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Lol it's The Batman, not loving Solaris. Your stupid caped punchman movie does not need nearly 3 hours to express its ARRRTTTTTTT
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Evidently it did!
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Apr 30, 2022 21:27
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It being as bloated as it was just made it more incoherent. 
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Apr 30, 2022 22:17
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I'm pretty meh on the film. I just prefer my superhero movies to have a little more camp and a bit more melodrama to them. That's not to say that I think the film is completely realistic or doesn't have a sense of humor about itself. But it takes a few steps further down the "grounded and serious" than Nolan did. I feel similar to the way I did about Joker. In the attempt to be "Cinema" it ends up feeling a little too much like a pastiche of other, better movies. The Dark Knight takes influence from Heat and The Taking of the Pelham 123, but it still has its own distinct tone and feel. With The Batman, I was just thinking so often, "This is from the Chinatown, this from Halloween, this is from Seven" Which I would probably be fine with if it just had a little bit more of that special super hero sauce. I've heard people say this takes from the Long Halloween, but that was also a comic where Joker had twice as many teeth as a normal human and Catwoman was in a literal purple cat costume. As for the runtime, I don't think the film always make great use of it. When the mystery is being used as a vehicle to explore the character of Batman, it works fine. But for scenes when it is meant to stand as a mystery on its own, I don't think it really works.
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Apr 30, 2022 22:34
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I was kind of bummed out that Andy Serkis wasn't given more to do. The few scenes he was in, I thought he was really good and the way the plot unfolded, I thought the opportunity to use him more was right there. If you take this movie and expand his role to the level that Michael Caine was afforded, I might have liked to have seen that. As it is, you could remove Alfred entirely from this movie and not really lose much.
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May 1, 2022 00:30
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BiggerBoat posted:I was kind of bummed out that Andy Serkis wasn't given more to do. The few scenes he was in, I thought he was really good and the way the plot unfolded, I thought the opportunity to use him more was right there. If you take this movie and expand his role to the level that Michael Caine was afforded, I might have liked to have seen that. Alfred is central to Bruce's humanization. He only realizes that he actually cares about people because Alfred almost dies.
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May 1, 2022 01:11
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Yo I cannot believe Alfred was Gollum that is freaking me out
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Babaduck posted:I'm pretty meh on the film. I just prefer my superhero movies to have a little more camp and a bit more melodrama to them. That's not to say that I think the film is completely realistic or doesn't have a sense of humor about itself. But it takes a few steps further down the "grounded and serious" than Nolan did. If one was uncharitable, TB even steals from TDK https://twitter.com/theSNYDERVERSE/status/1520361468402749444?s=20&t=KICHva37h8gH3RbEuYjxNA
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May 1, 2022 06:21
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Oh no a movie isn’t fully original Heaven forbid. It’s not like their namesake used images directly from a source or anything
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May 1, 2022 06:41
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McCloud posted:If one was uncharitable, TB even steals from TDK You can actually see what's happening in Reeves' version.
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May 1, 2022 08:21
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Kicking rear end through a crowded nightclub is just good filmmaking
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May 1, 2022 09:12
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Yeah I really don’t see what’s similar there other than “Batman has a fight in a nightclub” and nightclub fights are just loving cool
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May 1, 2022 09:53
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they all stand on the shoulders of Blade, which heavily cribs from 70s action movies as is
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Pirate Jet posted:Yeah I really don’t see what’s similar there other than “Batman has a fight in a nightclub” and nightclub fights are just loving cool It’s Batman fighting his way through a nightclub in order to confront a mobster and stops fighting once he comes face to face with him that makes it feel so similar.
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Now this is a nightclub fight https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlFwTw0Z6nM They should let batman use guns. They're cool.
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McCloud posted:If one was uncharitable, TB even steals from TDK The bat throw into the dudes chest is when he truly became The Bat Man.
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well why not posted:they all stand on the shoulders of Blade, which heavily cribs from 70s action movies as is
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May 1, 2022 17:20
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I know it's from the comics, but it's so sad that the Penguin's night club is called The Iceberg Lounge, and not Club Penguin.
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I actually enjoyed almost every second of this deeply stupid movie but I'll never watch it again. No point in reiterating the issues about the runtime and script so I'll just spit out some of the nice bits: The Batman is kinda sexy. The movie that is. The character is a mostly unlikeable psychopath goober. But like, this Gotham is deliciously seedy and sumptuous. Best rendition yet. The detective'ing was fun. I laughed when the Bat silently guided one of the police to a blood splatter. The movie was subtle as a brick about the parallels between Batman and his victims but I didn't mind too much because it reinforced how/why he'd have such an intuitive sense about crime (because, y'know, he's a full-time predator and criminal). The Bat believing that because Annika "chose" the life that got her killed means she also deserved it was hosed up and a good way to show the Bat's privileged/damaged mindset. The Penguin. Colin Farrell obviously had a lot of fun. Catwoman. The little we got, anyway. I wish the movie had excised some of the bullshit and used that time to show more of Catwoman and her world and interweave it with Batman's through their investigations (giving him some much needed exposure therapy). Weird movie.
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May 1, 2022 17:51
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Dark knight nightclub fight was done before in the animated series anyway lol And you could technically argue Batman forever had its own club scene as well as B&R.
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May 1, 2022 18:33
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It's crazy how influential Nolan's movies were. Now every villain has to have a hosed up weird voice which Paul Dano whiffs hard and Alfred has to be an ex-military style hard case.
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Human Tornada posted:It's crazy how influential Nolan's movies were. Now every villain has to have a hosed up weird voice which Paul Dano whiffs hard and Alfred has to be an ex-military style hard case. Paul Dano's Riddler is one of those nerds that's watched The Dark Knight 500 times and thinks he's the Joker.
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May 1, 2022 19:27
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Alfred is more or less the alfred from the earth one comics.
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Was Caine a hard case? He had that tangerine story but other than he mostly just helps Bruce with the logistics.
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live with fruit posted:Was Caine a hard case? He had that tangerine story but other than he mostly just helps Bruce with the logistics. That’s the issue. He has that cool monologue that paints him as a guy who had some hard rear end days. But now everything after him has to paint Alfred as a super sick bad rear end.
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May 1, 2022 20:46
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Hasn't that been a part of his backstory in the comics for ages?
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The_Rob posted:That’s the issue. He has that cool monologue that paints him as a guy who had some hard rear end days. But now everything after him has to paint Alfred as a super sick bad rear end. It does make more sense than Michael Gough coming straight out of Downton Abbey and making Batsuits.
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May 1, 2022 21:06
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Call me old fashioned, but I like my Alfred as a svelte, old British man who brings Bruce tea and stitches up his tights every now and then. There's something vaguely maternal about it that serves as a nice contrast to Batman. Edit: I understand why they made the take they did on Alfred. Having Alfred be a buffer and more conventionally masculine figure makes Bruce in comparison seem younger and more adolescent, not just in his physique but in his worldview. Babaduck fucked around with this message at 21:56 on May 1, 2022 |
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Bale's Batman never really comes across as a broken person when he's being Batman (the emotional angst of his character arc is Rachel's death, which makes him give up being Batman). He comes across as 'having a good time' and Caine and Freeman both agree it's a good time which is why they also have fun helping him. e: hell Bale's Wayne basically goes though Patterson's entire arc in this film in the first 30 minutes of Begins. The League offers him the chance to be Venegance, he decides what he really wants to do is help Gotham. Alchenar fucked around with this message at 22:09 on May 1, 2022 |
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Alchenar posted:Bale's Batman never really comes across as a broken person when he's being Batman (the emotional angst of his character arc is Rachel's death, which makes him give up being Batman). He comes across as 'having a good time' and Caine and Freeman both agree it's a good time which is why they also have fun helping him. To me that’s a cool thing because Batman should be cool and fun. I know people love to do the oh man this thing for kids is actually hosed up thing, but at the end of the day. It’s a story about a man in a batsuit fighting clowns and riddle guys. There should be some fun in it. Being Batman should be cool to some extent.
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With each new reboot of the Batman franchise we are inching closer and closer to Darren Aronofksy's script for Batman: Year One. It is 2034. I am forty years old. I am watching a darker, grittier Batman movie. Batman is a man in a black ski mask. He derives his name from beating criminals with a baseball bat. Fans online say it is the Batman movie they have always wanted.
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May 1, 2022 23:59
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The Batman might have a man getting his face eaten by rats but it's still lighter than BvS.
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Alfred doesn't really come across as a badass, he spends most of his scenes on the verge of tears over the WaynesMonglo posted:Yeah, but, as someone else noted above, is part of a buy-in that you have to make to accept a superhero story. Otherwise every one of them becomes a critique of superhero genre without trying and justification, because it's inherently absurd to become a themed masked vigilante. Well personally I don't care about buy-in or immersion or things like that, so that's rarely an issue for me. Same with intent or justification - you can critique the superheroes even in the stories that are trying to avoid doing that (and I don't think Reeves is, not entirely). It adds to the fun ime, but ymmv of course Funny enough but OG Supes wasn't an alien at first, I forget when they introduced that an explanation for his powers. His targets aren't petty criminals criminals though, you're right. Superman terrorizes gangsters and politicians and capitalists, the only 'small time' crook I can recall Supes taking out (literally drowns him in the harbour!) is a pawnshop owner who was exploiting a youth gang. In conclusion, old timey Superman rules
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BvS is “dark” in the same sense that like, Empire Strikes back is because it’s the middle of an intended trilogy and the good guys “lose” (or at least end up in a rough spot they need to get out of in the eventual climax). The performative hand wringing over “dark” super hero movies is obnoxious anyway, as if they all need to be homogenous and having a multitude of styles is somehow a bad thing. 9 times out of 10 it’s some appeal to authority crap where people are trying to prove their tastes are scientifically superior, or anyway it’s YouTubers trying to get clicks off that demographic.
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People can say what they want about BvS, but at least when you watch that movie you understand why it's three hours (Ultimate Edition.) Shortly after The Batman I was wondering to myself what took it that long. It's like trying to remember a dream you had the night before and having to fill in all the blanks.
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Babaduck posted:Paul Dano's Riddler is one of those nerds that's watched The Dark Knight 500 times and thinks he's the Joker. I was hoping for more of a serial killer vibe, what with his exceedingly boring day job and the Zodiac outfit and Dahmer glasses. The online angle feels like an idea from six years ago.
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The movie was good overall despite the overindulgent run time and having only watched the director's cut of BvS and based on what people here are saying that it fixes a lot of issues of the original version I can only surmise the theatrical cut was just a snuff film
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McCloud posted:https://twitter.com/theSNYDERVERSE/status/1520361468402749444?s=20&t=KICHva37h8gH3RbEuYjxNA Man this really highlights how much better the action is in The Batman.
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yeah the batman bodies all the other poo poo made since the burton movies.
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unlimited shrimp posted:I was hoping for more of a serial killer vibe, what with his exceedingly boring day job and the Zodiac outfit and Dahmer glasses. The online angle feels like an idea from six years ago. January 6th 2021 was just over a year ago.
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