I lost count of the times where the adult male students would dead-rear end say that men are still better drivers, because being a safer driver doesn't mean you're better. 
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Tias posted:Reading an article (In Danish, unfortunately) that makes some pretty interesting claims. Hope you all can help: Yes, Crimea is overwhelmingly pro-Russia because it always had the very special status due to Sevastopol being the main hub for Black Sea fleet. Despite the geography, Crimea was transferred into administrative direction of Ukrainian SSR only under Khrushev. However, there is a sizable (around 200 000) population of Crimean Tatars there. They suffered under Stalin's deportations, so understandably, they are extremely opposed to the current imperialistic-revanchist course of Russia and their main organisation, Mejlis, was deemed as "extremist" and banned by Russian government. Kosovo was indeed the first time the modern Russia went against NATO diplomatically, but Afghanistan invasion was eagerly supported by Russia (because in coincided with the second Chechen War and Russia's own anti-terrorist activities). As late as 2012 Russia actually offered NATO to build a transit base on its territory for logistical support, but the project went nowhere.
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Tias posted:Are the Crimean people largely pro-Russian? Not conclusively so, if we talk about pre-annexation time frame. Sevastopol (largest city, ~15% of peninsula’s population) could’ve been described as majority pro-Russian, but peninsula on the whole was just Russian speakers with mixed opinions on their true allegiances. For example, the native population of Crimea, Crimean Tatars, would at times poll at ~30% support for statement “the ideal territorial status for Crimea is an autonomous region of Turkey”. This is the kind of question where “pro-Russian” needs to be more specific. Majority of peninsula spoke Russian and viewed Russia as a friend, and distrusted NATO/EU/West, but the question of becoming a part of Russia became more nuanced after the 2008 Russia-Georgia war. Tias posted:Russia felt "threatened by the Kosovo/Serbia bombings and the later incursions into Afghanistan" and this was a reason they've expanded their armament? Russia definitely was angered by Serbia, their client state, not doing well in war, but they had a host of their own issues at the time, so I’m not sure anyone in the establishment had reasons or motivation to feel threatened per se. I’m not sure I understand the Afghanistan parallel your article attempts to draw.
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Cool, cool. Osipova lost her Supreme Court nomination due to "culture war" hand wringing. Valainis can go gently caress himself. https://www.lsm.lv/raksts/zinas/latvija/bijuso-satversmes-tiesas-priekssedetaju-osipovu-neievele-par-augstakas-tiesas-tiesnesi.a443985/
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It’s really windy here as well (I’m like 400 km north of Poland). Not that windy, however. Edit: https://www.coindesk.com/policy/2022/02/16/bank-of-russia-proceeds-with-digital-ruble-renews-push-for-crypto-ban/ Looks like crypto crackdown is back on the menu for Bank of Russia. cinci zoo sniper fucked around with this message at 18:54 on Feb 17, 2022 |
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Good news, everyone! The Sims 4 expansion pack My Wedding Stories will be published in Russia after all!   EA originally came to the conclusion that Russia's anti-homo propagation laws would prevent the local publication of the pack, which very noticeably allows same sex weddings as featured in the pack's trailers.But they forgot that the game already allows homosexual relations, which is why the game is Adults Only in Russia, and the anti-homo propaganda law only forbids gay propaganda to minors! Hahaha, what a bunch of klutzes! https://www.pcgamer.com/the-sims-4-my-wedding-stories-will-be-released-in-russia-after-all-unaltered-and-unchanged/
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Kind of a good previous post to work on because I was curious about homosexuality/sexual minorities in Eastern Europe. I’ll start by saying that I know little about EE with regards to sexual minorities other than Poland having the anti LGBT zones, Russia lawmakers equating homosexuality with pedophilia or sexual perversion, Chechen camps. I’m casting a real wide net here, but how much of this starts from the top and trickles down? How much of the population of Eastern European counties actually care about LGBT rights? Again forgive the clumsiness of the question, but if anyone has input on it. I’d like to travel over there at some point in the future but not if I’m gonna be tortured and murdered.
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It's bad, there's no other way to put it. In broad strokes, if you're not a cishet - expect violence from "fellow" citizens. As a tourist, you should be fine in pretty much any capital, but you could still be subjected to violence even for things as trivial as holding the hand of your spouse in public. And yeah, it does start at the top. Weirdly enough, the people propagating the hate often have quite the closets.
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Like an important ally of Orban getting busted for violating Brussel's anti-Covid measures when the police caught him at an underground gay orgy.
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 Anecdotally, seems about right. I've seen ani-lgbt protests in Poland, had a young barber complain about gay and trans people in Czechia, and there were some attacks on pride parade in Ukraine. OTOH my trans cousin had a lot of support, but that's among her computer toucher friends in Kiev. Can't imagine this going well with randos in some poo poo hole village.
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Lol, also wtf for LIechtenstein, San Marino and Monaco. What's wrong with these places?? I know it's not EE, but Monaco is basically just one city, how is the LGBTQ situation so bad there? Aristocrats... evil?? I'm very positively surprised by Montenegro, what's the story there?
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Torrannor posted:Like an important ally of Orban getting busted for violating Brussel's anti-Covid measures when the police caught him at an underground gay orgy. To be more precise, a co-founder of Orban’s party was caught in a drug-fuelled orgy of 25 dudes, and tried to flee the police through a window. He voted along the party lines on all major occasions of sexual minority rights being restricted, if I recall correctly. Soviet Communist party officials were also fond of particularly, khem, steamy sauna sessions in all-male company. Unfortunately, sometimes in a significantly more disturbing company as well. Albeit in a diminished form, the “tradition” was continued in Russian Federation as well.
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Torrannor posted:Lol, also wtf for LIechtenstein, San Marino and Monaco. What's wrong with these places?? I know it's not EE, but Monaco is basically just one city, how is the LGBTQ situation so bad there? Aristocrats... evil?? Really small, really Catholic, not members of the EU and there just hasn't been a lot of push to codify gay marriage or anti-discrimination laws. I don't think a lot of it reflects deep seated antigay feelings in those three countries....there's just not a big gay rights movement to push legislation. As for Montenegro, there's a lot more actual anti-gay feeling, with like 70% of the population saying being gay is immoral, but the government was made up of a Democratic Party of Socialists coalition, which made gay rights laws a legislative priority and got them through. Basically, that maps only looks at legal protections, not public sentiment.
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Torrannor posted:Lol, also wtf for LIechtenstein, San Marino and Monaco. What's wrong with these places?? I know it's not EE, but Monaco is basically just one city, how is the LGBTQ situation so bad there? Aristocrats... evil?? Here's the source: https://rainbow-europe.org/#8650/0/0 Seems like Montenegro has lots of anti-discrimination and hate crime laws (but no marriage). Monaco has almost nothing lol. How that works in practice, I've no ideal, but it's possible it's actually better in Monaco.
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alex314 posted:On a topic of local EE products: I've bought a table in a furniture shop, and found out that it was made in Belarus when it was delivered. Pretty surprising considering how much of furniture is made in Poland. Nice thing about it was the best manual I've ever seen in any furniture product I've ever assembled. The worst was a folding bed/sofa where I had to find a loving company catalogue to see how the end product should look like. Borisovdrev are good at their jobs. I think they made some stuff for ikea before the whole disaster. You want pine, oak bed, whatever? You got it. Our gdp is made not from natural rent like russia but from actual work and being good. Thats what makes me hate lukashenko the most, that he has no idea where money comes from and other belarusians who loving toil regardless
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buglord posted:Kind of a good previous post to work on because I was curious about homosexuality/sexual minorities in Eastern Europe. There's a decent amount of coverage from region-focused media: https://www.calvertjournal.com/tags/show/tag/lgbtq https://eurasianet.org/search?keywords=LGBT I wouldn't say it's particularly top-down thing: homophobia isn't new and there are plenty of populations within the region that have large conservative religious segments. The degree to which the governments weaponize this into policy to win the support of that segment varies considerably.
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It's important to note that despite posturing, Russia is not a very religious country. Church attendance is roughly on the same level as in Czechia, the most atheist European country. Homophobia in modern Russia is rooted more in the Soviet era anti-bourgeoisie rhetoric and prison culture than in religious fundamentalism. The religious component is more visible because religious groups are more organised than apolitical and barely religious general population. Additionally, Russian government tries to establish the Russian Orthodox Church as kind of an equivalent of modern Church of England or Danish National Church, a primarily cultural institution, where actual religious adherence is not necessarily the top priority.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Way to leave me out. That was semi-intentional, I wanted to add an anecdote/observation in an edit and changed my mind later on. Too long didn't write was that in my experience Baltic and Polish women who emigrate abroad often don't realise just how amazing their skillsets and experience often are. Something something educational system cultivated impostor syndrome and something something business culture of creeping responsibility without adjusting pay or recognition. Somaen posted:Speaking for the Baltics, the LGB couples that I know visiting here don't show affection in public, you will get stared at and possibly yelled at by god-fearing middle aged women or macho thugs. There is still a way to go as a society and just learning to mind your own business. In 2010 during our first pride parade march the marchers were fenced off and protected by hundreds of policemen against a counter-protest of thousands of neonazis and... more archaic layers of society, can't choose a word here. Right now we have them every year (instead of once per capital city iirc) and they're very fun and safe, with tiny counter-protests of total harmless freaks Unfortunate, but true. https://eng.lsm.lv/article/society/crime/police-find-no-criminal-offense-in-alleged-homophobic-assault-last-year.a406049/
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a podcast for cats posted:That was semi-intentional, I wanted to add an anecdote/observation in an edit and changed my mind later on. Too long didn't write was that in my experience Baltic and Polish women who emigrate abroad often don't realise just how amazing their skillsets and experience often are. Something something educational system cultivated impostor syndrome and something something business culture of creeping responsibility without adjusting pay or recognition. Definitely something I see in my wife - but if I'm being honest also in a lot of the Dutch women around me. Sexism and the unfair demands and expectations it places on women know no boundaries
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