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Solkanar512 posted:Really? Which Dems did this, specifically? How many lawsuits were filed? How many concrete plans to try and subvert the vote totals or change electors were made by democratic operatives, much like the Eastman memo? they were called the Hamilton Electors, op. and while, like January 6th, their attempt to subvert the electoral college ended up just being an impotent temper tantrum, they -did- actually outdo the MAGA dipshits by changing a couple of votes in the electoral college! my favorite detail is that in order to demonstrate that they weren't being ~partisan~ in their attempt to subvert the american democratic process, they proposed throwing their votes to a guy who had not run for president at all, Colin Powell.
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Solkanar512 posted:Wait, so now if you question whether or not your mom or some rando blogger is as much of the Democratic establishment as paid members of the Trump campaign/administration inciting crowds or filing lawsuits are members of the Republican establishment, it's just a "no true scotsman fallacy"? Give a me break. I'll gladly concede the Democratic impotent tantrum in hopes of subverting the electoral college was much more successful than the Republican one was, if that makes it any better they got a whole ten people to go faithless, actually including a couple of republicans!
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Mar 21, 2022 20:21
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Lib and let die posted:poo poo, I didn't think it'd be that easy of a sell. You gotta try the cleah chowdah next time you're in town if you haven't already! time was you could argue that people like this were outliers, but, well. democratic elected officials at all levels have long since proved sex crimes are not a matter that concern them. I wonder what the next step of the Cuomo Comeback Tour is going to be.
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Mar 21, 2022 21:17
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Discendo Vox posted:The explicit "some" is described in the text of the article. It's Trump, Putin, and Miller. Every other voice, including the editorial voice of the article, is about how the idea is garbage. when you say "the explicit some," do you mean the article establishes these are the only three people with that view, or are you two layers of implication deep, attempting to imply that -the article- attempts to imply that they are the only three.
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Mar 22, 2022 16:27
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Willa Rogers posted:Someone (I think Leon) pointed out in the last CE thread that McAuliffe lost the Virginia race last year bc of olds' voting. Turns out that was bc youngs dropped off in voting: the Virginia Model turning out to be 'tell younger voters you'll do things for them, once in power tell them to eat poo poo and gently caress off, then be shocked when they don't vote for you' does put a neat little bow on that dumb chapter of our history
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Mar 23, 2022 15:40
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Mellow Seas posted:Could you give some examples of this pattern? I’m not familiar enough with Northam’s term to know exactly what you’re talking about. What did VA Dems promise young voters and how did they tell them to gently caress off? (Genuine question.) the big one is minimum wage; miraculously while they had control of state government nobody was ever able to get around to scheduling a vote on increasing it then that Lee Carter rear end in a top hat made a show out of scheduling a vote on whether or not they should vote on it and the Virginia democratic party made a great show of saying 'no, gently caress off, we do not want to raise the minimum wage'
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Mar 23, 2022 15:48
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Bishyaler posted:There's lots of behaviors exhibited by the Democrat Party that can only be interpreted as some variation of: "Fundraising is easier when we aren't in power". there are two honest answers to this question: desperation on the lower end, and fandom on the higher end. there have always been people who will turn presidents into weird celebrity totems, but one of the increasingly worrying things is watching the process sink down to lower and lesser politicians in a world where no politician can offer you anything material, what can you expect of a campaign other than it provides you an entertaining character to root for.
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Mar 23, 2022 15:57
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:I think you are thinking of Right to Work. That was the issue where Lee got the local unions, DSA, and Democratic establishment mad at him.. gently caress, so I was! pretty sure that he'd managed to piss off everyone beforehand and the right to work stunt was him trying an unsuccessful Hail Mary to save his political career, but it was convenient for both him and his enemies to say 'yup, it's the right to work thing that's why Lee's on the outs, and nothing else he's done'
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Mar 23, 2022 16:00
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Solkanar512 posted:What is it that you know that the local unions, DSA and other activists do not? What exactly are they missing in their analysis? that Virginia democrats should have voted to repeal Right to Work, and not retain it, evidently.
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Mar 23, 2022 17:56
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Lib and let die posted:He did an anti that's the official line, the unofficial line is that the hot-headed ex-troop was implicated in some Lowtax-style domestic violence poo poo. when this came out on twitter a couple of months back Lee came out swinging with one hell of a non-denial. this explains some of the weird talking around 'how dare he, of all people, force this vote on something we've refused to vote on several years running' at the time
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Mar 23, 2022 18:04
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by forcing the state congress to vote on a bill for medicare for all, or maybe it was a minimum wage bill, either way, it was a wildly popular "left" thing that he forced a vote on, before other bills that had been stalled in the state house for years.
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Mar 23, 2022 20:04
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Class3KillStorm posted:Madeline Albright has died. rip in piss, to someone who got her chance to reshape the world in her image, and produced unspeakable horrors across the planet
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Mar 23, 2022 20:26
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Sanguinia posted:Truly there is nothing more heroic than destroying your own policy initiative while stabbing all your allies in the back for a publicity stunt. The Libs were quite Owned that day. was he the guy who voted it down, or was that some other people multiple years running
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Mar 23, 2022 21:26
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Archonex posted:Seeing the way folks in this forum turned on him for calling his colleagues out on their two faced bullshit was an eye opener, that's for sure. yeah, my suspicion on that is that the "how dare he try to get us to vote on right to work" thing was a mutually-convenient way for everyone involved to go out claiming to be guns blazing for their ideological commitments, as opposed to an actual reason of "can we please get rid of this guy before the domestic violence story blows up into something bigger, we've already got enough of that between Governor Great-Yearbooks and Lieutenant Governor Look Women Make This Stuff Up All The Time." because on the face of it, none of the collected hooting and hollering about Carter's ~indecorum~ makes a loving lick of sense. this is the state party that circled the wagons around a guy who publicly said he didn't remember if he was the guy in blackface or the guy in the KKK getup, jumping the line for a vote was ABSOLUTELY not the thing that made Carter persona non grata
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Mar 23, 2022 22:32
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Harold Fjord posted:What is this Carter did domestic violence talk about? Everything I can find is about him talking about being abused and predates all of that RTW stuff. hit public back in December. Lee's aggressive non-denial did not aid his cause. https://mobile.twitter.com/SeanRMoorhead/status/1475306821078294534
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Mar 24, 2022 00:19
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some plague rats posted:... some completely anonymous messages, sharing second-hand at best gossip, posted by someone who very publicly hates him? Can we at have some standards when sharing accusations like this? I err on the side of believing women in these things, and it does a lot to explain why most of Lee's one-time allies went from zero to 'this guy is loving radioactive' well in advance of the party humiliating itself in the right to work debacle as numerous stories over the past few years can attest, the bar for being considered radioactive by the Virginia democratic party is REAL fuckin high, and this story is one of the few I can understand clearing it
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Mar 24, 2022 01:59
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How are u posted:What do you mean by "flip the board over"? You mentioned viewing the world through a Marxist framework a few posts earlier, so do you mean a Marxist revolution that institutes full Communism? let's start with 'stop putting kids in cages in the hope it will make suburban Republicans vote for us' and see where the night takes us
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Mar 24, 2022 02:01
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yeah, the Ukranian diaspora in Canada has a ~nuanced~ approach to genocide in Ukraine, historically. people do not put up statuary honoring Ukranian volunteers for the Waffen-SS for shits and giggles. the story begins with least one post-war Canadian government official saying "if we could import a bunch of former nazis that would make breaking up labor organization a lot easier," and there have been some WEIRD aftereffects. most recent of which being the Canadian Minister of Finance showing up to a pro-ukraine rally and holding a fascist battle flag, in a photo that was hastily taken down and replaced with one where the offending flag was shuffled into the background. (understandably there's plenty of the Ukranian diaspora who want nothing to do with these people, but, as is so often the case, the people whose opinions are convenient for the far right get a lot more media/financial/political support from above than the other ones)
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Mar 24, 2022 19:08
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Fritz the Horse posted:The Ukrainian-Canadian population is not a monolith. A couple of the (Canadian) CSPAM mods have mentioned that Ukrainian immigrants played important roles in the labor movement in Canada and a chunk are/were pretty left-wing. There is of course a large Ukrainian nationalist segment which has ties to the Ukrainian far-right and Banderite elements. It's important however not to generalize support of SS Galizien monuments and Azov battalion to the entire Canadian diaspora. yup. it's a lot of why there was that weird effort by the Canadian government to import ones like the aforementioned Minister of Finance's grandfather, who was the proud editor of a Nazi propaganda newspaper, because before that effort Ukranians were viewed as a dangerously left-wing bloc in Canadian labor politics
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Mar 24, 2022 19:18
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How are u posted:I think the US government cares about some genocides, and cares about some genocides more than others. We clearly care about the genocide Putin is trying to enact in Ukraine. We care enough about the genocide the CCP is enacting in Xinjiang enough to make some noise about it, but not enough to do more than that at the moment. We don't care enough about a genocide we have already enacted ourselves, the genocide of the Native Indigenous peoples of North America at our hands, to spend the required resources to ameliorate the legacy of such (although that has started to change a little bit under Biden's ARPA and IIJA!). putin is trying to enact a genocide in ukraine? first I've heard of it, but it's possible I missed something. wouldn't put it past him by a long shot, but to my knowledge only one of America and Russia is currently actively engaged in a program of ethnic cleansing at its borders
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Mar 24, 2022 20:41
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CommieGIR posted:When Putin says "Denazification" he doesn't mean Azov. ...you say this, and then when you click through to the Facebook (?) link, the actual crime russian soldiers stand accused of is removing schoolbooks about Great Hero Bandera, which makes me raise an eyebrow. the Russian invasion is a tremendous number of extremely terrible things. Saddam was not throwing Kuwaiti children out of incubators, Fallujah was not an entire city willing to fight Americans to the death, and as yet, it does not look like our geopolitical rival's goal is genocide. traditionally the American people really enjoy gassing themselves up by saying so though
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Mar 24, 2022 20:58
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GreyjoyBastard posted:In addition to the start of overt action we've been seeing, Putin's been troublingly vocal (most notably in The Rant that had some people on the fence about Russian invasion go "well balls guess it's happening") about buying into a pretty unpleasant far right narrative on Ukraine. no argument here, I'm just having a hard time putting it higher on the ol' genocideometer than 'these vermin are a plague risk and as such must be purged from our borders, by men on horseback with whips if necessary,' which I have been assured rather than genocide is just a Pragmatic Compromise To Get Things Done.
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Mar 24, 2022 21:09
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it raises a question that I genuinely don't know the answer to: is it, in fact, an attack on Ukranian identity to say Bandera was not a hero, but a monster? there's a pat way to say yes, because it is a fact, he was one of the most prominent fighters for ukranian independence, and a pat way to say no, because his proud alliance with the Nazis is also a fact. is there a way to say he is not a figure to venerate that does not constitute erasing Ukranian culture? thorny rear end question with a lot of unpleasant possible answers.
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Mar 24, 2022 21:27
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:No, but saying that Ukrainian identity is fake and you are taking back your land from "Ukraine" and killing those who believe in the false consciousness definitely is. sorry for the continuation, I'll gladly let it go after this, but this is one of those things that ABSOLUTELY needs clarification for fear of misinterpretation That's a no to the first question I asked, and not the second, right
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Mar 24, 2022 21:34
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Mellow Seas posted:It doesn't, but my quibble is not with the idea that much of our current government (particularly the Senate and Supreme Court, which are linked problems) is illegitimate, just that said illegitimacy is not, in my view, anywhere near a point where "throwing it out" is a sensible way to deal with it. I think we are much more likely address things with peaceful activism, elections and non-political cultural shifts (by which I mean changing attitudes - it wasn't government action that made people realize weed was safer than alcohol, or that gay people are normal people who deserve full rights; the government has begun to act on those issues because public opinion has changed, due to the work of artists and activists.) the last thing the democrats "addressed" in this fashion was 'how do we stop all these pesky unwanted ethnicities from trying to immigrate over the southern border,' and their solution was 'publicize the fact we're throwing their kids into dog cages in the hopes that'll scare anyone else out of making the trip.' one of the architects of that program is currently president of the united states, and has, after an election where the monstrous behavior of the previous administration in brutalizing these people was a major PR point, updated the program's rationale to "such people are not permitted in this country on the grounds the American government believes they are carriers of disease, and fundamentally undeserving of treatment." its function has remained identical. pointing to their work in maintaining the status quo on the Supreme Court as evidence that no, really, things can be changed puts you in a REMARKABLY weak position.
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Mar 25, 2022 18:28
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BiggerBoat posted:Bumper sticker found! Biden/Harris 2024: "It's Not Like We Killed Anyone YOU Cared About"
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Mar 25, 2022 18:36
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Eric Cantonese posted:I guess the Ukrainian PR offensive is working and you throw a mix in of latent anti-Russian sentiment that is a holdover from the Cold War. there is absolutely some degree of wounded imperial pride on the table, yeah. lot of people looking for a chance to prove that no, really, that last one was a fluke, we still got this, we swear. in the immortal words of Madeline Albright, may she rest in piss, why do we pay for such a big military, if we're not going to use it?
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Mar 25, 2022 18:41
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Fart Amplifier posted:You're asking for a dictatorship. it is unfortunate to hear that America was a dictatorship for the entirety of Lincoln's presidency.
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Mar 25, 2022 18:59
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Fart Amplifier posted:The President invalidating SCOTUS and seizing complete power is actually a dictatorship, unlike Lincoln. the president invalidated SCOTUS, and did not abide by its rulings until such time as it was fixed. it seemed to work out pretty well
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Mar 25, 2022 19:20
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remember back when the wise moderate take on the democrats was 'surely they'll do something to protect voting rights with a trifecta, it's their asses if they don't, they don't have a death wish' and now, having witnessed the democratic party decide that no, they will not be doing anything to protect voting rights, staring down the barrel of Republicans about to sweep back into power, the argument has become that we can't delegitimize the tools of republican rule, because that would be dictatorship is there any ideology here at all, beyond the blind veneration of machine processes?
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Mar 25, 2022 19:31
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Fart Amplifier posted:You're not going to have any civil rights in red states if you can just ignore the courts. you're not going to have any voting rights in red states if you don't ignore the courts.
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Mar 25, 2022 19:32
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Fart Amplifier posted:This a completely ridiculous fantasy. how would you characterize 'no, really, NEXT time the dems have a trifecta they'll do something to preserve civil rights'
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Mar 25, 2022 19:59
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virtualboyCOLOR posted:The Democrats are purposely in-fighting to prevent sweeping reforms that they were elected to implement. The Democrats (and by logical extension, their supporters) are perfectly fine with the current march toward fascism as long as it doesn’t impact their bottom line. If they did care the Supreme Court would have been packed by now, voting rights was be enshrined in law, and women’s right would be on the chopping block. for further details, consult the Trump-Biden consensus on how to handle immigrants on the Mexican border, and the number of times the phrase 'congenitally diseased' features in the justification
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Mar 25, 2022 20:07
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Kalit posted:The point of my post was try to get you to do some self-reflection on what your opinion is. So I'll state it clearly: just because you think that the point (or outcome) of sanctions are always to change regimes, it does not make this a fact. true, sometimes, as in Afghanistan, the point is exclusively to inflict pain on millions of people for the crime of having made us feel bad
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Mar 25, 2022 21:26
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DeadlyMuffin posted:Not really. It's consistent with the stated purpose, statements about it, etc. The position of "governments impose sanctions in order to kill civilians, knowing that they're actually useless" is up there with thinking there's a pedophile ring run out of Comet pizza in DC. perfect metaphor. in that yes, there is a pedophile ring in DC, complete with the last secretary of labor getting a man who pimped underage women out to a who's who of the most powerful people in the anglosphere out of any consequences for his crimes by saying 'he belonged to intelligence' without anyone involved raising an eyebrow. but because it was clearly not based out of a pizza parlor's basement, some people are comfortable treating the horrifying evil of the larger story as something they can safely ignore going forward 
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Mar 26, 2022 23:20
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CommieGIR posted:Depends if you are judging it entirely on the made up reasons that Bush and Cheney lied about to justify it. Which, in case it wasn't obvious, it was not good. this appears to be strong evidence against assuming elected officials are stating their intentions in good faith, particularly when they are discussing why immiserating an entire nationality's worth of people is good actually.
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Mar 27, 2022 17:07
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:DHS/HHS plan to "review" the use of Title 42 at the border on March 30th and potentially end it sometime in April. it is interesting that nobody's bothered saying "we can't do anything about the border because Sinema" there's not even the pretense that the Biden administration wants to close down the child concentration camps. they're running at full inhumanity down there, and receiving... what, exactly, in exchange? there are times and places where you could at least imagine from a cold realpolitik angle that the price of accomplishing something was chucking a bunch of bodies in the meat grinder, but all this suffering is being inflicted in exchange for Republicans -still- calling Biden soft on immigration. there's absolutely no payoff. cruelty for the sake of cruelty alone.
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Mar 28, 2022 16:27
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Gumball Gumption posted:I just think it's really funny that some of the most comfortable people in the world are so miserable. d&d.txt (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Mar 28, 2022 16:32
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theCalamity posted:More funding to ICE? The corrupt agency that holds kids in cages, physically and sexually abuses them and their other detainees? Has there been any kind of talk about reform even tepid ones aside from just “more training” and giving them more money? well, they were able to expedite deportations by claiming that all immigrants constitute a disease risk under title 42. that's like a reform, right that's what people meant, when they said Biden would shut down the concentration camps, right
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Bishyaler posted:If Dems aren't willing to pass anything to protect voting rights or even do anything to improve the lives of the working class, why would you need to bother prosecuting a coup? You're going to lose congress to Republicans in less than a year, and you'll lose the presidency in 2 years. Do you really have confidence that people in power are still going to jail for this? And if they do, what's to stop Trump/DeSantis from pardoning them in 2025? pause to appreciate that the defense of the Biden budget here isn't that the budget is good actually, or that a few million dollars will turn January 6 into a real wedge issue- there's no way to make that work even by implication. the defense is that someone expecting the Democratic party to help them -must- be doing so due to an inborn hatred of the democratic party. what was the outside corruption, I wonder, who made the uppity peasants expect anything from their betters. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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