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Wild speculation time. Manon's mom was the cause of pandemonium. The light inside seemed like it was some sort of signal, maybe a sign to her daughter?
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i'm not sure how much there is to speculate about the little girl who is shown in the op ripping her own head off
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Good episode with some nice action and just a friendly little girl that's one of the big human errors using B films to terrorize the world
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SatoshiMiwa posted:Good episode with some nice action and just a friendly little girl that's one of the big human errors using B films to terrorize the world her introduction was pretty great. scarier than i'd expected from the edgy little girl trope!
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Saying that My own death counts as the human sacrifice necessary to cast resurrection is exactly the kind of stunt that my D&D group would try and pull.
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galagazombie posted:Saying that My own death counts as the human sacrifice necessary to cast resurrection is exactly the kind of stunt that my D&D group would try and pull. She's basically Red Mage's ingenuity mixed with Black Mages morals and propensity for black comedy from 8-bit theatre 
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Interesting to see how the anime will wrap up. While I can certainly imagine finishing this arc in a couple episodes, I'm not sure what kind of ending for the characters and overall story we might get. Hoping for a second season but I guess that's probably somewhat unlikely.
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caught up on the last 4 episodes finally. the 'momo angrily eats nuts for 5 minutes' sequence is so good. great moments in long take static shots featuring a glass and a tray in anime history  
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i really appreciate how this anime is somehow able to have a scene where menou stabs a freakish body horror child literally born from a tragic victim of their hosed up world, and another scene where menou stabs akari in the mouth with a watermelon
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I like how Pandaemonium straight up conveys the feeling that it's like some sort of terrifying Fey or Eldritch god. Something that resembles something human but isn't; full of hate and spite for all of creation, unkillable, and similar to lovecraftian deities like Shub-Niggurath spews forth infinite numbers of horrible monsters and twisted abominations; whose very blood gives accursed powers. Furthering my thoughts from the mural we saw earlier in the season. Very Bloodbornesque, especially in the way she's a product of the world being a bit hosed up.
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Insurrectionist posted:Interesting to see how the anime will wrap up. While I can certainly imagine finishing this arc in a couple episodes, I'm not sure what kind of ending for the characters and overall story we might get. Hoping for a second season but I guess that's probably somewhat unlikely. The anime is doing the first 2 Light Novels and we're up to 7 in Japan. I think it's doing okay so hopefully it can escape the 1 cour yuri curse especially since Volume 3 and 4 are even wilder
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i really, really hope it gets a 2nd season and fast - this might just be my favorite new anime of the season
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Yeah this has been a pretty cool show with a novel spin on the genre. I really want to see where it goes from here.
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Pandemonium is great and also show sure did drop some big lore stuff with Menou having a hint of Ivory being a pretty big hint Want a season 2 please and thanks Edit: also Pandemonium feels like it should be a break out role for Anzu Haruno. She's just nailed the part and made it her.own and should get a major part cause of its SatoshiMiwa fucked around with this message at 04:47 on Jun 11, 2022 |
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SatoshiMiwa posted:Pandemonium is great and also show sure did drop some big lore stuff with Menou having a hint of Ivory being a pretty big hint  And Pandaemonium is only currently just like a sliver of her full power, like a lovecraftian Great Old One she's actually even locked away behind the fog, and presumably the other three Human Errors are in the same boat; enormously powerful entities sealed away presumably by whom this "Ivory" hero person is, and whose heroism is apparently Archer levels of tragic and in particular seems to motive the Human Errors into wanting to destroy the world. Also increasingly likely is that the Pure Concepts legitimately do erode the soul/eat memories and eventually transforms the user into a monster; and isn't something that's made up but perhaps the why of it might still be revelatory, especially regarding the Astral Archive that was brought up this episode; some sort of extra-dimensional space outside of time? My guess is another Japanese person with a Pure Concept of "Energy" or "Magic" got zapped there and became the source of all of the weird powers/magic etc and is the "Lord" worshipped by everyone. big Blind Idiot God Azahoth energy Went back to episode 4 to re-get the names of the Human Errors. Dragon - The Sword of Salt (Icon depicts the Salt Sword and Continent of Salt) Evil - The Pandaemonium (Icon depicts the Fog Wall) Vessel - The Material Room (The Sun shining brightly on a city) Star - The Starhusk (this one in particular strikes me as being especially  three celestial bodies over a field of grass)(Accidentily hit post before finishing  ) It kinda seems like the icon depicts the method and location of where a Human Error is sealed; but the names don't all make sense to me; is the Sword also the person who was the Pure Concept of "blanching"? The Material Room sounds more like where you'd keep someone; but could also be a room that just produces endless machines or something. Starhusk sounds more obviously lovecraftian; I really do hope we get a sequel, this is all rad.e: Same energy:  (It's actually something I've noticed is she likes to stand with her hands clasped behind her back and it's a really neat detail, she just exudes confidence) Raenir Salazar fucked around with this message at 08:48 on Jun 11, 2022 |
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Menou also welcomed to the gun show With all the new info from this episode, it's gonna be annoying when the show ends barely answering anything (I assume) but hopefully the finale is good and then second season arrives and also seasons 3 - 7
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Pandaemonium's appearance is the one that's kept closest to the original LN character artist's design, I think. The way nilitsu draws eyes is slightly off in a way that's rather fitting for a few of the characters, but her in particular. I'm following the thread but keeping my idiot mouth shut because I've read the novels and don't want to accidentally spoil anything that hasn't come up in the anime yet. Love to see other people's speculation, though.
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Raenir Salazar posted:(Accidentily hit post before finishing  So yeah pretty safe to assume sword, salt, and blanching all tie back to the White Pure Concept. They also seem to be strongly hinting at the Ivory Hero being the Pure Concept White, and there is more to their history than just going crazy and turning a continent to salt. Also since we see Flare wielding the salt sword, could she possibly be White/Ivory? Would explain the Menou's connection to Ivory that Pandemonium keeps mentioning.
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Good ending I eagerly await the adventures of Murder Movie kid and her zombie sister Read the light novels as vol 3 and 4 are wild!
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SatoshiMiwa posted:Good ending I eagerly await the adventures of Murder Movie kid and her zombie sister they translated to english?
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marumaru posted:they translated to english? Yeah, by Yen Press. Only up to vol 4 at the moment, though.
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When things turned green for a moment before purple:
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Pretty good final episode, although it's interesting they leave with 'Chaos has returned, again!' before we even get introduced to our next villain. Obviously I assume it will be a background thing for a while but Pandemonium doesn't strike me as especially subtle long-term. Would be cool if it got another season as it wasn't much of an ending really.
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Insurrectionist posted:Pretty good final episode, although it's interesting they leave with 'Chaos has returned, again!' before we even get introduced to our next villain. Obviously I assume it will be a background thing for a while but Pandemonium doesn't strike me as especially subtle long-term. I'm kinda curious as to how that is supposed to work; Isn't Pandaemonium supposed to be reclaimed by the Fog eventually? Or is it proportional to how much of her remains? I assume she split herself in half originally; one half revived Manon (which I assume her name is a play on "Mammon") and maybe she's able to stay out at 'half a pinky' while the other half kept splitting herself as she died/revived? Eventually becoming weak enough even with all the sacrifices for the fog to reclaim her?
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So this episode mostly confirms for me that White/Ivory/Flare are the same person. Pandemonium mentioned the salt sword was "Once wielded by Ivory" so white and ivory being the same is established. She says to Menou "I sense a bit of the Ivory one in you." This would make sense if Flare, her mentor, was Ivory. Flare is seen in the flash forward holding the salt sword, which is described as the sword of certain destruction, and it would seem odd that anyone could hold it other than its owner. The entire sword is made of salt and a whole error in itself. It would seem odd that even the hilt would be safe to a normie. And the final proof for me was the after credit scene where is is revealed that Flare can perceive the time loops. It has been established that the one way to overcome a pure concept is to be a stronger concept, so Flare seeing through the loops suggests she is a concept. She was there for the Blanching of a town and Menou's origin story. Was that caused by an incomplete white like she claims, or was that her taking out a dangerous lost one with Menou's memory and the town being collateral damage? Lastly the whole concept of blanching matches her complete lack of emotion when it comes to lost one murder. This episode seems to establish the more a concept is used, the more a personality is replaced by a concept's will. Other thoughts In the after credit scene Flare says "So not only Chaos, but a portion of the vessel has also escaped. This is the first time a fragment has emerged since the star husk hatched." We already know that the fog isn't the doing of Pandemonium, but Ivory imprisoning her. The vessel is also a cage that a small piece of dangerous lost one escaped from. And the star husk hatched? (Egg shells happen to be white). My thought is that the great human errors are not Lost ones going berserk and causing a permanent scar on the world, but White/Ivory/Flare doing what she can to imprison unkillable and dangerous lost ones. Here is the image of the errors:  With this in idea in mind, this image is actually showing the imprisoned Concept and their corresponding cage. Pandemonium cages Chaos, Material Room cages Vessel, Star Husk cages Star and the salt continent/sword cages Dragon. The image also shows a center piece with a giant white humanoid amongst an apocalyptic backdrop. More evidence to me that white/ivory was present during some cataclysmic event involving the four errors and she is a center piece to all of them. Even more thoughts: So it is pretty well established now that the lost ones don't only come from the same place (Japan), but also the same general time period. Pandemonium appeared in the timeline thousands of years before her mother. So there is not only a place aspect of the choosing of the lost ones, but a time one. Same general place and time, peppered thousands of years across the iseaki history. My mad theory is that there was a single time/place iseaki event in Japan, and all effected people appeared in the other world across thousands of years. Akari being the time concept makes me think maybe she is involved at a base level of all the iseakis in the world. Wild speculations: Menou has vague memories of Akari in Highschool. She might be a lost one with blanched memories/soul. We know concepts are attached to the soul, so if she was blanched it is reasonable she could lose her concept.
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It's definitely very clear that Flare is dragon/salt but I'm certain "white" is someone else, probably "star". One thing I don't get is apparently the salt sword can kill these guys even if they're unkillable so if Flare is Salt but also Ivory why did she bother imprisoning these guys and not just kill them? Because of that I'm not convinced that Flare is Ivory. At the moment I'm going to speculate and say Ivory is a fifth party he isn't any of the four known "human errors" but he is Menou's father and Flare is probably her mother, but also something happened between them and Flare ended up killing Ivory with her salt sword.
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One thing I wonder about is why the subs I was watching didn't localize Pandaemonium's "Maa maa" as like "Well well". And yeah I agree with the above that something doesn't really add up yet: We know that Pandaemonium has claimed that part of the reason why she wanted to destroy the world was the world's treatment of Ivory; i.e the Great Hero; so there's a big of confusion regarding cause and effect here. Did Ivory go crazy/get hurt which caused a ripple effect where the Four Errors went mad in turn? Did something happen to Ivory that made the Four Errors go mad which forced Ivory to imprison them out of duty? And yeah if the sword can destroy a concept, why didn't it? I have to assume that is because "Ivory didn't wish to do so" and if Flare is Ivory then there is likewise something missing about that link; an intermediate step so to speak. Raenir Salazar fucked around with this message at 19:08 on Jun 19, 2022 |
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I must have missed where she said they wanted to destroy the world over Ivory's mistreatment. I thought it was because doing so would open a way back to Japan. As for why Ivory didn't use the salt sword to kill the errors, I am assuming they have some way to get around it, like how time can just reset before being hit or how chaos can infinitely replicate.
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I think it happened the first time either Manon spoke with Akari or Panda spoke with Mennou or Panda with Akari, I'm not sure exactly but it was a few episodes ago. But yeah this episode had like the funniest moments of the series. "Whelp, gotta go, have fun explaining this one to Akari other me! *bang*"  
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I found it refreshingly funny that Akari’s future self is introduced in this big “oh no!” moment as this sinister puppet master and then turns out to just literally be Akari, complete with being an enormous doofus.
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The show was good but I'm sad it didn't wrap everything up. Everything about the show makes me uneasy and gives me a pit in my stomach so I kind of just wanted it all to resolve and have a real end.
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drat I sure wish At the Mountains of Madness would have a happy ending!
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Raenir Salazar posted:drat I sure wish At the Mountains of Madness would have a happy ending! Stories like this always have a cathartic ending. Closest examples off the top of my head are House of Cards and Shawshank Redemption. Different people just have different tolerances for how much emotional damage they can take before they get thrown a bone. That's why the season ended with the whole "I wish I didn't have to kill her. Maybe... No I definitely have to kill her" thing. I guess in theory they could go full Romeo and Juliette with a gut punch ending, but I don't think so. I did not make it through either House of Cards or Shawshank Redemption before rage quitting KillHour fucked around with this message at 19:20 on Jul 12, 2022 |
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its an ongoing light novel series so there was no ending to adapt
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studio mujahideen posted:its an ongoing light novel series so there was no ending to adapt Yeah, I know. Like I said, I just don't have the patience for something that strings the audience along that much. It's not a fault of the show, just my own preferences. They could also just make up an ending if they know they aren't getting another season. Has any anime ever done that? I know it's "not what is done" or whatever, but with seemingly every show having a perpetual cliffhanger that never gets resolved, it would be a nice change of pace. Also I looked up the light novel spoilers and good lord do they drag this whole thing out KillHour fucked around with this message at 19:26 on Jul 12, 2022 |
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I feel like that’s every light novel, authors seem to be allergic to having endings.
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golden goose and all that
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Talorat posted:I feel like that’s every light novel, authors seem to be allergic to having endings. The stories having an ending means the royalty checks do too 
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We're the anime thread I know you tagged the spoilers but any chance can you not have something someone could accidentally click on? I don't think any studio these days knows for sure if there's going to be chance at a sequel. I am frankly much happier now that most shows have decided to hedge their bets and more faithfully adapt the material in the hopes of a new season to continue the story, than to create a gecko ending that makes moving forward awkward in the case of a continuation. See Full Metal Alchemist: Brotherhood which basically had to ignore the previous ending, and build off of the aired material that was still canon. I think considering the large number of innocent people who have already been murdered the series isn't going to end that happily, those deaths probably aren't going to be reversed, the dead to quote Deep Space 9, will still be dead. Will Akari's and Mennou's story conclude happily? I don't think we'll know for sure until it happens, I know tv shows like Lost and to a lesser extent Game of Thrones have maybe given cause for audiences to not really trust the writers that they know how things are going to end in a satisfying cathartic conclusion, and anime/manga/ln's have this problem too but I think we can at least have faith that it will end good even if the characters we're rooting for might not have a good ending.
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Raenir Salazar posted:We're the anime thread I know you tagged the spoilers but any chance can you not have something someone could accidentally click on? I specifically said it is for the LN and it's not even a real spoiler. Raenir Salazar posted:I think considering the large number of innocent people who have already been murdered the series isn't going to end that happily, those deaths probably aren't going to be reversed, the dead to quote Deep Space 9, will still be dead. I don't think anybody is expecting that to happen. It would be a hell of an rear end pull. KillHour fucked around with this message at 19:47 on Jul 12, 2022 |
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