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psydude
Apr 1, 2008

POTUS is going to speak in 30 minutes.

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psydude
Apr 1, 2008

The Guardian reporting Mauripo is under heavy artillery fire.

psydude
Apr 1, 2008

loving Germany. First with the nuclear reactors and now opposing barring Russia from SWIFT.

No matter. There will be rioting in the streets when the price of flour skyrockets. The one things Germans don't gently caress around with is brot.

psydude
Apr 1, 2008

If something positive came out of 20 years in Iraq and Afghanistan, it's that the CIA and the Ukrainians they will soon train have some expert experience with IEDs now.

psydude
Apr 1, 2008

The Economist mentioned that the Ukrainians are claiming to have destroyed an entire Russian tank column (15 tanks - that's almost an Armor company's worth, if I'm not mistaken) with Javelins. Raytheon engineers probably patting themselves on the back right now.

psydude
Apr 1, 2008

ThisIsJohnWayne posted:

I'd hazard a guess they had gambled on clearing out a corridor for heavy lift to reinforce through before an effective response came and

Failed.

Yep. NYT had an unnamed US defense official saying there were a number of transport planes airborne that were likely destined for the airfield. It looks like the attack from the north is being stymied by bad roads, so this is Russia's main effort. Ukraine probably knows this and is sending everything they've got to ensure it stays contested.

psydude
Apr 1, 2008

Heavy fighting in Sumy in eastern Ukraine. This was supposed to be in Russia's control earlier in the day.

https://mobile.twitter.com/ua_industrial/status/1496955222299590656

psydude
Apr 1, 2008

loving A, just keep the Ukrainians supplied with a constant stream of Javelins.

psydude
Apr 1, 2008

MonkeyLibFront posted:

Ukranians tested those cages, they came up being useless.

I thought the Javelin had a pre-emptive warhead anyway to defeat cages and reactive armor.

psydude
Apr 1, 2008


I saw somewhere on Reddit that a Ukrainian fighter jet had crossed into Romanian airspace and was escorted to an airfield by Romanian F16s. Wonder if it was that guy dropping his mic.

psydude
Apr 1, 2008

So it's looking like the Ukrainians decided not to commit all of their air defense and anti tank weapons on day 1. Ukraine's defense minister suggested plan is to force the Russian armor into urban corridors and hit them with AT weapons, vs. trying to engage on more open terrain. That shootdown of the Russian jet makes me think they're still retaining some capabilities that are more sophisticated than MANPADS.

psydude
Apr 1, 2008


Better get the cratering charges ready.

psydude
Apr 1, 2008

Watching some footage of the air to air combat yesterday and it's absolutely insane how low the Ukrainians are flying. I'm guessing this is to avoid radar and confuse hear-seeking missiles?

Also unless I'm overlooking some smaller regional wars (Armenia & Azerbaijan?), this is probably the first major air to air combat since, what, the Yam Kippur War?

psydude
Apr 1, 2008

Myanmar hoping to get some of that sweet Kazakhstan treatment.


Spokesperson for the Myanmar Junta posted:

In the case of Russia and Ukraine, Russia has done its part to maintain its sovereignty, and I think it is the right thing to do.

Russia is also a big country among world powers and is showing that it also plays a main role in the balance sheet of maintaining world peace.

psydude
Apr 1, 2008

I wonder where they're parking these planes? I did see an interview yesterday with a Ukraininan government official who said they'd moved most of their aircraft, but I would have thought that Russia would have cratered every airfield by now.

psydude
Apr 1, 2008

Xi basically told Putin to stop it, and now he's saying he'd like to have high level talks with Ukraine.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/l...f0873d0384b040a

Probably some combination of him realizing China is his only major friend left, plus the Ukrainians embarrassing his technologically and numerically superior forces.

psydude
Apr 1, 2008

bird food bathtub posted:

What is the likelihood of nearby countries offering air base support to Ukranian air craft? Seems hands-off enough for other countries to be doing. If you're already shipping weapons and supplies over your ground letting planes in your air space and on your air strips doesn't seem like an escalation.

This could probably lead to a quick escalation as Russia attacks Ukrainian assets stationed in Poland or Romania or wherever.

My reptilian brain bloodlust wants NATO to disable Belarusian airfields hosting Russian aircraft and be all like "Hey we said we weren't going into Ukraine. We said nothing about Belarus." But I'm just here for the violence.

psydude
Apr 1, 2008

orange juche posted:

Things are bad in Kyiv, but the military and the populace's morale is high according to social media, which bodes ill for anyone expecting to subjugate Ukraine any time soon. They're going to make Russia pay for every inch, and insurgencies can be very, very effective, just ask the Taliban.

It's also a pretty large city, geographically speaking. So far it looks like they're moving in from one of the northernmost neighborhoods but they're far from occupying the whole city.

Based upon some sources quoted by the BBC and Guardian, the bridge demo was a delaying action to let them get troops in place to hit the Russian armor as it gets channeled into the city, forcing them to fight on foot and sacrifice their mechanized advantage. Russia is reporting that they've seized Hostomel, though, which isn't good (if true).

Speaking of - apparently they launched a large airborne insertion on the airfield this morning to retake it. I'm wondering if the plane shot down was a troop transport? Would make sense given how low and slow it was going.

psydude
Apr 1, 2008

Oh poo poo, they went there.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Eurovision/status/1497243799889711104

psydude
Apr 1, 2008

Stultus Maximus posted:

Given that they're surrounded by NATO countries, that could be... bad.

I'm actually very worried Belarus is going to take advantage of this to attack Poland or Lithuania in retaliation for harboring their opposition leaders.

psydude
Apr 1, 2008

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/02/25/ukraine-invasion-russia-news/#link-AZZQA2VO2ZHXZDAWXSTQ6PP65U


quote:

The Russian military has lost momentum in its offensive on Ukraine, a senior U.S. defense official said Friday, cautioning that could change in coming days.

The assessment came amid signs that Russia has struggled to move on the capital, Kyiv, as outgunned Ukrainian forces dig in and put up a fight. Roughly one-third of the Russian forces committed to the assault now are in Ukraine, which would amount to more than 50,000, the official said.

“They have not achieved the progress that we believe they thought they would,” the official said, speaking on the condition of anonymity under ground rules set by the Pentagon.

The invasion continued with an amphibious landing of Russian naval forces west of the city of Mariupol and with Russia continuing to launch missiles into Ukraine. As of Friday morning in Washington, more than 200 missile strikes had occurred, the official said, up from 160 as of Thursday. Some of the missiles landed in residential areas.

psydude
Apr 1, 2008

Suicide Watch posted:

It looksl ike the Russian force totaled around 190,000 troops, but does anyone know what percentage (probably following contemporary Russian doctrine) of that would be support/rear echelon vs. frontline combat? Because it seems if it was 190,000 combat arms, Ukraine forces would be in for a much harder time than if it was 40-50K combat and the rest were transport/HQ/support

Russian formations are based around armor and mechanized infantry, so an operation of this size would have to have a sizeable combat support and service support element attached. I'm trying to find one of the articles from before the invasion, but had a pretty good breakdown of what their force composition was.

Edit: here we go
https://www.economist.com/the-economist-explains/2022/01/31/how-big-is-russias-military-build-up-around-ukraine

Economist estimates from before the invasion out the total number of BTGs at around 100. Each battalion tactical group has its own combat support attached.

From Wikipedia:

Each BTG has approximately 600-800 officers and soldiers, of whom roughly 200 are infantrymen, equipped with vehicles typically including roughly 10 tanks and 40 infantry fighting vehicles.: pp. 11-13 

So of those 190,000 it's safe to say about 40% at most are actual trigger pullers.

psydude fucked around with this message at 19:14 on Feb 25, 2022

psydude
Apr 1, 2008

Finland's the complete package: a hot prime minister and a terrifying thirst for Russian blood.

psydude
Apr 1, 2008

What's the best way to gently caress up a tank's treads? Movies have taught me that's the most important part of the tank.

psydude
Apr 1, 2008

Hekk posted:

I am not an expert on Russian armor but tanks are generally designed to be employed at greater distances than one in which your enemy is close enough to throw things at it. Even infantry support armor relies upon infantry to keep the enemy from climbing up on it or attacking from blind spots. If you bring unsupported armor into an urban environment it’s only a matter of time before the crew get taken out.

Some of the analysis I read leading up to the war suggested that Russia's doctrine is still over-dependent upon the premise of armor-centric combined arms engagements at range, without enough attention paid to urban operations. It looks like Ukraine has been exploiting this tactically and engaging the Russians in ambushes and up close, where they're less effective.

psydude
Apr 1, 2008

So what happens if Putin doesn't win? And by doesn't win, I mean fails to completely overthrow the government in a short time period. Not like he can just back down at this point. His dick is already too far into crazy, and his entire image is of a strong man who never loses.

psydude
Apr 1, 2008

Crini posted:

As a teen in the late 80s I was as much of a military nerd as I could be without today’s access to information. So I don’t really know anything. But shouldn’t someone either take those artillery pieces or spike them? Seems like just leaving them there means they could be firing on you next week.

Whoever ambushed them might not have had too much time to clean up before the unit behind them showed up.

psydude
Apr 1, 2008


Overheard two Americans at a bar on Thursday complaining about how there's no parking at Patch (EUCOM headquarters) right now. Should give an idea about how involved the US is behind the scenes.

psydude
Apr 1, 2008

https://www.theguardian.com/world/l...f08db56730fc94a

quote:

A UK government armed forces junior minister said Russia has failed to achieve its initial objectives – and fighting outside Kyiv was limited to Russian special forces units.

Speaking to BBC Radio 4’s Today programme, James Heappey said that aims to take key Ukrainian cities had not been realised. He added that the UK did not believe Russian claims that it had taken the south eastern city of Melitopol.

“The Ukrainian resistance to the Russian advance appears extraordinary. All of Russia’s Day One objectives of Kharkiv, Kherson , Mariupol, Sumy and even Melitopol, which the Russians are claiming to taken but we can’t see anything on that, are still all in Ukrainian hands.

“The fighting on the outskirts of Kyiv overnight, we understand to just be Russian spetsnaz special forces and pockets of paratroopers. The reality is the armoured columns coming down from Belarus and the north to encircle Kyiv are still way off, because they have been held off by this incredible Ukrainian resistance.”

Of course the war crimes poo poo is being perpetrated by the Spetznaz.

psydude
Apr 1, 2008

Fragrag posted:

Does the absence of any official visual media from the Russian government, e.g. Russian troops hoisting their flags over government buildings, indicate that cities like Kharkiv and others are still being heavily contested?

US and British intelligence have confirmed that Russia has failed to take any major population centers so far. Ukraine's best and most seasoned troops were stationed in the east of the country; while the media is understandably focused on Kiev, the most intense fighting is in that part of the country. I've seen a lot of (unconfirmed) twitter videos of scorched Russian vehicles and troops littering the roads around Kharkiv.

We're also seeing a lot more footage of the irregular Ukrainian troops just due to their presence farther from the fighting, where more civilians are present to take footage with phones. From what it sounds like, the professional Ukrainian military and the reservists are making the Russians earn every inch of ground.

psydude fucked around with this message at 10:06 on Feb 26, 2022

psydude
Apr 1, 2008

Cyprus has agreed to vote to remove Russia from SWIFT.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/l...f0873d0384b1230

This is a big deal because Cyprus is one of the biggest sources of foreign investment in Russia.

psydude
Apr 1, 2008

Nuclear War posted:

loyal, yes, but soft? nah, brutal murderers who've been putting down unrest for years. i dunno about actual combat experience

Russia is probably using them as a psyop tool. Kind of like how the USSR created a mythos around certain units specifically for terrorizing civilians.

psydude fucked around with this message at 13:01 on Feb 26, 2022

psydude
Apr 1, 2008

Turkey just cut Russian access to the Black Sea.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/l...f0873d0384b1494

psydude
Apr 1, 2008

Re: Alpha Group assassination plot. This might have been what the US was alluding to earlier.

Here's a half-serious Tom Clancy question: would the US take it upon itself to neutralize the threat through covert means? I've gotta imagine there's an enormous number of Ground Branch assets there right now.

psydude fucked around with this message at 15:18 on Feb 26, 2022

psydude
Apr 1, 2008

Tomn posted:

Hi guys, civilian here, got a question about something and I hope this is OK to ask here.

There's this guy on C-SPAM posting up a bunch of documents about Russian logistics, but he's not explaining them much and I'm getting a slight headache trying to make sense of them. Can anyone break down what this is all saying in simple dummy terms, and what implications it might have, if any, for Russian forces in Ukraine? Also is any of this even relevant in wartime, given that I assume it's describing best-case "everything goes as planned" logistics?

I don't feel like wading into that thread, so I'm missing the context around what he's saying.


Sustaining a mechanized force advancing into contested territory is difficult even without having to worry about professional soldiers ambushing your logistics convoys with Javelins. There's literal videos of Russian vehicles running out of gas, and plenty more of supply convoys burned out on the side of the road. During the war games they were running before, I'm sure they had hot chow, but no Army is gonna take a break to bake bread in-between fighting during active combat operations.

psydude
Apr 1, 2008

Icon Of Sin posted:

Getting a hearty :laffo: at fresh bread 2x/day, and showers/laundry “whenever there’s a significant pause”. Where the hell would that water even come from?

Each BTG has a Divining Rod Team (uniformed, not a part of the MIC of course) to locate clean, fluoride free spring water.

psydude
Apr 1, 2008

Latest out of the pentagon today (via the Guardian):

TLDR: Maybe Russia should have taken the Napoleonic Ratios more seriously.

https://twitter.com/JackDetsch/status/1497590265737097217

https://twitter.com/beverstine/status/1497582099443986438

https://twitter.com/phildstewart/status/1497588560832208898

https://twitter.com/paulmcleary/status/1497587542002216962

psydude
Apr 1, 2008

aphid_licker posted:

Think I'm about ready to downgrade them to ex-Superpower

Maybe a Pretty Good Power.

psydude
Apr 1, 2008

Latest assessment from UK intelligence:

https://twitter.com/DefenceHQ/status/1497592156738965509

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psydude
Apr 1, 2008

BUG JUG posted:

The thing I am wondering about now is: replacement. There is a LOT of Russian hardware littering the Ukranian countryside right now, and Russia looks like they will be living under severe economic sanctions for a decade or so, so....how does the Russian Army/Air Force afford to replace any of this poo poo? Like, is Russia actively degrading themselves from Superpower to Second Rate power in front of our eyes?

This is still only a fraction of the crap that Russia actually has, but your point about sanctions is salient. Russia doesn't have its own semiconductor industry, and it relies heavily upon EU countries for basics like steel. With every major country sanctioning it (other than China, who doesn't give a poo poo about Russia and will want to avoid another ZTE fiasco), they're going to have to develop their own capacity. This will take years and billions of dollars, and will probably set them back substantially from both an R&D and O&M perspective. And that's before the likely sabotage of their MIC by US and allied offensive cyber operations.

psydude fucked around with this message at 16:56 on Feb 26, 2022

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