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Hajotus Maximus posted:This is pretty interesting, because the ham-fisted way that the Russian Empire tried to russify Finland in part gave birth to the idea of Finland as an independent nation.
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psydude posted:The Russian language thing was always a red herring. Khvarkiv and Odessa are Russian speaking regions, and Russia has had no qualms about indiscriminately bombing civilians there. Same thing goes for Mauripol.
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Lovely Joe Stalin posted:My reading was that he's saying that his initial reaction was, like most of us, "haha oh my god, what the gently caress are the Russians doing?" followed by him thinking "oh, something like this did work before, in a different context." And what I took to be his belief, without any comment on the validity of Ukraine's right to defend itself, that Zelensky and the Ukranians are being used as a convenient sanding block to wear down one of the west's major geopolitical opponents. Just a little genocide that nobody will hardly even notice! Who even talks about the Armenians anymore? (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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DTurtle posted:Is it really that crude? CanCon! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_content
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Grip it and rip it posted:Just a little genocide that nobody will hardly even notice! Who even talks about the Armenians anymore?  -- Najwan Darwish, Palestinian poet (2014)
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Herman Merman posted:Amplified the idea of Finland as an independent state apart from the Russian Empire for sure, but the Finnish nationalist aspirations started already in the 1820s, and the Russification policies that resulted in significant pushback only started in 1899. It may not have had a large influence, but Empress Elizabeth of Russia gave the initial push in 1742 by offering the nobility who lived in Finland a chance to become their own kingdom provided that they also become the subjects of the imperial crown. The proposal was never really seriously implemented because Sweden folded the next year and the border went to Kymijoki, giving Russia series of border fortifications so no "buffer kingdom" between the two was needed. But nevertheless, that must have been one seed of influence that about a 70 years later with the grand duchy status bloomed to the idea of "hey we really could manage ourselves instead of taking orders from Stockholm or St. Petersburg". So it can be argued that both Imperial Russia and USSR gave Finland independence, but the first time around the nobles were too slow to sign the paperwork.
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Herman Merman posted:Yes, from Russia's perspective, but that's not my point. The minority whose rights were infringed by the language policies weren't Russians but rather Russian-speaking Ukrainians. I think you mean Rusyns
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The Door Frame posted:I think you mean Rusyns Rusyns would be an actual minority whose language, which is neither Russian nor Ukrainian needs more respect, rather than Russified Ukrainians.
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OddObserver posted:Rusyns would be an actual minority whose language, which is neither Russian nor Ukrainian needs more respect, rather than Russified Ukrainians.  Rusyns are a minority who have fought for recognition in the area
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Herman Merman posted:Amplified the idea of Finland as an independent state apart from the Russian Empire for sure, but the Finnish nationalist aspirations started already in the 1820s, and the Russification policies that resulted in significant pushback only started in 1899. Shiiiiit, you're right. For some reason I was under the assumption that the idea about Finland as a separate nation wasn't finalized until after Bobrikov. So it was more about the Russian Empire trying to russify a nation that already saw itself as a separate national entity.
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Nicholas II was such a dumbass tzar. His predecessors were very popular in Finland and he managed to become hated in a hurry.
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Alexander II even today has a statue in Helsinki centre. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_II_(statue_in_Helsinki)
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bad_fmr posted:Alexander II even today has a statue in Helsinki centre. Reminds me of the big statue of Swedish-Norwegian king Karl Johan in Oslo - in front of the royal Palace, at the head of the parade street also named for him. The union was at times quite cordial.
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Funny thing, there is still an Alexander street in Helsinki. There was also a Nicholas street but the name was changed pretty much the moment Finland became independent.
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bad_fmr posted:Alexander II even today has a statue in Helsinki centre. Probably the best ruler overall that Russia ever had .. and also banned publication of books and public performances in Ukrainian.
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OddObserver posted:Probably the best ruler overall that Russia ever had .. and also banned publication of books and public performances in Ukrainian. A good empire is still an empire, I suppose.
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Lmao. The US bought 81 mothballed Soviet fighters from Kazakhstan for $20k each, presumably with the intention of giving them to Ukraine for spare parts. https://www.businessinsider.com/us-buys-81-soviet-fighter-jets-from-russian-ally-20k-2024-4 The purchase was reportedly made through shell companies.
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Even if their use as spare parts is questionable, at that price it might be worth it just to keep Russia from acquiring the fighters themselves.
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Fivemarks posted:A good empire is still an empire, I suppose.
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Anybody who thinks Alexander Ii was a good Tsar should read Kropotkin's memoirs. Alexander ruined his own reforms and crushed an entire generation of Russia's brightest, most idealist and visionary men while empowering the worst reactionaries the old establishment could provide.
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steinrokkan posted:Anybody who thinks Alexander Ii was a good Tsar should read Kropotkin's memoirs. Alexander ruined his own reforms and crushed an entire generation of Russia's brightest, most idealist and visionary men while empowering the worst reactionaries the old establishment could provide. I doubt that an anarchist is going to present an unbiased picture of the period.
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steinrokkan posted:Anybody who thinks Alexander Ii was a good Tsar should read Kropotkin's memoirs. Alexander ruined his own reforms and crushed an entire generation of Russia's brightest, most idealist and visionary men while empowering the worst reactionaries the old establishment could provide. Would that contradict him being the best Russia ever had?
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Grip it and rip it posted:Just a little genocide that nobody will hardly even notice! Who even talks about the Armenians anymore? This is an amazing response to make to "respond to what's being said and not what you wish they said" jfc
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Anyway, in the present century, a cluster attack on a park in Odesa , the tweet-within-a-tweet has a rather disturbing video from the scene:https://twitter.com/yarotrof/status/1785025181754515504#m (There is also long-range footage of the attack)
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https://twitter.com/KyivPost/status/1785387497154871490quote:A wave of Ukrainian drone attacks on oil refineries deep inside Russia has left the world's largest nation facing a petrol shortage, Politico reported.
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Will that hopefully translate in to disincentive to continue the invasion or is this another "We don't give a gently caress, crack some skulls if anyone talks out of line." situation?
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Alchenar posted:The ability to know what's happening over the horizon is still incredibly difficult and basically limited to the US (with China rapidly coming up) satellite capabilities. It’s not 1995 anymore. I’m sure you can yolo a strike package over mIRC in like under a minute from a modern feed. At that point time on target is the hardest part. Sure nobody is hitting moving vehicles without air superiority. But the time it takes to go from decision to blow up a building to launch is laughably short. Sure target identification and prioritization *could* take time. But we’re the US, you don’t destroy public healthcare and college funding by being stingy with the PGM budget. You just deploy them like cocktail peanuts.
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bird food bathtub posted:Will that hopefully translate in to disincentive to continue the invasion or is this another "We don't give a gently caress, crack some skulls if anyone talks out of line." situation? basic fuel prices can provoke unrest among the larger population pretty well, but it depends on the state response. the government may be able to shore up supply through imports or whatever but that remains to be seen "crack some skulls if anyone talks out of line" has already kinda been status quo for a while, and there's no way to really say whether any particular hardship will push enough people to the point of protest
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Xakura posted:https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-breached-global-chemical-weapons-ban-ukraine-war-us-says-2024-05-01/ they have been doing this since the start
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Xakura posted:https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-breached-global-chemical-weapons-ban-ukraine-war-us-says-2024-05-01/ We need like a hierarchy of red lines. One of them has to have a response beyond a strongly worded letter with 190 signatures.
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ded posted:they have been doing this since the start There have been rumors, but isn't this the first official accusation by the US?
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ded posted:now this is something Do we, under these circumstances, gotta hand it to the UK?
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I take back 10% of the bad things I’ve said about the UK.
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Nice piece of fish posted:Do we, under these circumstances, gotta hand it to the UK? Looks like UK is handing it to UKR
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Nice piece of fish posted:Do we, under these circumstances, gotta hand it to the UK? No. Supporting Ukraine is literally the only good thing the Tories have done, other than providing the fodder for this century's most brutal political burn. And yet they're actively stanning for Trump, thus negating any points they've earned. psydude fucked around with this message at 17:43 on May 3, 2024 |
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