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Hajotus Maximus posted:This is pretty interesting, because the ham-fisted way that the Russian Empire tried to russify Finland in part gave birth to the idea of Finland as an independent nation.
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psydude posted:The Russian language thing was always a red herring. Khvarkiv and Odessa are Russian speaking regions, and Russia has had no qualms about indiscriminately bombing civilians there. Same thing goes for Mauripol.
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Lovely Joe Stalin posted:My reading was that he's saying that his initial reaction was, like most of us, "haha oh my god, what the gently caress are the Russians doing?" followed by him thinking "oh, something like this did work before, in a different context." And what I took to be his belief, without any comment on the validity of Ukraine's right to defend itself, that Zelensky and the Ukranians are being used as a convenient sanding block to wear down one of the west's major geopolitical opponents. Just a little genocide that nobody will hardly even notice! Who even talks about the Armenians anymore?
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DTurtle posted:Is it really that crude? CanCon! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_content
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Grip it and rip it posted:Just a little genocide that nobody will hardly even notice! Who even talks about the Armenians anymore?  -- Najwan Darwish, Palestinian poet (2014)
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Herman Merman posted:Amplified the idea of Finland as an independent state apart from the Russian Empire for sure, but the Finnish nationalist aspirations started already in the 1820s, and the Russification policies that resulted in significant pushback only started in 1899. It may not have had a large influence, but Empress Elizabeth of Russia gave the initial push in 1742 by offering the nobility who lived in Finland a chance to become their own kingdom provided that they also become the subjects of the imperial crown. The proposal was never really seriously implemented because Sweden folded the next year and the border went to Kymijoki, giving Russia series of border fortifications so no "buffer kingdom" between the two was needed. But nevertheless, that must have been one seed of influence that about a 70 years later with the grand duchy status bloomed to the idea of "hey we really could manage ourselves instead of taking orders from Stockholm or St. Petersburg". So it can be argued that both Imperial Russia and USSR gave Finland independence, but the first time around the nobles were too slow to sign the paperwork.
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