US CE Spring 2022: I'm convinced it's useless which is why I argue about it all day every day

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PeterCat: Apr 8, 2020; Believe women.

Mellow Seas posted:

e: Also if Biden can run at 80 why not Bernie at 81? "Super old left wing chief executive" worked out okay for California.

The Castro brothers are the only ones there who give a good impression. But yeah, bringing up Bernie's age when compared to Trump and Biden was majorly disingenuous.

# ¿ Mar 21, 2022 21:40

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# ¿ May 10, 2024 10:18

PeterCat: Apr 8, 2020; Believe women.

Jaxyon posted:

Since apparently the only part important about the last time I mentioned this seemed to be specifically which tool the CBP was oppressing minorities with:

Reminder that the US refugee policy is about as openly racist as it can be without outright doing the Family Guy color card

The Ukrainians are being paroled into the US as refugees, this means that they are given a set period of time to be in the US before they have to apply for admission, which is the term for being legally allowed to be in the United States, versus entry, which is being physically present in the US.

That being said, were you aware that most of the Haitians picked up at Del Rio were allowed to stay in the United States? And that President Biden gave temporary protected status to over 100,000 Haitians last July?

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/watch-live-mayorkas-joins-white-house-briefing-amid-scrutiny-of-u-s-treatment-of-haitian-migrants

https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2021/08/03/2021-16481/designation-of-haiti-for-temporary-protected-status

# ¿ Mar 22, 2022 00:13

PeterCat: Apr 8, 2020; Believe women.

Velocity Raptor posted:

Like, holy gently caress, it's a 12 year old. You don't need to put your body weight on them to restrain them, and there is no reason to loving handcuff them. Teachers used to break up fights on occasion when I was in highschool and they managed to do it without throwing someone to the floor, kneeling on their neck, or handcuffing them.

And then the rear end in a top hat gets put on vacation as a consequence and has the gall to whine that this is all very hard on him.

gently caress cops always, forever and a day.

So? He kneeled on her for all of 30 seconds, can't tell if it was on her neck since the video resolution is so low. And handcuffing is the easiest was to control her.

Getting rid of resource control officers has done nothing but increase violence in schools.

https://who13.com/news/parents-continue-to-raise-concerns-about-violence-in-des-moines-public-schools/

WHO posted:

DES MOINES, Iowa � More parents are speaking out about violence in Des Moines Public Schools. Last week, they brought their concerns about a lack of school resource officers to the school board. The board did not do anything about it, leaving some parents feeling frustrated and fearful to send their kids to school.

�It�s ridiculous that there are this many fights going on because when I was in school it wasn�t that bad,� Joy Heathcote, a DMPS alumna with kids in the district, said.

Heathcote said too often her kids send her violent videos of fights from school, and she�s not alone.

�What�s going on right now, it�s getting worse,� Aveantai Smith, another DMPS parent, said. �It�s not getting better.�

Smith�s kids send her similar scenes, which led to her opinion: �I don�t feel like kids are safe at Des Moines Public Schools at all.�

Both mothers think getting rid of school resource officers has led to more fights. The district points to data showing calls for police assistance are down, but at the same time the district�s own survey found students are feeling less safe.

�It�s such an icky feeling to have to send her to school,� said one foster parent in the district who wants to remain anonymous. �You know, is this the day that something bad is going to happen?�

In place of SROs, administrators have increased the number of campus monitors at high schools and they started training staff on how to de-escalate tense situations.

Still, new videos keep surfacing and even end up on social media, including an Instagram page called �Brody Fights.�

�Nobody�s doing anything. No one�s helping them,� Heathcote said. �No one�s hearing the cries of not only the teachers, but the students, the parents. It�s getting really, really bad.�

A spokesperson with DMPS said this issue will be a part of regular and ongoing discussions between the school board and administrators moving forward.

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# ¿ Mar 22, 2022 00:24

PeterCat: Apr 8, 2020; Believe women.

theCalamity posted:

https://twitter.com/argojournal/status/1516588104311783446?s=21&t=egyiJXY_X3W5I1g2mpv3pg

It�s this kind of stuff that makes me believe that the Democrats will do nothing to stop fascism and will sometimes signal towards it. Moving to end this racist policy was a step in the right direction, but now they might delay it

This seems like something that should go in the immigration thread.

# ¿ Apr 20, 2022 03:11

PeterCat: Apr 8, 2020; Believe women.

The US is ending Title 42 exemptions for Ukrainians, so they will not be permitted entry at POEs on the Mexican border. To be granted refugee parole in the US, the Ukrainians must be sponsored by an individual or group prior to their arrival.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ukraine-refugee-sponsorship-program-us-resettlement/

CBS posted:

The Biden administration is launching a program that will allow U.S. citizens and groups to financially sponsor Ukrainians displaced by the Russian invasion of their country so that they can come to the U.S. sooner, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) and President Biden announced Thursday.

Ukrainians who are selected to travel to the U.S. under the initiative will be granted humanitarian parole, allowing them to bypass the visa and refugee programs, which typically take years to complete. While it does not offer permanent status, parole would allow Ukrainians to live and work in the U.S. for two years.

The sponsorship program, dubbed "Uniting for Ukraine" and set to launch on April 25, is the first concrete U.S. policy aimed at fulfilling Mr. Biden's pledge of welcoming up to 100,000 of the 5 million Ukrainians who have fled their homeland as part of the largest refugee crisis since World War II.

"This new humanitarian parole program will complement the existing legal pathways available to Ukrainians, including immigrant visas and refugee processing," Mr. Biden said in remarks at the White House. "It will provide an expedient channel for secure, legal migration from Europe to the United States for Ukrainians who have a U.S. sponsor, such as a family or a [nongovernmental organization]."

The policy, administration officials said, is also designed to discourage Ukrainians from traveling to Mexico to seek entry along the U.S. southern border, where U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) processed a record 3,274 Ukrainians in March alone, a jump of more than 1,100% from February.

U.S. immigration officials have processed nearly 15,000 undocumented Ukrainians in the past three months, most of them along the Mexican border, a senior DHS official said during a call with reporters Thursday.

In early March, U.S. officials at border crossings were directed to consider admitting Ukrainians under humanitarian exemptions to the Title 42 pandemic restrictions. But administration officials said on Thursday that U.S. border authorities will no longer process Ukrainians who lack travel documents on April 25.

Starting then, the senior DHS official said, "we will apply Title 42 equally to all nationalities at the border," referring to the migrant expulsion policy that is set to expire on May 23.

"Ukrainian nationals who present and do not have a visa or have not gone through the 'Uniting for Ukraine' program will no longer be paroled, unless they have some other factor that would lead a border official, a CBP officer, to make a case-by-case determination that do they merit a humanitarian exception for Title 42," the senior DHS official added.

The president said the new initiative "will ensure the United States honors its commitment to go to the Ukrainian people and need not go through our southern border."

Once the sponsorship program opens for applications later this month, U.S. individuals or organizations seeking to sponsor Ukrainians overseas will need to file affidavits of financial support and undergo background checks. DHS will then determine whether they qualify to be sponsors.

In order to be granted permission to travel to the U.S., Ukrainians will need to be first identified by their prospective sponsors, as they will not be able to apply for the program directly, administration officials said. Ukrainians will be eligible for the sponsorship initiative if they had resided in Ukraine as of February 11.

If the sponsorship is approved, the Ukrainians identified by U.S. sponsors will need to undergo security screenings overseas to ensure they will not pose a security or public safety risk to the U.S. They will also be required to be vaccinated against communicable diseases.

The sponsorship initiative announced Thursday could benefit thousands of displaced Ukrainians with U.S. ties who, until now, have faced limited options to come to the U.S. directly. An administration official said the U.S. expects the "majority" of Ukrainians welcomed by the U.S. to arrive through the new program.

"We are proud to deliver on President Biden's commitment to welcome 100,000 Ukrainians and others fleeing Russian aggression to the United States," Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas said Thursday.

U.S. visa applicants face lengthy wait times due to massive application backlogs worsened by the pandemic, and many Ukrainians may not qualify for visas. Meanwhile, the U.S. refugee process, which was crippled by COVID-19, takes between 18 to 24 months to complete for the select few allowed to enter the pipeline.

Citing interviews with displaced Ukrainians, administration officials said they created the parole program because their understanding is that many Ukrainians are seeking a temporary safe haven, not permanent resettlement.

Ukrainians who enter the U.S. through the parole program could, however, face legal limbo if they decide to stay permanently since they won't have a clear pathway to U.S. residency, just like the tens of thousands of Afghan evacuees who were paroled last year after the Taliban seized control of Afghanistan.

But the administration on Thursday also announced an effort to refer more Ukrainians to the U.S. refugee program, focusing on identifying vulnerable displaced individuals in eastern Europe, including women, children, the elderly, people with severe medical conditions and members of the LGBTQ community.

The State Department, a senior administration official said, is also working to track down 18,000 Ukrainians who had entered the U.S. refugee pipeline before the Russian invasion under the so-called Lautenberg program, which allows religious minorities in former Soviet republics to obtain expedited U.S. resettlement.

U.S. refugee resettlement staff who relocated to Moldova after their Kyiv post was closed due to the war have identified "a number" of Ukrainians in eastern Europe who have pending Lautenberg program cases, the official said.

Administration officials said U.S. embassies and consulates are also working to increase appointments for Ukrainians seeking temporary U.S. visas and to expedite cases of Ukrainians with urgent humanitarian, medical or otherwise "extraordinary" needs.

While the U.S. set out to resettle up to 125,000 refugees from across the globe in fiscal year 2022, fewer than 9,000 refugees have been admitted so far, State Department figures show. In March, just a dozen Ukrainians entered the U.S. as refugees.

Matthew La Corte, an immigration policy analyst at the libertarian-leaning Niskanen Center, said the Ukrainian sponsorship program could help the Biden administration achieve its goal of allowing Americans to sponsor refugees from different countries. Late last year, the U.S. announced a smaller program for groups of U.S. citizens hoping to sponsor Afghan refugees.

"This urgency around Ukraine can ultimately speed up the launch of full private sponsorship, which has the opportunity to help the administration expand the resettlement system," La Corte told CBS News. "They've really struggled, 15 months into the administration, to resettle large numbers of refugees."

# ¿ Apr 24, 2022 22:02

PeterCat: Apr 8, 2020; Believe women.

Kalit posted:

Do y'all just not care much about us finally getting out of Afghanistan after 20 years?

3 months after the deadline that Trump had already negotiated.

# ¿ Apr 28, 2022 04:41

PeterCat: Apr 8, 2020; Believe women.

RBA Starblade posted:

Well that's true

Protip: if it involves your fusebox, it's always

If you still have a fusebox, it's time to call an electrician and upgrade.

# ¿ Apr 29, 2022 04:19

PeterCat: Apr 8, 2020; Believe women.

selec posted:

Likelihood of Trump Indictment in Manhattan Fades as Grand Jury Wraps Up

The Manhattan district attorney is continuing to investigate Mr. Trump, but knowledgeable people say charges are unlikely to occur in the foreseeable future, if ever.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/29/nyregion/trump-investigation-alvin-bragg-grand-jury.html

Same as it ever was. The master�s tools etc etc.

Again, takes me back to the argument against defund then police: what�s your idea? You can�t reform a system with the same people who make up the system as it exists, period. The justice system is thoroughly broken and unable to contend with the wealthy and powerful. So why bother believing the cops can meaningfully impact crime? Why bother supporting law and order when it�s obviously just voting for someone who will gently caress with me, but never the people who are loving up the country writ large?

Is this the SDNY that everyone was talking about or is that a different jurisdiction?

# ¿ Apr 29, 2022 23:36

PeterCat: Apr 8, 2020; Believe women.

Bishyaler posted:

I would be interested to see statistics on ghost guns to see their involvement in crime, or if this is a solution in search of a problem.

"As the final rule explains, from January 2016 to December 2021, ATF received approximately 45,240 reports of suspected privately made firearms recovered by law enforcement, including in 692 homicide or attempted homicide investigations. The chart below demonstrates the total annual numbers of suspected PMFs recovered by law enforcement over the past six years:"

Note this doesn't say that the firearms were actually produced in private, just that it is suspected that they are, and of those 692 were used in homicide or attempted homicides covering that 7 year period.

Here are the number of murders in the US by year and number of firearm deaths in 2020. 692 over 7 years from the tens of thousands of firearms murders committed in the US over that period seems like a drop in the bucket.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/195325/murder-victims-in-the-us-by-weapon-used/

https://www.statista.com/statistics/191134/reported-murder-and-nonnegligent-manslaughter-cases-in-the-us-since-1990/

# ¿ May 1, 2022 09:39

PeterCat: Apr 8, 2020; Believe women.

Mr Interweb posted:

not sure if this is the right thread to ask, but had a question that's been bugging me for quite a while:

https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/USA/united-states/military-spending-defense-budget

why is it that defense spending under reagan was much higher as a percentage of gpd than during any of the post clinton years? according to that graph, under reagan, defense spending hovered between 6-7%. whereas not a single year past 2003 went over 5%. and yes, i know we had that whole cold war thing going on, but we had, you know, an ACTUAL war (TWO OF THEM IN FACT!) since dubya. how does that work?

The defense budget is passed in terms of dollars, not in percent of the GDP, and the GDP keeps getting bigger. So we spend more money but it's a smaller portion of the economy.

Also, the 1980s were a period where the US was spending a lot of money to modernize and rebuild the military after the low points of the 1970s, and we were goading the USSR into trying to match our spending, which eventually ran them into the ground.

# ¿ May 6, 2022 01:01

PeterCat: Apr 8, 2020; Believe women.

Nelson Mandingo posted:

This is some wild poo poo.

I mean, obviously they're not operating on logic here, but logically shouldn't they criminalize male masturbation as well? By the logic that IUD's are murder, ejaculation not in a vagina is also explicitly mass murder.

And I mean. Isn't a condom also murder? It's the same principal.

No, they're making a distinction between a fertilized egg and an egg and sperm on their own.

# ¿ May 6, 2022 07:50

PeterCat: Apr 8, 2020; Believe women.

Professor Beetus posted:

IUDs being abortifacients is a common social myth, fertilized eggs fail to implant in the uterine lining at the same rate in women with or without IUDs.

Ok?
I was explaining why they'd treat a fertilized egg differently than sperm and an egg on their own.

# ¿ May 6, 2022 08:27

PeterCat: Apr 8, 2020; Believe women.

Koos Group posted:

I hadn't heard this, so I looked it up. It seems defund the police rhetoric hasn't caused an increase in violent crime (or at least homicides) but a three to one majority of Americans believe it has.

The number of murders per year is skyrocketing, what are you talking about?

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# ¿ May 7, 2022 08:02

PeterCat: Apr 8, 2020; Believe women.

Lemming posted:

Could you explain how the graph disproves the claim "It seems defund the police rhetoric hasn't caused an increase in violent crime (or at least homicides)"? It's not very clear how it shows that just talking about defunding the police has directly led to a large increase in homicides and violent crime.

Seems like a bad idea to defund law enforcement in the middle of a huge increase in murder.

# ¿ May 7, 2022 08:50

PeterCat: Apr 8, 2020; Believe women.

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

40% of American Households will now be eligible for free 100 mbps internet.

Program was originally part of a Coronavirus relief package, but the White House is using funds from the infrastructure bill to make it permanent. Eligible Americans going from 11.3 million households to 48 million households.

Edit: New website is up. According to White House tweet, this is the new website for it: https://www.whitehouse.gov/getinternet/?utm_source=getinternet.gov

https://twitter.com/business/status/1523677435413286912

https://twitter.com/WhiteHouse/status/1523636760336637952

40% are eligible, eh?

Here are the requirements:

You have to sign up for the benefit, then find out if an ISP offers a compatible program in your area, probably have to prove your eligibility to the government and the ISP, then receive your (up to) $30 from the government, and then pay it to the ISP.

The amount of paperwork involved and running back and forth between the two entities is going to deter a lot of people from using this benefit. The benefit also only provides $100 towards a laptop or tablet to access the internet, and you have to have to the internet to sign up for the benefit in the first place.

# ¿ May 10, 2022 00:24

PeterCat: Apr 8, 2020; Believe women.

LionArcher posted:

I got probed today in the Supreme Court thread for pointing out one poster was clearly trolling when he asked, �oh, the Supreme Court justices aren�t legitimate? why not?� And I called him a debate Andy. The mod I�ve never heard of gave me a sixer because quote �seems mean�. The poster who was trolling? Nothing.

But this is why I generally stay out of D&D in the first place.

Because this is useful when discussing the Supreme Court:

LionArcher posted:

Love posters thinking protesting is a bridge too far. If they pass this the justices should be afraid. So should everyone in the media demanding decorum.

# ¿ May 10, 2022 06:29

PeterCat: Apr 8, 2020; Believe women.

LionArcher posted:

Yes it is. If you think the Supreme Court passing (or soon to pass) a law that will kill thousands of women a year isn�t an act of violence that should be met with at the very least intimidation, you�re not playing a serious game.

So the only real difference between you and the 1/6 guys are the issues you feel are important.

Since you think that intimidation is the least the court should be met with, what do you think is the most it should be met with?

# ¿ May 10, 2022 06:50

PeterCat: Apr 8, 2020; Believe women.

LionArcher posted:

It doesn�t matter if it�s not common belief. Furthermore, it�s very obvious they are illegitimate. We have one justice that is only there by one simple trick, a rapist, and a cult member who�s unqualified.

I'm probably risking a probe here, but we have a president who has a charge of rape against him that is as credible as the charge against Kavanaugh.

Does that make Biden illegitimate?

From

https://www.supremecourt.gov/about/faq_general.aspx#:~:text=The%20Constitution%20does%20not%20specify,been%20trained%20in%20the%20law.

website posted:

The Constitution does not specify qualifications for Justices such as age, education, profession, or native-born citizenship.

# ¿ May 10, 2022 06:52

PeterCat: Apr 8, 2020; Believe women.

LionArcher posted:

Yes, that is totally what I said in my post. Congrats on conflating people�s rights being taken away and people being upset with it with people who wanted to murder a bunch of members of Congress and the Vice President.

You said intimidation was the least the court should face, what do you think is the most they should face?

# ¿ May 10, 2022 06:56

PeterCat: Apr 8, 2020; Believe women.

LionArcher posted:

Kava wasn�t legitimate for lying under oath, and having over a million dollars of debt mysteriously paid off. The rapist part should have mattered but of course doesn�t. Him perjuring himself technically does. Of course it technically doesn�t under this one weird trick (nobody in power cares.)

But you didn't mention perjury as the reason Kavanaugh was illegitimate, you stated he was a rapist because it's more inflammatory.

And if he committed perjury, let him be impeached if the Congress can prove it.

# ¿ May 10, 2022 07:05

PeterCat: Apr 8, 2020; Believe women.

Total Party Kill posted:

At first glance, I'd say touch�. However, keeping the proletariat xenophobic and distrustful of the "other" is the best way to distract them from the outright crimes being perpetrated on them. If I'm too busy cursing China and planning to assault my Chinese-American neighbors, I'm drat sure not going to realize the only person paying those tariffs of Trump's are me and my pigshit family. If I'm too scared of anything "communist" (like those goddamn CHINEEEEEESE!!!), I'm certainly never going to fight for the evil socialist universal healthcare that will one day save my stupid hick life. Racism, which is all of what Trump's trade war was ever really about, serves capital. Hell, like, all of Trump's garbage is manufactured in China.

Yes, when a factory in NE Iowa making wiring harnesses for John Deere is shuttered and the production sent to China, racism is the only reason the people in the US who lost their jobs would have for being pissed about it. And they certainly wouldn't be motivated to vote for a candidate who runs on a platform of stopping that process and bringing those jobs back.

This has been a long, slow process since Nixon went to China. Clinton exacerbated it, and W. went all in on it. So of course people are going to vote for someone who presents themselves as being outside the mainstream of the political establishment rather than the group that brought them here in the first place.

# ¿ May 11, 2022 00:42

PeterCat: Apr 8, 2020; Believe women.

Jaxyon posted:

Yes. It's the only reason you'd be pissed about Chinese people.

The company you worked for decided to fire you so they could afford a second and third yacht, it seems like you should be mad at them but they're usually white sooooooooooo

The workers just want their jobs, they don't actually give a poo poo how much the boss makes.

If the factory went to Mexico they'd be pissed about that too. The factory moving is the thing, not where it went, but China is the place most of them are going so it gets the focus.

# ¿ May 11, 2022 00:56

PeterCat: Apr 8, 2020; Believe women.

Dick Trauma posted:

https://twitter.com/eleanor_mueller/status/1524186915737640960?s=20&t=_k7MpBWdFAlLy5zJXJhojQ

What if the staffers just formed a union and told the Congress to deal with it?

# ¿ May 11, 2022 06:11

PeterCat: Apr 8, 2020; Believe women.

Jaxyon posted:

LOL

They're also racist against Mexicans. Nobody's mad at the Irish or Canadians for taking their jobs.

Who they should be mad at, is the person responsible for them losing their jobs. The racism is easier, though.

Nobody from China ever took a job. Or Mexico.

May I educate you on the history of meat packing in Sioux City, Iowa?

In 1980 the meat packers union struck IBP. IBP responded by locking out the union, shipping in Mexicans to work in the plants, and putting them up in a shanty till they broke the union.

# ¿ May 11, 2022 06:17

PeterCat: Apr 8, 2020; Believe women.

But let's put it this way. Workers in the US recognize they're getting screwed. People ITT react with, "well the workers ought to hand the factory owners, that'll solve things!"

Or the workers find a politician who speaks to their interests and votes for that politician. It's not out of racial animus but out of self-preservation. They're using the governmental apparatus to further their interests. Imagine if the democratic party offered such a thing.

And as far as tariffs go, it amazes me that people who should otherwise know better don't understand how they work. The point of them is to cause companies to have to raise prices that the savings of cheap overseas labor are mitigated and it encourages the companies to bring the manufacturing back to the US. They do work, look at the sugar industry, or how they helped out Harley Davidson in the 80s.

# ¿ May 11, 2022 06:29

PeterCat: Apr 8, 2020; Believe women.

Do people honestly believe that if the Title 42 order is lifted that the people being removed under it will be allowed to stay? Here something that isn't mentioned very often, if someone is removed under Title 8 and is caught re-entering the country they can be put in prison for up to 2 years. If you are removed under Title 42 you have have not been convicted of a crime and will not face any additional penalty for re-entry.

The group that is most directly targeted by Title 42 removals is single men. Families are generally processed under Title 8, are given a court date, and allowed to stay in the country.

Though this seems more appropriate for the Immigration Policy thread rather than the CE thread.

https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3848439&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=35

Also, migrants who are processed by the CBP are offered the Covid vaccine, though they are not required to be immunized to stay in the US. However, people wishing to legally immigrate to the US must show proof of vaccination.

prospect.org posted:

Another source described to the Prospect that, after learning that Russians were crossing the southern U.S. border at higher rates, Rice realized that alongside them were also Mexican immigrants. She then organized additional screenings to detain and expel Mexicans without furthering a plan to address the rise in Russians. �Rather than making moves to address the swelling Russian population, Susan discovered that a high number of Mexicans were copying that influx. She deployed asylum officers to do extra screenings at a higher threshold to make sure that they could be expelled,� the source said.

This part doesn't make any sense either. Everyone the CBP catches crossing the border is taken to a CBP station, processed, and assessed under Title 42 or Title 8. I don't know what "additional screening" could be applied.

PeterCat fucked around with this message at 00:08 on May 12, 2022

# ¿ May 12, 2022 00:02

PeterCat: Apr 8, 2020; Believe women.

theCalamity posted:

It would be nice to see.

On a similar note:

https://twitter.com/ErinInTheMorn/status/1524200246330417154?s=20&t=J4lYUKutaFl5W4O3h3AhiQ

This is great and it would be nice to see more of this

Nice to see they continue to recognize corporations as people.

The Republican copy writes itself, "Democrats recognize Disney as a person, but not a child in its mother's womb."

Very tone deaf.

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# ¿ May 12, 2022 09:07

PeterCat: Apr 8, 2020; Believe women.

VideoGameVet posted:

Yeah ...

Biden used Covid funding to pay for the National Guard troops at the SW Border. He's encouraging cities to spend Covid money on more police. Covid money is not being spend on Covid relief and for most people Covid is functionally over.

Ukraine needs our help, and Russia needs to be contained. And Russia shouldn't be spending money on a war when it has internal problems that need to be addressed.

# ¿ May 13, 2022 20:53

PeterCat: Apr 8, 2020; Believe women.

Nucleic Acids posted:

None of that is a good enough justification.

You're acting like it's an either/or scenario.

Think of all the money the US has spent on military equipment. Giving that equipment to people who are defending their homes from a foreign invader is the best possible use for it.

# ¿ May 13, 2022 21:10

PeterCat: Apr 8, 2020; Believe women.

Nucleic Acids posted:

Except it is basically an either/or scenario, because we can basically call up billions to buy more missiles for Ukraine as needed in the midst of multiple ongoing domestic disasters, such as a baby food shortage.

Modern monetary theory holds that money isn't real.

What are you, a deficit hawk?

# ¿ May 13, 2022 22:24

PeterCat: Apr 8, 2020; Believe women.

TheIncredulousHulk posted:

"We can walk and chew gum at the same time" may be true but it's also not a very compelling response when there's zero walking being done while the gum chewing remains relentless to the point of appearing unstoppable

Biden explicitly rejected Medicare for all. Why would you be surprised that he isn't spending money on health care.

He also told Millennials to cry him a river about their problems.

So nothing he's doing is surprising.

# ¿ May 13, 2022 22:30

PeterCat: Apr 8, 2020; Believe women.

FlamingLiberal posted:

Another right-wing piece of poo poo livestreamed himself shooting up a supermarket, this time in Buffalo NY. There are at least 8 confirmed dead and it appears that he was taken into custody.

https://twitter.com/IwriteOK/status/1525572912836554752?s=20&t=N_MoPbV6c8vrCVJ3nc1CgQ

Another dipshit who couldn't get laid.

The Sunday after Columbine happened our priest gave a sermon and literally said "if you're thinking of killing a bunch of people, and then yourself, kill yourself first."

That said, I'm glad the news isn't putting out the guy's name or picture. We don't need to give them press or fame, just prison and the memory hole.

# ¿ May 14, 2022 22:17

PeterCat: Apr 8, 2020; Believe women.

It amazes me how many ACAB leftists' view on Ukraine seems to be "stop resisting!"

I never hear calls of "Russia should just withdraw from Ukraine," it's always "Ukraine should top resisting and other countries should stop supporting Ukraine because it will just prolong the war. Also, Ukrainians are Nazis."

# ¿ May 15, 2022 22:59

PeterCat: Apr 8, 2020; Believe women.

The Sean posted:

Can you quote any specific posts like this in the thread?

Yeah, basically everything that Cat Botherer has posted.

# ¿ May 15, 2022 23:50

PeterCat: Apr 8, 2020; Believe women.

TheIncredulousHulk posted:

I'm not sure it's any less contradictory a view than vocally anti-gun liberals hooting and hollering about the moral righteousness of shipping much deadlier weapons overseas en masse and telling Ukrainians shoot their way to freedom whereas domestically even the hint of physical resistance to violence is labeled as futile and/or insane apocalypse fantasy. Nobody's worldview is entirely coherent

Unless I'm mistaken, the liberal view of gun control is that firearms are appropriate for the military to have to wage war with, but not for the average citizen to have private ownership of. Supplying the Ukrainian military is not the same thing as imagining some kind of popular uprising with your AR-15.

# ¿ May 15, 2022 23:52

PeterCat: Apr 8, 2020; Believe women.

cat botherer posted:

Yet another example would be Iraq. The liberal consensus at the time supported toppling Saddam, because he was a ruthless and horrible dictator (true), but also because because they bought into a convenient narrative that he had something to do with 9/11 and had WMDs (false). Leftists warned strongly against this at the time, but were roundly shouted down. The conflict, and those that spiraled out of it (like Syria) have killed over a million people.

So, are you saying that Russian should withdraw from Ukraine and retreat to the pre-2014 borders?

If not, why not?

# ¿ May 15, 2022 23:54

PeterCat: Apr 8, 2020; Believe women.

TheIncredulousHulk posted:

What difference does that make

It's the difference between an unorganized militia with small arms versus a professional military being supplied with APC, artillery pieces, anti-tank weapons, etc.

Look at the difference in how the Russians are performing in Ukraine vs Syria, where they did very well against lightly armed insurgents, but got completely smoked when they attempted to attack a small US force.

# ¿ May 16, 2022 00:08

PeterCat: Apr 8, 2020; Believe women.

The Sean posted:

You said multiple people were saying this. You said that it "amazes you how many."

You said "posts," of which Cat Botherer has made many. I wasn't qualifying my statement to only people that post in this thread though.

# ¿ May 16, 2022 00:14

PeterCat: Apr 8, 2020; Believe women.

The Sean posted:

You literally said "leftists" which is plural of a population, not one poster.

Receipts:

I was able to quote what I was referring to. You haven't done that.

LoL.

Yes, I said leftists, not leftists in this thread.

# ¿ May 16, 2022 01:52

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# ¿ May 10, 2024 10:18

PeterCat: Apr 8, 2020; Believe women.

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PeterCat fucked around with this message at 04:30 on May 16, 2022

# ¿ May 16, 2022 04:17

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