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Admiralty Flag
Jun 7, 2007

to ride eternal, shiny and chrome

THUNDERDOME LOSER 2022

roomtone posted:

it was good.

pano dano's performance and overall role was kinda whatever, but the trailers didn't excite me anyway. his actual motivation was good though, totally made sense and progressed batman's character arc. his final act of flooding the city and planning to kill hundreds, maybe thousands of random civilians didn't make sense but they needed something HUGE i guess.

i think people are bothered that there's not much bruce wayne in this movie but that's one of it's strengths. bruce wayne's non-batman life isn't interesting.

selina/cat was one of the best parts of the movie and i like that they made it a love story between her and batman.

i was never fully loving it but i liked it pretty much all the way through. people saying the third act is unnecessary are just wrong. if you're gonna cut something out of this to make it shorter, you can cut some of the detective stuff on what riddler's up to because none of it is that clever apart from the first one. el rata whatever was actually kind of stupid, now that i think about it.

but mostly the slow pace and (for a comic movie) sparse action was good. this is about the right level of realistic reimagining for batman world, i think. joker was just boring until the last 20 minutes.

It's amazing that I can disagree so vehemently with the middle of your post but agree fully with the first and last paragraphs.

The movie was 30 minutes too long and the third act needed to end naturally, not with the big crisis extension. I know that the whole point of the catastrophe was to provide a framework for vengeance --> hope but that could have been done so many other ways, like Batman rescuing the ex-Mayor's son from a kidnapping, which would have bolstered the whole sins of the father theme; after all, here's another kid who had a corrupt father and was about to lead a privileged life because of that fact.

As in all Batman movies, the cops are total idiots, too. Once the APB goes out on Batman, why not station a SWAT sniper overlooking the building with the Bat-signal? Why am I so disturbed by this minor point? Bat-signal not on police HQ? I mean, it would have started to appear on the route of those open-topped bus tours of downtown Gotham like the second week it was in operation!

The love story was just pasted on. Ugh. Without a real look at Bruce Wayne -- not Batman, and I believe that the "Bruce is the mask/Batman is the real identity" interpretation is a facile one -- you can't have a meaningful love story in a Batman movie.

Riddler as an intelligent Ted Cruz Zodiac-type who's even smarter than a detective Batman was a welcome sight, as that's one of the few ways he's a believable threat to Batman.

All in all, a much more grounded and realistic (except for Act 3 part 2) Batman than we've seen even with Nolan's earlier Bat-films.

e: removed "grittier" because it's not grittier than Nolan; Dark Knight Returns got into the psychological aspect of "exactly how far over the line can a vigilante go before he's a criminal" while this movie basically tells us to accept the Batman's actions as justified

Admiralty Flag fucked around with this message at 18:43 on Mar 20, 2022

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