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Borscht posted:Or just 1? Title IX exists for a reason, maybe you disagree with it but it's there. It seems like everything else can be solved with reasonable testosterone level guidelines mastershakeman fucked around with this message at 02:26 on Apr 7, 2022 |
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PT6A posted:If we're concerned about muscle density and skeletal changes and whatever else male puberty is accused of causing which allows trans women to perform better than cis women in certain disciplines, should there be tests of those specific genetic variations in cis women in order to maintain fairness? If a cis woman is too tall, or their feet are too big or their hands are too big, or whatever else, do we judge that they are physiologically "insufficiently feminine" to compete fairly against women? I don't know as much about ice skating but my understanding is the silver medalist Russian who threw a tantrum was largely correct about having the better performance and got judged against for not meeting the standards of feminine excellence with respect to unquantifiable dancing and grace and whatnot
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Jaxyon posted:Figure skating is a good discussion point. Probably for the same reason boys don't want to wrestle girls. Weight classes pretty much solve the issue of fairness, and there's some very talented female wrestlers. But its a terrible time for the boy going up against them - win, and you've merely 'beaten a girl', lose and hoo boy are you gonna hear it from your teammates. When I was in that sport in high school there was an excellent female wrestler in the county that absolutely everyone avoided until they had to face her at state meets.
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PT6A posted:I think it's important to call that out for what it is, though: unabashed sexism. Like I said in an earlier post, I was born with a disability. Not enough of one that, as far as I know, I could compete in para events, but enough that I was always pretty solidly worse than most people at physical things including sports. Like, what, beating me would be more honorable than losing to a highly skilled, fit woman? In what world? It's just sexist bullshit. Yes, it is. The disability thing actually came up in wrestling too - one of our teams lightweight wrestlers (I think 118 but can't remember) has a genetic issue where his leg didn't work right and he always walked with a severe limp. He had to kind of hop when trying to circle, and every opponent would go for his strong leg and take him down. But he had good upper body strength and his senior year he was able to pin an opponent. Our whole team went wild and rushed the mat to congratulate him The guy who lost was completely humiliated Same thing happened in football where an opposing team had a one armed receiver. He scored a TD (he was super fast and got open) and the defender got absolutely berated for getting beat by a one armed guy The moral of these anecdotes is that teenagers are jerks
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