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Watched up to the end of episode 4 today. Initially dismissed it as another mid-isekai at the start of the season, but now totally get why people are saying slept on in the other threads; this is is making up for how trash S2 of Shield Hero has been so far. Thanks goons.
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EP7 is out I know I ragged on the princess plot for the first part but it still seems a little mean to drop her in a hole Hope we see more of the pandemonium stuff
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May 13, 2022 22:39
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That's not what she meant, Momo!
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May 13, 2022 22:52
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lmfao
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May 14, 2022 04:27
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That ending bit  Also the inside of Pandemonium, literally some kind of kraken plus some other ~mystery~ entity that wasn't there in a previous timeloop!marumaru posted:That's not what she meant, Momo! Which interaction exactly?
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May 14, 2022 05:42
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I have to wonder why Akari mind blanks herself each loop. How will she alter the timeline if she just makes the same choices each time?
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May 15, 2022 07:54
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Kung Food posted:I have to wonder why Akari mind blanks herself each loop. How will she alter the timeline if she just makes the same choices each time? I don't think she cares much about altering the timeline, she just wants to travel around with Menou more.
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May 15, 2022 08:05
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Kung Food posted:I have to wonder why Akari mind blanks herself each loop. How will she alter the timeline if she just makes the same choices each time? I think she's intentionally trying to NOT alter the timeline, because she doesn't want to gently caress things up so that future Menou doesn't fall for her. She wants this to go roughly as planned except presumably with a different outcome in the final showdown with Flare. Alternately she values her time with Menou so much she's effectively infinitely looping their time together even though she knows it is doomed
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May 15, 2022 08:07
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Kung Food posted:I have to wonder why Akari mind blanks herself each loop. How will she alter the timeline if she just makes the same choices each time? The novels explain it a little bit more clearly. She erases her memories to help her keep up the facade of a clueless new arrival, so that the entire church doesn't realize how much of a threat she really is and immediately come down on her head. If she's in immediate danger or separated from Menou, she can get her memories back.
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May 16, 2022 05:10
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Kung Food posted:I have to wonder why Akari mind blanks herself each loop. How will she alter the timeline if she just makes the same choices each time? my read on it is that she wants her and menou's romance to be natural, and not feel like she's deceiving menou into liking her by being from the future. itd be a pretty good spin on the sort of standard timeloop romance plot beat otherwise this shows whips. i was kinda cold on momo but her and ashuna have the best dynamic, glad shes also found an unkillable wife
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May 16, 2022 05:52
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Also splitting herself like that might be a hack to deal with whatever the Concepts do to people who use them too much--assuming that's even real.
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May 19, 2022 02:44
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If I had one criticism with the shows otherwise pretty good world building so far: It seems overwhelmingly the case that Otherworlder's are pretty much hunted down and killed on sight as soon as they appear and their Pure Concept determined for threat level; it seems to me that there's no exceptions and it happens fairly frequently. We know that Otherworlder's appearing radically changed this world's cultures/technology/and economies to the point that the existence of Otherworlders should be well known; especially given that the Four Human Errors are basically disasters on par with Noah's Flood, the Eruption of Mount Vesuvius, the Chicago Pancake Explosion, etc etc. I kinda feel like how people see Otherworlder's and internalize that knowledge should probably be given a bit more attention; or rather it would've been nice if they did so. The average person, especially Nobles probably should know the fate that awaits any Otherworlder; the King(?)/Nobles in that starting town definitely knew and deliberately tossed out that one kid as bait; and as such I feel like it should be more of a thing how people react seeing Akari. People with a guilty conscience should seem a little more sorrowful, others who have reason to hate or fear Otherworlders should be reacting a little more strongly whenever they see Akari and realize she's an Otherworlder. Currently we only really kinda see this from Church members; currently it just sorta feels like an extraordinarily well kept secret even from everyday people when that isn't really plausible even if the justify is "Oh common people just think the Church brings Otherworlder's to a farm upstate!  " Granted Akari is disguised and not wearing her school uniform which would've more likely identified her, I just think somehow by some means we probably should be seeing a little more attention, even if its mainly in the background. One thing we're missing is a group of resistance people acting on behalf of Otherworlders and trying to smuggle them away from the Church even if its dangerous, which is a role the Fourth movement seems to me like it could easily slide in on but nothing so far. The other fictional parallel for this would probably be like in the X-Men comics with the stories where you have society rounding up mutants/Inhumans. People know what's happening and the way they act/react when they encounter someone whose being targeted is usually a pretty pertinent staple of those kinds of stories. By no means a deal breaker or anything but it seems like an oversight that just gets more weirdly noticable each episode where its unremarked. Just leaves a weird nagging feeling to me.
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May 21, 2022 01:49
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agreed. i've been noticing that too - no one bats an eye at her ever
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May 21, 2022 02:29
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Raenir Salazar posted:If I had one criticism with the shows otherwise pretty good world building so far: I did sort of get the impression that the church was meant to be written as "ruthless but logical and efficient" but comes off more as the kind of organization that likes to think of itself as ruthless but logical and efficient but actually does a lot of dumb counterproductive poo poo. The idea of the church running a bunch of Potemkin villages full of executioner school dropouts pretending to be happy Otherworlders is pretty funny, though.
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May 21, 2022 05:21
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I got the impression that the Church like any organization has its own turf wars and politics just like any other organization and has an ongoing bitter rivalry with the Nobles who keep trying to supplant them as the top power structure. Handling Otherworlder's is just how they justify needing to be on top. All of which is fine.
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May 21, 2022 05:38
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I think the church and nobles are written the way the story wants them to be - seemingly powerful but also incompetent in many ways...just like they are in the real world
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May 21, 2022 06:47
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My guess is that otherworlders have been demonized to the point where people don’t recognise Akari as one. The popular opinion of them is that they're semi-mythical bogymen who hardly ever show up anymore, and when they do they just run around acting crazy and/or evil, so nobody has reason to suspect someone like her.
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May 21, 2022 11:53
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Even if that wasn't the case no one has any real reason to recognise her as one, other than people explicitly told.
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May 21, 2022 13:59
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Yeah; she wears a school uniform, but Japanese high schoolers have massively influenced every aspect of the world's culture and I doubt fashion is exempt
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May 21, 2022 18:39
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Elephant Parade posted:Yeah; she wears a school uniform, but Japanese high schoolers have massively influenced every aspect of the world's culture and I doubt fashion is exempt  she wears casual travel clothes native to that world. She changed out of her Japanese school uniform episode 1 when she began travelling with Mennou.I did in my post also point out that while this explains people not immediately realizing Akari specifically is an Otherworlder and reacting to that; the broader point is that the rounding up and elimination of Otherworlders doesn't otherwise seem to be A Thing(tm) insofar as people should be aware of it. No speaking in hushed tones about So-and-so-Takeshi-San being taken away last week, no aside glances or quick exits out of conversations the second otherworlder's come up; the show never directs our attention to what living in a world where you're regularly visited by normal rear end kids who get taken away and murdered by the state on a regular basis. Logically speaking there should also be people who would be inclined to lend a hand and hide them, and obviously this would be something that would be vigorously policed, and so on, but this isn't explored. Again it's a relatively small thing but it does with each episode the further this remains unexplored makes the world building feel incomplete and very focused on the specific story being told, which is fine, but also a little disappointing as I continue to notice it. Maybe it's actually really rare for otherworlder's to appear, and maybe they only appear in that one town, but it'd be more interesting if they were regular enough of an occurrence for their to be a societal consequence for there to be a permanent secret police in the form of the church to police them and their sympathizers.
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May 21, 2022 19:31
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the show opened straight up with akari getting imprisoned by her summoners with the only reason the guy got thrown out onto the streets being because they wanted to use him as a decoy, the implication straight off of episode 1 is that when they do summon people in they don't often let them out into the world to be seen
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May 21, 2022 19:59
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The Colonel posted:the show opened straight up with akari getting imprisoned by her summoners with the only reason the guy got thrown out onto the streets being because they wanted to use him as a decoy, the implication straight off of episode 1 is that when they do summon people in they don't often let them out into the world to be seen I think this was supposed to have been an exceptional situation; it was specifically pointed out that only the Church usually has that knowledge, and in that case specifically gave that knowledge to specific Nobles; and as far as we know, the Church themselves don't typically use it; instead Otherworlders get summoned at random is still I think what we're supposed to assume; with deliberate summonings being the exception and not the norm because it seems to be very illegal in this setting, i.e the King as soon as it was "publicly" discovered, was arrested immediately. So I don't think there's a "don't often let them out to be seen" situation. I don't think that's the takeaway. What we know or at least what seems to be heavily implied is that Otherworlders are supposed to be rounded up as soon as the Church discovers one; their Pure Concept determined in order to determine the safest means of disposal and then they commence disposal; and that they appear basically at random but often enough that there's a whole sub-organization of agents dedicated to finding and eliminating them.
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May 21, 2022 20:45
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I really think its as simple as they're rare, and look exactly like everyone else, so nobody even thinks to keep an eye out unless someone starts using pure concept powers. you're overthinking this
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May 21, 2022 22:11
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Pure speculation but between the scenes from last week's episode and the not so subtle Momo infodump in this one, I would bet on some kind of connection between the weirdo girl Manon threw in the iron maiden and Pandemonium. The fact that Pandemonium was a young girl that brought monsters into the world and this strange girl is literally being drained for material that turns people into monsters is too obvious a link not to be a coincidence. I know it was also mentioned that sin magecraft could just generally be made with soul/spirit/body as well so it's not a requirement but come on. If she hadn't acted so strange last episode before getting spiked, I probably wouldn't have thought twice about it though.
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May 21, 2022 22:13
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well there's also the one shot in the op of them both together.
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May 21, 2022 22:56
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Varinn posted:I really think its as simple as they're rare, and look exactly like everyone else, so nobody even thinks to keep an eye out unless someone starts using pure concept powers. you're overthinking this I don't think it really makes sense for them to be that rare though. As I said though it's a small criticism.
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May 21, 2022 23:15
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So who loved the reused animations of episode 8? It was like watching a fever dream, but a good one. Momo+Ashuna, Momo+Menou, and Menou+Akari interactions were so entertaining that it added to the atmosphere, IMO.
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May 24, 2022 20:22
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I'd rather clever usage of existing footage than the production melting. Show seems pretty clever in how it's using its resources and reusing the footage and making it part of a punchline for a visual gag is a pretty good one
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May 24, 2022 21:42
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I liked the part where someone drew the chairs way too loving big and the character artists/animators tried their best to deal with it.
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May 24, 2022 21:51
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I didn't even notice any reused footage.  Maximum Tomfoolery posted:I liked the part where someone drew the chairs way too loving big and the character artists/animators tried their best to deal with it. That is pretty funny. Although I could see some sort of weird in-world justification being constant minor suffering and inconvenience brings you closer to god hence the uncomfortable chairs.
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Maximum Tomfoolery posted:I liked the part where someone drew the chairs way too loving big and the character artists/animators tried their best to deal with it. Some chairs are like that.
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May 24, 2022 21:51
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Seems like the exact kind of furniture that’d be in a lobby somewhere to me. They can never just give you normal loving chairs...
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May 24, 2022 22:15
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Maximum Tomfoolery posted:I liked the part where someone drew the chairs way too loving big and the character artists/animators tried their best to deal with it. I believe that is called a loveseat. Though that obviously cannot be the case since Momo would be trying to get into the seat with Menou.
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May 24, 2022 22:55
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those couches definitely look like they could fit three momos
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May 25, 2022 00:15
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reusing the shots like that was a great budget saving thing that also doubled as funny as hell. ashunas smugly sliding into view while momo angrily demolished nuts got me every time
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The plot thickens. Today's information was probably there before, but we get confirmation that Monon's mother was Japanese and lived long enough to give birth presumably to Manon before being killed by Flare. More attention is given to the "timeline" being different this time; its a little ambiguous but I get the sense that even if mainly due to her meddling, Akari's looping does have small changes but presumably leads to the same end, Menou dying at the continent of white for some reason, but for some reason this timeline beginning with their visit to Libelle is diverging significantly, and seems to involve whatever is inside Pandemonium? Ashuna being like, "hehe time to use this to tease Momo" was gold.  Some wild mass guessing on my part, but what if Menou's time travel ability works a little differently then we imagine? Like for the "big" loops she resets far more? Surprised that Pastor Sicily turned out to be NOT evil after her "Why didn't you suspect me?" line but I guess I'm just well trained to expect that line to usually result in a certain revelation!
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I was a little iffy on the episode before this but I'm back on board with this show, things are definitely getting interesting and I like that we're getting to see competent future version Akari . I wonder if there's any explanation for why the little girl wasn't killed by the iron maiden? They were making a point of how normally with Sin Magecraft there would be a pile of bodies and missing person reports, maybe the little girl regenerates or something?
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Talorat posted:I was a little iffy on the episode before this but I'm back on board with this show, things are definitely getting interesting and I like that we're getting to see competent future version Akari . """competent"""   As for the rest of your speculation: I coulda swore I saw her regenerating/wounds closing up before the explosion! Or maybe I imagined that was the angle they were going for so hard that I just imagined it? Not sure. But one explanation if that isn't the case is maybe the spikes didn't like go all the way through, but instead IIRC like the "historical" iron maidens is just meant to make relatively shallow wounds so you die excruciatingly slowly? It wouldn't make a good torture device if it killed you immediately? My assumption is Manon figured this was actually more efficient as a method compared to other methods, or she actually does goes through a lot of people? IIRC she only started up Monstrine production fairly recently like 2 weeks ago?
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Ashuna is just there as a recurring annoyance and to flirt with Menou and I am fully on board with that.
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