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I like how the pure concepts can extend to uses outside of obvious ones. The ability for the pure concept of white to bleach memories and personality is pretty clever. I bet the concept of null would have been pretty similar and dangerous. Also the show seems to be hinting that Menou is a secret lost one, since she has memories of Akari from middle school. Having her soul made white might also explain why she doesn't have a pure concept as that seems to be in the realm of the ability to blank it.
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I have to wonder why Akari mind blanks herself each loop. How will she alter the timeline if she just makes the same choices each time?
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May 15, 2022 07:54
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Wild speculation time. Manon's mom was the cause of pandemonium. The light inside seemed like it was some sort of signal, maybe a sign to her daughter?
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May 28, 2022 07:37
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Raenir Salazar posted:(Accidentily hit post before finishing  So yeah pretty safe to assume sword, salt, and blanching all tie back to the White Pure Concept. They also seem to be strongly hinting at the Ivory Hero being the Pure Concept White, and there is more to their history than just going crazy and turning a continent to salt. Also since we see Flare wielding the salt sword, could she possibly be White/Ivory? Would explain the Menou's connection to Ivory that Pandemonium keeps mentioning.
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) It kinda seems like the icon depicts the method and location of where a Human Error is sealed; but the names don't all make sense to me; is the Sword also the person who was the Pure Concept of "blanching"? The Material Room sounds more like where you'd keep someone; but could also be a room that just produces endless machines or something. Starhusk sounds more obviously lovecraftian; I really do hope we get a sequel, this is all
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So this episode mostly confirms for me that White/Ivory/Flare are the same person. Pandemonium mentioned the salt sword was "Once wielded by Ivory" so white and ivory being the same is established. She says to Menou "I sense a bit of the Ivory one in you." This would make sense if Flare, her mentor, was Ivory. Flare is seen in the flash forward holding the salt sword, which is described as the sword of certain destruction, and it would seem odd that anyone could hold it other than its owner. The entire sword is made of salt and a whole error in itself. It would seem odd that even the hilt would be safe to a normie. And the final proof for me was the after credit scene where is is revealed that Flare can perceive the time loops. It has been established that the one way to overcome a pure concept is to be a stronger concept, so Flare seeing through the loops suggests she is a concept. She was there for the Blanching of a town and Menou's origin story. Was that caused by an incomplete white like she claims, or was that her taking out a dangerous lost one with Menou's memory and the town being collateral damage? Lastly the whole concept of blanching matches her complete lack of emotion when it comes to lost one murder. This episode seems to establish the more a concept is used, the more a personality is replaced by a concept's will. Other thoughts In the after credit scene Flare says "So not only Chaos, but a portion of the vessel has also escaped. This is the first time a fragment has emerged since the star husk hatched." We already know that the fog isn't the doing of Pandemonium, but Ivory imprisoning her. The vessel is also a cage that a small piece of dangerous lost one escaped from. And the star husk hatched? (Egg shells happen to be white). My thought is that the great human errors are not Lost ones going berserk and causing a permanent scar on the world, but White/Ivory/Flare doing what she can to imprison unkillable and dangerous lost ones. Here is the image of the errors:  With this in idea in mind, this image is actually showing the imprisoned Concept and their corresponding cage. Pandemonium cages Chaos, Material Room cages Vessel, Star Husk cages Star and the salt continent/sword cages Dragon. The image also shows a center piece with a giant white humanoid amongst an apocalyptic backdrop. More evidence to me that white/ivory was present during some cataclysmic event involving the four errors and she is a center piece to all of them. Even more thoughts: So it is pretty well established now that the lost ones don't only come from the same place (Japan), but also the same general time period. Pandemonium appeared in the timeline thousands of years before her mother. So there is not only a place aspect of the choosing of the lost ones, but a time one. Same general place and time, peppered thousands of years across the iseaki history. My mad theory is that there was a single time/place iseaki event in Japan, and all effected people appeared in the other world across thousands of years. Akari being the time concept makes me think maybe she is involved at a base level of all the iseakis in the world. Wild speculations: Menou has vague memories of Akari in Highschool. She might be a lost one with blanched memories/soul. We know concepts are attached to the soul, so if she was blanched it is reasonable she could lose her concept.
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I must have missed where she said they wanted to destroy the world over Ivory's mistreatment. I thought it was because doing so would open a way back to Japan. As for why Ivory didn't use the salt sword to kill the errors, I am assuming they have some way to get around it, like how time can just reset before being hit or how chaos can infinitely replicate.
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