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91 | 21.06% |
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67 | 15.51% |
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The Russian military and particularly Russian navy is just a shadow of what it was in Soviet days, but Russia has continued to upgrade their nuclear forces (and maintain the boomers) whereas the US hasn't built any new warheads in decades and we're just hoping that a bunch of nerds and supercomputers at Lawrence Livermore are right about our stockpile still working Did you guys never hear about the Russian autonomous seaborne nuclear armed drones or what
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Feb 22, 2022 08:06
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maybe this makes me a bad leftist but I was kinda hoping the Russian nukes are shittier than ours
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Feb 22, 2022 08:07
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Feb 22, 2022 08:08
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StashAugustine posted:maybe this makes me a bad leftist but I was kinda hoping the Russian nukes are shittier than ours i live right in a purple triangle/black dot zone so i hope the opposite.
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Feb 22, 2022 08:57
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tim kaine in the membrane
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Feb 22, 2022 09:19
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OK baizuo posted:The Russian military and particularly Russian navy is just a shadow of what it was in Soviet days, but Russia has continued to upgrade their nuclear forces (and maintain the boomers) whereas the US hasn't built any new warheads in decades and we're just hoping that a bunch of nerds and supercomputers at Lawrence Livermore are right about our stockpile still working Didn't the Bush admin start work on "tactical" nuclear missiles? Or did that (hopefully) go nowhere?
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Feb 22, 2022 09:30
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Kreeblah posted:So, like, what's the motive here? Are there resources in Ukraine that Putin wants? Labor? Or maybe just flexing on Europe/the US and daring us to do something, or wanting to get the Soviet Union back together? He's the Russian version of all those English people bemoaning the loss of Empire.
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Feb 22, 2022 11:18
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i actually read a post-facto translation of the speech and my read of that passage is more "there are bits of ukraine which are really not ukrainian so it's ok for me to bite chunks out of it" than "there is no such thing as ukraine, it's all made up by lenin as a judeo-bolshevik plot". like, he says "modern ukraine" was made up by the soviets, not "ukraine" period. this seems to be a reference to e.g. the transfer of the crimea to the ukrainian SSR under khrustchev than a statement about the nation of ukraine as such it's still legitimising state aggression, but it sets out a rather different set of objectives and ambitions
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Feb 22, 2022 11:24
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PawParole posted:How long will it take to capture Kiev? 2 days
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Feb 22, 2022 11:44
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tbh i feel bad for zelinskij, dude just wanted to be the peace candidate and ended up in this huge mess
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Feb 22, 2022 11:46
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You know Neo Cons are hoping for the real-life version of Tom Clancy (Asiatic hordes defeated by plucky white midwest guys) novel but this will probably end in another west laughingstock story
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Feb 22, 2022 11:47
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V. Illych L. posted:tbh i feel bad for zelinskij, dude just wanted to be the peace candidate and ended up in this huge mess
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Feb 22, 2022 12:34
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Feb 22, 2022 12:34
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PawParole posted:How long will it take to capture Kiev? 2 days
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Feb 22, 2022 12:34
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-DNVzU2Pco&t=519s
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Feb 22, 2022 12:38
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I can't believe how excited I am for the Futanari Damacy has issued a correction as of 03:30 on Oct 26, 2022 |
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Feb 22, 2022 15:28
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My (extremely loving limited) understanding of recent Russian imperialisms from trying to piece together bits of news and writings and podcasts seems to suggest that Putin will do whatever is politically-convenient that reinforces his image as a powerful leader, and contesting little swatches of border nations is pretty politically-convenient since the governments of most of the western world have disappeared up their own assholes and couldn't form a coherent response to material reality or define coherent political objectives even if they wanted to. A lot of it also seems to come down to taking advantage of the complexities of political and cultural tensions in eastern europe, a topic about which I knew gently caress and all before trying to research any of this because in US media it's always boiled down to national hegemons, with nations being presented as discrete monolithic cultural blocs, and That Perfidious Putin Character being a comic book villain (which he kind of is, just in much the same way most world leaders are instead of being some special unique brand of stupid). Having attempted to understand, I now feel confident in stating that I still know gently caress All about the subject. So, more or less, the Russian military isn't great, but it doesn't have to be if they can just send money and supplies to disgruntled, marginalized groups and chalk it up as PR wins, with no larger objective apparent for the immediate future other than 'having friendly buffer states while the world is going to poo poo is probably a good idea, politically'. War isn't great, imperialism isn't great, and this sucks for anyone stuck in those regions who didn't want a stupid mini-civil-war over nothing, but this also isn't really that effectual on the international scale in spite of liberal warhawks being incensed that their perfectly-static political maps are being challenged. Is that...approximately accurate? Somewhere along the right lines? Like, I dunno, maybe I missed the part where this actually somehow a legitimate precursor to WW3 or how this is fighting over some magical resource that will place Russia in control of world politics, or something, it just seems like a never-ending series of abstruse border spats spurred on by imperialism and regional tensions, which is also used as a convenient political cludge by warhawks in the US and EU who would be incapable of putting together any kind of coherent response anyways.
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Feb 22, 2022 15:33
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The dead from COVID professor Stephen F Cohen said something about Russia creating breakaway regions in Georgia and Ukraine because NATO has a clause about not being allowed to induct new members who have frozen but active conflicts. That read is that the Nazi's Again Taking Over organization is causing everything. Which is true. But then again NATO doesn't care about rules so i dunno if it actually applies.
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Feb 22, 2022 15:39
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fanfic insert posted:The dead from COVID professor Stephen F Cohen said something about Russia creating breakaway regions in Georgia and Ukraine because NATO has a clause about not being allowed to induct new members who have frozen but active conflicts. NATO cares about those rules because having breakaway regions in member states is a massive liability. Besides, the Abkhazia & South Ossetia breakaway regions in Georgia go all the way back to the dissolution of the Soviet Union, and were hardly cultivated by Russia as an anti-NATO bulwark 15 years before Bush would table Georgia & Ukraine's candidacy at the Budapest summit. Attributing everything to Russian direction is a denial of the self-determination of those peoples.
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Feb 22, 2022 15:44
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To those who worry about this whole thing triggering a nuclear war, please recall that Russia launched a full scale invasion of Georgia in 2008 and nobody did poo poo
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Feb 22, 2022 15:46
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Kreeblah posted:So, like, what's the motive here? Are there resources in Ukraine that Putin wants? Labor? Or maybe just flexing on Europe/the US and daring us to do something, or wanting to get the Soviet Union back together? keep NATO out of ukraine
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Feb 22, 2022 15:48
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Marx Headroom posted:To those who worry about this whole thing triggering a nuclear war, please recall that Russia launched a full scale invasion of Georgia in 2008 and nobody did poo poo It wasn't a full scale invasion. They didn't even reach Tbilisi.
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Feb 22, 2022 15:53
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sending thoughts and prayers to the noble and rave citizens of the peoples republics of donetsk and luhansk
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Feb 22, 2022 15:57
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:It wasn't a full scale invasion. They didn't even reach Tbilisi. it also wasn't an invasion at all. the georgians crossed the red line which they'd been warned about but figured they'd have us backing
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Feb 22, 2022 15:57
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StashAugustine posted:maybe this makes me a bad leftist but I was kinda hoping the Russian nukes are shittier than ours back in the Cold War days Soviet nukes were less precisely accurate which is why they had more of them and resisted arms control treaties that tried to limit the US and USSR to equal numbers of warheads, because for them an equal deterrent required a higher number of nukes to be certain of inflicting the same amount of damage. I don't know if that remains true today though
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Feb 22, 2022 15:59
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this is the new succ thread
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Feb 22, 2022 16:02
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R. Guyovich posted:it also wasn't an invasion at all. the georgians crossed the red line which they'd been warned about but figured they'd have us backing Russian forces did cross the borders of Abkhazia & S. Ossetia to prove their point that Georgia was powerless to stop them, which I would call an invasion. It's splitting hairs over semantics anyway. The point is that Russia wasn't interested in invading Georgia, they just rolled up the army after their attack on S. Ossetia and secured the breakaway regions even more from Georgian influence.
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Feb 22, 2022 16:03
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:It wasn't a full scale invasion. They didn't even reach Tbilisi. 
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Feb 22, 2022 16:14
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crepeface posted:this is the new succ thread no.
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Feb 22, 2022 16:16
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im sorry that's what's going to happen
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Feb 22, 2022 16:16
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A "full-scale" invasion is a much more loaded turn of phrase than combined arms cooperating with a single Russian army group which only barely penetrated the Georgian border. Don't quote from Wikipedia like it's authoritative. If you're talking about a full-scale invasion you should be thinking of Barbarossa.
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Feb 22, 2022 16:17
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Red Army's poo poo, but Putin's banking on the idea that the West won't gently caress with anyone who has nukes and the Euros are too dependent on his gas. And he's right in that we won't directly get in a fight with the Russian Army, but we will gently caress with his money and shove Ukraine full of guns and bombs. Imperial corporate states beefing over turf. Going to suck to be caught up in the middle.
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Feb 22, 2022 17:08
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https://twitter.com/pawelwargan/status/1495836351060664330 hell yeah
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Feb 22, 2022 19:04
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We at war yet?
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Feb 22, 2022 19:54
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PawParole posted:How long will it take to capture Kiev? 2 days What are other questions that should/can be asked?
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Feb 22, 2022 20:09
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PawParole posted:How long will it take to capture Kiev? 2 days Thank you for your input, comrade Grover-Chov
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Feb 22, 2022 20:29
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Does anyone else hate being the person who can remember things? https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1496206015825649666?s=20&t=ruoj2dH1KcaExrz-yTouiw
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Feb 22, 2022 20:36
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evergreen tweet https://twitter.com/osamabishounen/status/1039986715417399296
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Feb 22, 2022 20:46
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Ukraine in the membrane
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(Ukraine in the brain)
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