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Ghost Leviathan posted:It says a lot there is no equivalent of this with the Republicans, the Libertarians compete more for their votes than the Greens ever did for the Democrats, and they never talk about them. Republicans know and accept that they have to earn votes through words and actions, and they have nothing to gain from petulant, condescending and entitled whining about how you don't vote hard enough. One of the funniest things to tell people who are still mad about the Greens in 2016 is that if you assume all 3rd party votes are stolen votes and the two big political parties are owed fealty then not only would Trump still win, but Clinton would also lose the popular vote. McMullin + Johnson + Trump > Stein + Clinton. 3rd party voters saved Clinton from an even more embarrassing face plant. Bonus fact: if you continue to insist third party votes are wasted votes that should go to a major party, the margin by which Trump lost in 2020 was entirely covered by Libertarian voters. If all 3rd party votes are transferable to a major party - a loving weird concept but one the people mad about 3rd party voters insist is true - then the Libertarians would most closely align with the Republicans, and through the same torturous dumbassery that assumes Green votes are stolen Democrat votes, without the Libertarians on the ticket Trump wins the 2020 election. In conclusion getting mad about 3rd party voters is dumb. They play out in the democrats favor more often than not.
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MLSM posted:https://twitter.com/ChrisLynnHedges/status/1538568501136437248?s=20&t=XXAkFDFtolFvw1ccneN5-A another absolute banger from Russian Asset Chris Hedges (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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MLSM posted:https://twitter.com/ChrisLynnHedges/status/1538568501136437248?s=20&t=XXAkFDFtolFvw1ccneN5-A The point of the article is obviously that the founding fathers are all skeletons, and the writings of skeletons are not a viable foundation for a country's laws. Seriously, how much do we have to spoonfeed people itt when the headlines are already perfectly clear?
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Flying-PCP posted:The point of the article is obviously that the founding fathers are all skeletons, and the writings of skeletons are not a viable foundation for a country's laws. Seriously, how much do we have to spoonfeed people itt when the headlines are already perfectly clear? Asking you to summarize articles or explain why you are posting it is not demanding you 'spoon-feed' to us. Its asking you to at least expound on why you are posting the article. Especially when you are posting a guy who worked for RT, which is a state media arm. Sure, he has valid points, but what are you posting the article to explain? CommieGIR fucked around with this message at 13:48 on Jun 20, 2022 |
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Flying-PCP posted:The point of the article is obviously that the founding fathers are all skeletons, and the writings of skeletons are not a viable foundation for a country's laws. Seriously, how much do we have to spoonfeed people itt when the headlines are already perfectly clear? The title of the featured art is "The Four Horsemen" quote:It is hard to be sanguine about the future. The breakdown of the ecosystem is well documented. So is the refusal of the global ruling elite to pursue measures that might mitigate the devastation. We accelerate the extraction of fossil fuels, wallow in profligate consumption, including our consumption of livestock, and make new wars as if we are gripped by a Freudian death wish. The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse -- Conquest, War, Famine and Death – gallop into the 21rst century. Here we can see Mr. Hedges describing objective reality to a T - that is to say succinctly, "Chris is right" quote:Workers, whether in the vast sweatshops in China or the decayed ruins of the rust belt, struggle on subsistence wages without job protection or unions. They are cursed by trade deals, deindustrialization, austerity, rising interest rates and rising prices. They, too, know the future. Here, Chris once again correctly describes objective reality resulting in the inevitable conclusion that Chris is, again, right.
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Lib and let die posted:The title of the featured art is "The Four Horsemen" This just sounds like boilerplate doomposting that has no new insight you couldn't see in 20 billion other twitter posts.
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Panzeh posted:This just sounds like boilerplate doomposting that has no new insight you couldn't see in 20 billion other twitter posts. That's a pretty...interesting way to wave off the piece. You are aware that Mr. Hedges has worked for years within the prison system, putting in the hard yards and long hours trying to reform the system and its outcomes from within? Waving off Mr. Hedge's writing as Twitter doomposting is a gross show of disrespect to the work he's done which if I had to venture a guess has been more meaningful than anything you've done.
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Lib and let die posted:That's a pretty...interesting way to wave off the piece. You are aware that Mr. Hedges has worked for years within the prison system, putting in the hard yards and long hours trying to reform the system and its outcomes from within? I read the piece. I judge the piece based on its content, and it's pretty much all rhetoric. I'm sure Chris Hedges has done good work, but this really isn't it. "objectively correct" can't really describe what he says because it's such pulled-back rhetoric. It's pure speechwriting, and the same script that's been around for the past 6-8 years. I don't see any new or fresh insight here.
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Panzeh posted:I read the piece. I judge the piece based on its content, and it's pretty much all rhetoric. I'm sure Chris Hedges has done good work, but this really isn't it. I guess it's fine then that the foremost minds working within the systems are drawing the same conclusions now that they were almost a decade ago. It seems promising!
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There's not going to be a lot of new insight into the existential dread of the global warming crisis we're marching ourselves into, sorry. We have hard numbers, we know what we need to do, we know what the failure states are and what will get us there, and we know what failure looks like. Not much has changed in 6-8 years so all the rhetoric still sounds the same. There's not going to be a lot of new insights as we have 50 years, then 40, then 30, 20, 10, and then none. Just the same things being said louder and more violently. It's going to be dismissed as chicken little panic to let our enemies the perfidious Russians take control until the day the sky is actually falling. That will also be called a Russian plot. Gumball Gumption fucked around with this message at 14:49 on Jun 20, 2022 |
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It’s also probably going to reverse, as more than likely SCOTUS neuters the ability of federal agencies to regulate companies that contribute to global warming.
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Panzeh posted:I read the piece. I judge the piece based on its content, and it's pretty much all rhetoric. I'm sure Chris Hedges has done good work, but this really isn't it. How can you fault Hedges for repeating himself when society hasn't heeded his previous warnings?
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https://twitter.com/ericgreitens/status/1538876823978713089?s=21&t=QUgXMkUeoCrLXHgkLNYOlw This kind of poo poo will get people killed.
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CommieGIR posted:Asking you to summarize articles or explain why you are posting it is not demanding you 'spoon-feed' to us. Its asking you to at least expound on why you are posting the article. The statement 'climate change presents an existential threat current leadership is unwilling to address, and this unwillingness will kill millions over the coming years' is not a Russian plot to destabilize America. no matter how convenient it might be to some Americans to pretend otherwise. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Lib and let die posted:The title of the featured art is "The Four Horsemen" Only one of those was a skeleton though, so that's not enough context for why there are four spooky skulls!
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Gumball Gumption posted:There's not going to be a lot of new insight into the existential dread of the global warming crisis we're marching ourselves into, sorry. We have hard numbers, we know what we need to do, we know what the failure states are and what will get us there, and we know what failure looks like. Not much has changed in 6-8 years so all the rhetoric still sounds the same. There's not going to be a lot of new insights as we have 50 years, then 40, then 30, 20, 10, and then none. Just the same things being said louder and more violently. When the US gets its first mass-death event due to 95F wet-bulb temperature somewhere in the South for a few hours, it will get blamed on some "Havana Syndrome"-like enemy weapon to justify another invasion. When the wheat/rice/corn/all 3 harvest fails because the temperature got just .001 degrees too hot to germinate this year, it will be the work of antifa. When Miami drowns it will be an al-Qaeda plot. When the methane pockets in Siberia bust open and start the runaway greenhouse effect, it's clearly a Russian attack on civilization. In the end, it was the poorest, most powerless people, those with no ability to change or influence the system they live in at all, that were responsible for the collapse. If only one of them had warned us instead of playing their video games and doing their drugs! We have met the enemy and there is no doubt they are someone else entirely. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:The statement 'climate change presents an existential threat current leadership is unwilling to address, and this unwillingness will kill millions over the coming years' is not a Russian plot to destabilize America. Way to misrepresent what I was saying. What I was saying was if you leave no context for sharing an article and no explanation, we have to question why you shared it. If you provide context, its now less likely that we may have to guess what you meant in providing the article. The RT callout was because its odd anyone with the Socialist creds like Chris Hedges would go work for RT, a company notable for being the State News arm of a country noted for immense corruption and censorship, basically the Fox News of Russia.
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CommieGIR posted:The RT callout was because its odd anyone with the Socialist creds like Chris Hedges would go work for RT, a company notable for being the State News arm of a country noted for immense corruption and censorship, basically the Fox News of Russia. Should good people not be joining corrupt institutions to try to change them from the inside? Because people on this thread often argue that is how the Democratic Party should be reformed.
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Gumball Gumption posted:There's not going to be a lot of new insight into the existential dread of the global warming crisis we're marching ourselves into, sorry. We have hard numbers, we know what we need to do, we know what the failure states are and what will get us there, and we know what failure looks like. Not much has changed in 6-8 years so all the rhetoric still sounds the same. There's not going to be a lot of new insights as we have 50 years, then 40, then 30, 20, 10, and then none. Just the same things being said louder and more violently. Heck, the way covid was handled was pretty much a sneak peek at how the government response is gonna be once the effects of climate change are blatant even to the biggest deniers.
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JonathonSpectre posted:When the US gets its first mass-death event due to 95F wet-bulb temperature somewhere in the South for a few hours, it will get blamed on some "Havana Syndrome"-like enemy weapon to justify another invasion. When the wheat/rice/corn/all 3 harvest fails because the temperature got just .001 degrees too hot to germinate this year, it will be the work of antifa. When Miami drowns it will be an al-Qaeda plot. When the methane pockets in Siberia bust open and start the runaway greenhouse effect, it's clearly a Russian attack on civilization. and definitely. DEFINITELY not the people dutifully murdering those who try to stop the powerful from killing them. what was it the Israelis trotted out to justify the journalists death, again? 'She was with Palestinians, and they were armed with cameras?' the best part is that's what it looks like when they come up with an excuse for public consumption. the excuses an occupying force accepts for wanton murder of its subjects internally are a lot less... pc. remember back when the initial justification for the US army butchering a carful of children on the way out of Afghanistan was 'the car might have had a terrorist in it'? preview of coming attraction, baby.
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Bishyaler posted:Should good people not be joining corrupt institutions to try to change them from the inside? Because people on this thread often argue that is how the Democratic Party should be reformed. Nobody is changing a state controlled media company from the inside, and given that as soon as he criticized Russia he was fired, they were not open to change.
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CommieGIR posted:Nobody is changing a state controlled media company from the inside, and given that as soon as he criticized Russia he was fired, they were not open to change.
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davecrazy posted:https://twitter.com/ericgreitens/status/1538876823978713089?s=21&t=QUgXMkUeoCrLXHgkLNYOlw It already is/has. But you're right I think that it's only going to get worse. They've been keeping that powder dry since 2008 and the great muslim kenyan soclialist takeover while narrowly averting having all their guns taken by FEMA brown shirts. I mean...in their minds. I wonder what polling looks like for public support of Antifa v The Proud Boys v BLM v ICE v Defund the Police and so forth. I can't find a comprehensive breakdown that lists everything I want to compare and look at but the stuff I have seen seems to come out on the positive side for the fascists overall.
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cat botherer posted:Neither is anyone changing an oligarch-controlled major political party from the inside. He clearly would not have been able to criticize US policy so severely working for a mainstream media outlet in the US, but RT would have him until he criticized them. He regularly criticized US policy in US media and online. I'm sure substack would pay him to write for them.
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cat botherer posted:Neither is anyone changing an oligarch-controlled major political party from the inside. He clearly would not have been able to criticize US policy so severely working for a mainstream media outlet in the US, but RT would have him until he criticized them. Okay, let's blunt this entire discussion: In the future, if you share an article please provide some of your own content: Why are you sharing the article, what do you intend to call out or demonstrate.
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:He regularly criticized US policy in US media and online. I'm sure substack would pay him to write for them. offtopic edit: The title of that piece is probably referencing this impossibly badass painting: 
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CommieGIR posted:Okay, let's blunt this entire discussion: This was already a rule wasn't it?
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Don't Republican voters get dizzy trying to keep track of who is the current savior of America and who is the current enemy of America? I mean, at multiple times a day the propaganda system poops out a new target (or recycles an old one) and they can be Democrats, Republicans, foreigners, abstract concepts... all of it founded on deceit, often openly, laughingly dishonest. Is there a risk to the Murdochs and Kochs of the world that they might exhaust the GOP reservoir of hatred and ignorance with this flood of dramatic and provocative garbage? EDIT: There's no sign yet of this happening, but even the rabid commie hunters of the 1950s ran out of gas, and they were only targeting one thing, albeit by casting an absurdly wide net. Dick Trauma fucked around with this message at 16:20 on Jun 20, 2022 |
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Dick Trauma posted:Don't Republican voters get dizzy trying to keep track of who is the current savior of America and who is the current enemy of America? I mean, at multiple times a day the propaganda system poops out a new target (or recycles an old one) and they can be Democrats, Republicans, foreigners, abstract concepts... all of it founded on deceit, often openly, laughingly dishonest. if by 'ran out of gas' you mean 'became the leadership of the party' yes there's a pretty straight line from McCarthy to Goldwater to Reagan; you build up an insane frenzy of hatred and fear of all things that make the comfortable-but-slipping feel uncomfortable, and then run on how you alone can restore that wonderful feeling of knowing the government is handling the problem with all due brutality.
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Dick Trauma posted:Is there a risk to the Murdochs and Kochs of the world that they might exhaust the GOP reservoir of hatred and ignorance with this flood of dramatic and provocative garbage? My brother in christ have you ever known a conservative to run out of spite and hate despite the obvious detrimental consequences to themselves and others? The only risk is that they don't sacrifice enough to moloch.
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Dick Trauma posted:Don't Republican voters get dizzy trying to keep track of who is the current savior of America and who is the current enemy of America? I mean, at multiple times a day the propaganda system poops out a new target (or recycles an old one) and they can be Democrats, Republicans, foreigners, abstract concepts... all of it founded on deceit, often openly, laughingly dishonest. Conservatives believe in power hierarchies so whoever is disrupting that becomes a target. Declining material conditions is the fuel. As long as people are asking questions why they keep getting poorer, the far-right will be happy to provide scapegoats.
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CommieGIR posted:Asking you to summarize articles or explain why you are posting it is not demanding you 'spoon-feed' to us. Its asking you to at least expound on why you are posting the article. The second paragraph is useless and makes it appear that you’re coming at it from an ideological POV rather than just sticking to the rules. Unless you’re a diehard political junkies, you’re not going to know that Chris Hedges works at RT. You can’t clean that from the tweet which is a link to his sub stack.
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some plague rats posted:The problem is that all of this (incredibly patronizing, seriously) spiel seems to assume there's literally no possible federal response and states should just be allowed to get on with it, and doesn't do anything to address the original point of contention with crow, which is that if as you so repeatedly point out the gerrymandering was allowed by elections, how does "people should have voted harder 15 years ago" possibly constitute a meaningful anything unless your plan is to just win every election forever? "Win every election forever" seems to have worked out pretty great for the Republicans! They've held the Wisconsin legislature for most of the last quarter-century, and have had ample opportunity to make use of that control. Turns out that winning elections matters - and the GOP, having won a lot of elections over a long period of time, get to matter quite a bit. I don't understand why we're looking at a party that's held near-supermajorities for a straight decade and acting baffled that they get to utilize their legislative powers. Banning gerrymandering by law is particularly difficult because both parties like to gerrymander. Many states under longtime Dem control have significant Dem gerrymanders, and the history of Wisconsin districting has been fraught with both parties fighting loudly over maps for basically the entire history of the state. Also, as comes up frequently in this thread, the states have considerable authority of their own when it comes to setting their own laws and policies, and the federal government has very little authority to intervene in that. There's also some odd complications when it comes to redistricting fairness, such as racial representation. Assuring legislative representation of minority groups often requires drawing a few district boundaries to create majority-minority seats...but that effectively gerrymanders those districts, creating strong Dem districts surrounded by districts that lean more GOP than expected. It comes up a lot in fair-districting discussions, where the least-gerrymandered map actually dilutes minority representation.
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Main Paineframe posted:"Win every election forever" seems to have worked out pretty great for the Republicans! They've held the Wisconsin legislature for most of the last quarter-century, and have had ample opportunity to make use of that control. Turns out that winning elections matters - and the GOP, having won a lot of elections over a long period of time, get to matter quite a bit. I don't understand why we're looking at a party that's held near-supermajorities for a straight decade and acting baffled that they get to utilize their legislative powers. missing a key detail: when Republicans take power, they use this opportunity to consolidate that power. Wisconsin has been a great lab experiment for them in how to twist voting laws to their advantage! When democrats take power, by comparison, their reaction can be accurately described 'euuughhh, I don't want it, you take it.' how many months did the Biden administration waste on trying to get Joe Manchin to sign off on any part of Build Back Better, while leaving HR1 to eat poo poo and die, again? winning elections appears to matter to republican leadership, to you, and to some dem voters. dem leadership does not share your interest, and we are all getting to experience the consequences.
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:missing a key detail: when Republicans take power, they use this opportunity to consolidate that power. Wisconsin has been a great lab experiment for them in how to twist voting laws to their advantage! What are you talking about? Just because you aren't paying attention does not mean that it's not happening. Biden was still personally trying to convince Manchin/Sinema to get rid of the filibuster to pass HR1 in January of this year: https://www.npr.org/2022/01/13/1072778094/sen-sinema-dashes-democrats-hope-to-change-the-filibuster. Maybe you have a different definition, but IMO, still working on/trying to persuade others on legislation after a year of taking office (out of 1 1/2 years) does not mean they left it to "eat poo poo and die" Kalit fucked around with this message at 17:38 on Jun 20, 2022 |
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BonoMan posted:This was already a rule wasn't it? Yes, it is explicitly a D&D rule that if you post a tweet/article/etc you should include at least some brief commentary as to why you're posting it and what you feel are its implications for thread discussion: quote:Explain sources and links that you cite. This spares others from having to guess what point you're making with them.
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Got a breaking news alert that Israel was dissolving parliament again because:quote:The decision follows weeks of paralysis caused by the defection of two right-wing government lawmakers and frequent rebellions by three others, removing the coalition’s majority in Parliament and making it hard to govern. Huh. Sounds kinda familiar.
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Nix Panicus posted:The only way to save the US is through conversion to a one party state. The communists understand this and it works out well enough for them. When you allow other groups whose central ideology is anathema to your own ideology to share power you inevitably get an incoherent government paralyzed by infighting. Multiparty democracy is a failed experiment, anyone can see this. We just need to embrace one party rule, preferably by an actually good party like Cuba's PCC or China's CCP. In the meantime it surely would be nice if the democrats could stop saying how great the republicans are or how necessary they are to governance. So much for not discriminating based on viewpoint (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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What did Crenshaw do to earn the ire of those Proud Boys? Was it just voting for aid money for Ukraine? Trump showed that limited anti-war rhetoric has found a place in the Republican Party, but he also ramped up wars and spending everywhere without them caring. Putin being white, unlike the targets of Trump’s ire, probably makes a difference.
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