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Gumball Gumption posted:My mom fell into this left wing conspiracy pretty hard, that Russia changed the actual votes. I think it's a relatively fringe belief with Michael Harriot being one of the bigger names who fell into it. He did really embarrass himself though.https://www.theroot.com/evidence-shows-hackers-changed-votes-in-the-2016-electi-1827871206 That seems like a pretty good mea culpa from him and he's a pretty awesome writer on most subjects.
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punk rebel ecks posted:The Democrats are hosed. Probably, but a lot of it doesn't have anything to do with the bland humans they can run
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punk rebel ecks posted:You’d be extremely surprised. Especially when people start flat out attacking you when politely asking them to leave or escorting them out. It’s hardly an everyday thing but restraints have their purposes. Certainly not in a public school with a 12 year old unless the girl presented substantial danger, like was about to stab somebody. I think you might want to read that again because I think you both agree. Nobody should be kneeling on necks in any sort of restraint situation.
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Mar 21, 2022 23:04
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So how bad is the Ketanji Brown Jackson hearing going.
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Mar 21, 2022 23:35
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PeterCat posted:The Ukrainians are being paroled into the US as refugees, this means that they are given a set period of time to be in the US before they have to apply for admission, which is the term for being legally allowed to be in the United States, versus entry, which is being physically present in the US. Your link goes into detail about how 10's of thousands of Haitians are being expelled back to Haiti and the US has been using Title 42 to deny entry to the majority of refugees/asylum seekers not from "white" countries. PeterCat posted:So? He kneeled on her for all of 30 seconds, can't tell if it was on her neck since the video resolution is so low. And handcuffing is the easiest was to control her. "He only kneeled on a child for 30 seconds" oh neat Paper on school cops: https://www.brookings.edu/blog/brown-center-chalkboard/2018/11/08/does-more-policing-make-middle-schools-safer/ NYT artilce on school cops https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/12/us/schools-police-resource-officers.html Study from think tank on cops in schools: https://justicepolicy.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/educationunderarrest_fullreport.pdf Police in schools don't appear to have any significant affect at all on safety or school shootings, but what they HAVE been shown increase substantially punishments and arrests of minority children, disproportionately, and they're disproportionately put in schools that are majority children of color. If you're going to make a claim about the positive effects of school cops, while defending a grown person kneeling on a child, you better come with better than a local news story. There's not even any data in that poo poo.
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Mar 22, 2022 00:47
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"Oh well I guess he had to kneel on this this literal child and cuff her". I would highly recommend folks who feel this way in this thread talk to social workers and similar, who regularly handle grown adults weighing hundreds of pounds with zero neck sitting or cuffs. Jaxyon fucked around with this message at 02:54 on Mar 22, 2022 |
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Mar 22, 2022 02:42
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Fritz the Horse posted:Okay this is probably a good post to remind people itt that D&D Worth noting that poster is threadbanned but somehow half a dozen mods and idiot kings let them post 3 full pages in the previous thread including IKs replying to their posts. They were in the top 25 posters in that thread. They were banned from it in September of last year, 4 months before that iteration even was created. I did a double take when I read the probation reason, because I couldn't imagine how that poster was threadbanned. And that's why I'm posting here instead of DMing this. edit: vvv Oh no keep them banned, just based on these two posts alone. Jaxyon fucked around with this message at 02:58 on Mar 22, 2022 |
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Mar 22, 2022 02:49
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rules remain in effect and you're welcome to take a posting break if you feel the need to aggressively or passive-aggressively snipe at each other.
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Mar 22, 2022 19:55
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He's not saying he's against interracial marriage, you see, he's saying he's in favor of states rights. Which has never been used to hide a racist position.
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Mar 22, 2022 22:23
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Bishyaler posted:Remember how a bunch of people insisted that sanctions wouldn't result in Russian citizens starving? About that. I was one of the people saying it would cause stuff like this. I guess we can hope if people get desperate enough they'll throw themselves at Putins government? Seems like a pretty cruel tactic.
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Mar 22, 2022 23:17
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bobua posted:What's the alternative to sanctions? I've always understood it as pretty much sabre rattling, then sanctions, then bombs. Is the argument just for different sanctions, skipping sanctions, or other? If you don't care about human suffering, then yes that's your 3 options.
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Mar 22, 2022 23:53
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Florida is now actively refusing to recognize trans athletes, considers being trans cheating, and declaring that only cis athletes can be recognized as winners in sporting matches. It's not wild at all. Transgender women are the powerless group they can be performatively cruel to. They'll keep pushing it as long as it plays, and oh boy do conservatives love this issue. They cannot get enough of making fun of transgender women. They also get the TERFs so it can be bipartisan performative hate. That lady just wanted to compete in swimming and now she's going to live the next few years in constant fear so that some thumb-shaped walking bowtie can get votes.
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Mar 23, 2022 19:46
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Harold Fjord posted:Seems like a good way to get Florida schools barred from participating. That would require people who are not transgender to actually step up on the behalf of them. Lets see if it happens.
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Mar 23, 2022 20:10
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shimmy shimmy posted:poo poo's pretty hosed but it would be amusing in a very mean way to see a trans man absolutely dominate their sport instead. granted, that means subjecting that poor trans man to what i'm sure is going to be some insane levels of cruelty, but nobody ever ever ever seems to remember you can be trans in more than one direction. She was beaten in the 100 by a transgender man(competing in the women's category) who did significantly better than her and came in 7th I believe. She came in last. But nobody seems to even be aware that happened because transgender hate is 100% about homophobia and misogyny.
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Mar 23, 2022 21:03
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shimmy shimmy posted:To be honest I haven't looked into the details of any of it since it gets too depressing/infuriating for me as a trans woman, but yeah, not surprised. I understand.
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Mar 23, 2022 21:09
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Also on the transgender athletics issue, prepare to become super familiar with a single study and the number 12%, which is what a study in 2021 said was the advantage transgender women who have gone through male puberty have in some areas(but not others). All the transphobes I encounter online are clinging to it like superglued velcro.
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Mar 23, 2022 21:11
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VitalSigns posted:Interesting that nobody cares about biological factors that give way more than a 12% advantage in some sports like say being tall It depends. Does the advantage come in the form of a cis man like Michael Phelps, who produces half the lactic acid of anyone else and has super flexible joins? That's acceptable. Does the advantage come in the form of Caster Semenya, a cis woman who naturally produces a bit more testosterone than the average? No that's a ban. See if you can identify the relevant difference. Kalli posted:Yeah, it's remarkably naked bigotry. Pre transition the athlete in question was... 10s slower then the top male competition. In transitioning, she lost about 20s off her time and was.... 10s slower then the top female competition. If you mention any of this to transphobes it's pure Westworld. They won't even acknowledge you wrote a thing.
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Mar 23, 2022 21:25
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Archonex posted:Seeing the way folks in this forum turned on him for calling his colleagues out on their two faced bullshit was an eye opener, that's for sure. If you're going to be participating in electoral politics, you have to play nice somewhat. That includes humoring people who would gladly toast your death behind your back. It's a dirty system and politics is a extremely frustrating and bullshit-infused. "Being a dick" certainly feels good and righteous but likely as not it just makes you ineffective as an operative. If you want to be mad and yell true things at politicians, you should be an activist, not an elected rep.
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Mar 23, 2022 22:32
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If you're going to be an elected rep, you win the fights you can, and you lose more than you win. It sucks, but you're an idiot if you try to get elected to office without realizing that. Saying "oh Lee would have to compromise his values to stay in office" is trivially true. Yes. Of course he would. "They'll limit how much a leftist can do, if anything" Yes of course they will. Why the gently caress would you get into politics if you realize that? Assuming he's not a domestic abuser, that's great that he ejected himself on principle, but kinda silly he was there in the first place.
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Mar 23, 2022 23:51
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Archonex posted:This is ignoring my post/s pointing out how this is counter-intuitive to staying in office or getting things done. We even have posters in this very forum who are hardcore into purity politics and have openly refused to vote for anyone that doesn't meet their standards. If they're representative of a necessary part of the population of left leaning people to stay in office then you're essentially hosed either way, so why not make for at least the opportunity of positive change on the way out the door? I don't think anything Lee did was making an opportunity for positive change. I think the opportunity he had, limited as it was, involved him staying in office if he was going to the electoral route for change, rather than the activist or radical route. If the argument is that the status quo is such that the status quo needs to make a mistake for an elected leftist to get anything done at all....then why would you waste the time and energy to get elected? If you're hosed either way what opportunity was there for positive change, even on the way out? If you're going to say "well it made it clear they weren't going to have that vote" but also them not having that vote for years made it clear that they weren't going to have that vote so I'm not sure what the win was.
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" when people point out the fallacies in the strategy of quiet acceptance and the many, many, many, times and ways it's failed in the past.
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Harold Fjord posted:What is this Carter did domestic violence talk about? Everything I can find is about him talking about being abused and predates all of that RTW stuff. P I've never heard any of it but several people in this thread seem to think there's something to it.
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Archonex posted:To be fair, this isn't actually true. It's not that the rules weren't allowing for it. It's that the people who had power over those rules didn't want it to happen. This is a far easier to correct problem as those people can be voted out, though it demands both significant amounts of time and effort to build the necessary support to get a proper majority representing the interests of the populace and not private interests. I don't think you've really refuted anything I've said beyond making tangential arguments that decorum fetishization is bad(which I don't disagree with and wasn't arguing for), and also making the argument that Lee was already a lame duck due to his lack of infrastructure and so literally the only useful thing he could do was to flame out publically. I don't think that constitutes an argument that is substantially at odds with what I'm saying, it sounds like you're having an argument with what you think I'm saying. And if you think I'm arguing in bad faith, take it to the mods.
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VitalSigns posted:On this issue you mean surrender, not compromise. There was no compromise on the table, he was not offered half a loaf which he foolishly refused only to end up with nothing at all. The state party was not willing to meet him halfway to negotiate a mutually acceptable deal on right to work. They wanted no bill, no progress, no change to right to work at all. The compromise would have been his values, not with the leadership. I'm aware they were intending to go nowhere with it. Like I said, I respect his stance to leave, but I don't know what he was expecting by getting into electoral politics. VitalSigns posted:One thing I have trouble understanding in serious elevated political discourse, is why the people who want good things are the only ones expected to compromise, but the people who want just plain evil things are automatically assumed to be reasonable and are never expected to compromise. Really that's not accurate, because for the people who want good things to compromise, the people who want bad things would by definition have to be compromising with them, so really the good people are just always expected to 'be reasonable' by surrendering totally. That's not true. Everyone has to compromise. But if you have no power, no infrastructure as the other poster put it, and nothing to offer or take away....then nobody has any need to compromise with you. That's, in fact, the basic argument you are making when you say you'll withhold votes from democrats. And it doesn't get anything done yet, because there's not enough people doing it. And when you start to have enough, you're going to start compromising your values, because you're going to let some bad things happen in order to prove your point and gain your power, and that's going to suck. I'm not saying "be reasonable". Politics is incredibly unreasonable. There are no good people in politics because politics doesn't reward being good. Every politician you've ever admired has made deals you'd be horrified at.
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VitalSigns posted:Yeah I think that was basically the deal he was offered. It's possible that building up some power would have later allowed him to do some good stuff, but without a substantial power base, yeah he's just going to be able to do nothing. And yes, building up power would have required him to abandon a bunch of principles. That's how this works. That's why I don't run for office(among dozens of other reasons)
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Pobrecito posted:I thought this was a very interesting twitter thread: Everybody always knew this what this was about. It's useful to see it explicit, but pretty much everyone knows what the real issue is, and it was extra obvious as soon as Europe swallowed a million Ukrainian immigrants with zero protests but stopped the black Ukrainians at the border.
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Mar 24, 2022 19:11
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Willa Rogers posted:Also, this chart for lols since I came across it while looking for the med-cost survey: I realize Medicaid is not Medicare, but you're aware that was at least part of the reason for limiting Medicare to olds right? Same reason why SS was initially much more limited.
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That's interesting because when I try to talk science with TERFs they don't want to talk science.
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Willa Rogers posted:I meant liberals who say that single-payer will never ever happen bc those guys over there don't want people of color to get it, when liberals themselves are the emperors of means-testing and other gate-keeping that ends up hurting people of color. (See KFF charts above about who's impacted the most when it comes to medical costs.) Historically it's true. I'm not a liberal, but I am saying that single payer is hard to get passed because the white people over here(ie democrats and the liberals) also don't want people of color to get it.
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Oxyclean posted:Second: Seems really short-sighted. You can squeeze employees more, but with people having less disposable income, they're going to eat your second rate junk less. Executives only work short sighted. You're likely going to have moved in within 3 years so this quarter is all that matters.
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Willa Rogers posted:^^^ lol, ofc. It's both of those things. Never underestimate the racism of white people as part of US politics.
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Willa Rogers posted:^^^ "We starved some folks." I never said you did, nor did I say that it was the greater of the two causes. Your earlier post made it sound like "ventriloquism" was completely unfounded, and I'm saying it's not. It sounds as if we mostly agree.
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People used to say that Thomas was Scalia's puppet, and it was racist then. You can hate Thomas and his wife both for a ton of valid reasons and don't need to do weird takes.
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Bishyaler posted:Haven't a bunch of liberal-leaning people in this thread argued that the mass hardship and death caused by sanctions is worth it for regime change? How come its okay for other countries but not us? Have they? Go ahead and quote 3 or more of them since you said "a bunch". Though this kind of response would kind of indicate you agree with them?
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Bishyaler posted:Well, in the last thread here's people that argued for sanctions: None of those make the argument you wish they had made. And again, you're arguing that if they were, they were right.
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Bishyaler posted:This all goes back to Mellow Seas making the point: "Transitioning from one government/constitution to another is not easy and would produce massive amounts of hardship (if not an outright war), most of which would fall on the most vulnerable" Those people seem to think that sanctions work in many ways(oligarchs only, and such poo poo), and that it's possible for them to happen without mass suffering being the point. I don't agree with them. I don't see anyone who thinks that regime shouldn't happen in the US based on the suffering, I think Mellow is pointing out that it will happen, which people like to gloss over. I'm not sure anyone in the thread is making the argument you're trying to argue against.
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Nonsense posted:https://twitter.com/baseballcrank/status/1507197054275174400?s=20 It's not going "completely insane". It's how people who know they are in the wrong handle any hint of accontability. If you react at a 10 no matter what, people stop trying to hold you accountable because it's too much work.
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punk rebel ecks posted:It's something that other democratic nations do all the time. It's not exactly some unholy unheard of radical idea. I'm not disagreeing or disbelieving you, but I can't find any examples of this. virtualboyCOLOR posted:Yeah this may be its own can of warms but there is no such thing as “fairness” in sports, especially when you are speaking on an individual by individual level. Correct. It's not about fairness, at all. Nobody has issues with Michael Phelps producing a fraction of the lactic acid as his competitors, combined with hyper-flexible joints....which is a huge unfair advantage. It's about transmisogyny. Jaxyon fucked around with this message at 01:56 on Mar 27, 2022 |
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Dick Trauma posted:I have brought you all something even worse to discuss. lol he got that one from a batshit lady in texas who was running for minor office. who probably got trolled by some kid who's very loving smug right now.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Gas prices aren't bothering all Americans. They could provide healthcare to folks but lol Alaska.
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