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the upvote/downvote thing on reddit should, in principle, remove the need for moderation. bullshit and spam should get immediately downvoted into oblivion. it should be a fully democratic enlightened posting experience. yet reddit is a cesspool
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Daniel Dales Dick posted:It's definitely something mods made up in order to ignore the queue. Effective moderation would fix 90% of "main character" bullshit, which is just people having disagreements. 
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Apr 29, 2022 04:56
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The Voice of Labor posted:the upvote/downvote thing on reddit should, in principle, remove the need for moderation. bullshit and spam should get immediately downvoted into oblivion. it should be a fully democratic enlightened posting experience. yet reddit is a cesspool upvotes/downvotes means the reproduction of ideological biases especially in a platform built by a privileged sector of liberal democracy in the heart of capitalism, my sibling in christ
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Apr 29, 2022 04:59
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Azathoth posted:It's a little known fact but we can't actually prevent permabanned posters from reregistering. They just need to use a different email and, most importantly, not post like they did when they got permabanned. why the hell are we constantly trying to 'free' everyone then
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Apr 29, 2022 05:01
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CODChimera posted:why the hell are we constantly trying to 'free' everyone then Yeah this is pretty bullshit when larry got hit for posting on an alt without breaking any rules
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Apr 29, 2022 05:03
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TheSlutPit posted:Yeah this is pretty bullshit when larry got hit for posting on an alt without breaking any rules its schrodingers rule. if u dont get detected u dont trip the rule. its that easy. how could the mods punish someone for evasion if they do not know they are evading...... ...... dun dun dun
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Apr 29, 2022 05:06
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Smythe posted:its schrodingers rule. if u dont get detected u dont trip the rule. its that easy. I can't remember specific instances but I vaguely recall some perma evaders had cleaned up their act but then got ratted out by posting enemies and the perma was enforced on the new account
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Apr 29, 2022 05:09
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the forums does not automatically check for reregs. an admin has to fish for it manually. so its not like some ppl are posting w/ a big flag on their account "evil rereg!!" and mods are letting them slip due to favoritism. they literally do not know. if someone is doing posting crimes or smells like a permad poster (extremely common) that u want gone kuz they're bad/annoying u ask to check. i wager most posters are aware of several evaders living among us, mods too, but if they've reformed? well, let sleeping dogs lie.
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Filthy Hans posted:I can't remember specific instances but I vaguely recall some perma evaders had cleaned up their act but then got ratted out by posting enemies and the perma was enforced on the new account probably happens on occasion. issue here is many perma'd ppl are notorious to some degree so if u let them live after being publicly outed you get a huge crew of their enemies (and/or sensible people who think they're bad for the forums) marching around for the forums chanting "HYPOCRISY!!" and such. and hell, theyre right
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no thoughts, only turmps!
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Apr 29, 2022 05:11
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alec rereg'd and he cleaned up his act. nobody even knows who it is!! what a master
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Filthy Hans posted:I can't remember specific instances but I vaguely recall some perma evaders had cleaned up their act but then got ratted out by posting enemies and the perma was enforced on the new account And honestly a lot of this depends on the severity of what got them perma'ed and how much time has passed. I had someone PM me a while back asking about a decade old perma, checked with the admins and they came back just fine. Permabanning someone can't permaban the person, the site isn't set up for that. As someone smarter than me said, what it does do is permaban the posting persona. That identity is burned. If someone can come back and be normal and fly under the radar, there's no problems. CODChimera posted:why the hell are we constantly trying to 'free' everyone then That's a very good question.
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Apr 29, 2022 05:17
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Smythe posted:probably happens on occasion. issue here is many perma'd ppl are notorious to some degree so if u let them live after being publicly outed you get a huge crew of their enemies (and/or sensible people who think they're bad for the forums) marching around for the forums chanting "HYPOCRISY!!" and such. This.
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Apr 29, 2022 05:18
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free larry
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Apr 29, 2022 05:19
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bring back voice validation like what people used to do for wwiv boards. also warez
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The Voice of Labor posted:bring back voice validation like what people used to do for wwiv boards. also warez gonna be real happy when the lightning storm over your lab moves off
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Apr 29, 2022 05:21
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I bought an nba jam dunk smiley, so please use it when appropriate
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Vim Fuego posted:I bought an nba jam dunk smiley, so please use it when appropriate cool
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Azathoth posted:gonna be real happy when the lightning storm over your lab moves off imagine getting a call at like 3am and it's smythe mispronouncing your name at you. if you look deep down in your heart, you know you want that. we all do
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Apr 29, 2022 05:30
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Smythe posted:probably happens on occasion. issue here is many perma'd ppl are notorious to some degree so if u let them live after being publicly outed you get a huge crew of their enemies (and/or sensible people who think they're bad for the forums) marching around for the forums chanting "HYPOCRISY!!" and such. This is the excuse of a bureaucrat but whatever you do you.
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The Voice of Labor posted:the upvote/downvote thing on reddit should, in principle, remove the need for moderation. bullshit and spam should get immediately downvoted into oblivion. it should be a fully democratic enlightened posting experience. yet reddit is a cesspool That's because democracy is stupid and bad, huh.
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Apr 29, 2022 05:48
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TheSlutPit posted:This is the excuse of a bureaucrat but whatever you do you. hmm, thats interesting and also true. will consider this
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ensource every syq. have astral do whatever at the forum so that it searches every post in every thread for the same text before posting, and if it's a quote, it pastes the relevant quote stuff around it before posting so it becomes a regular quoted post
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Apr 29, 2022 06:05
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im saint germain posted:ensource every syq. have astral do whatever at the forum so that it searches every post in every thread for the same text before posting, and if it's a quote, it pastes the relevant quote stuff around it before posting so it becomes a regular quoted post ill just post the word piss and anytime someoen posts only the word piss i get credit for it
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Apr 29, 2022 06:26
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Korean Boomhauer posted:ill just post the word piss and anytime someoen posts only the word piss i get credit for it it should be retroactive so it goes back to whoever was the first person to just post the word piss. credit where credit is due
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Azathoth posted:It is rare to see someone argue so effectively or forcefully for their own banning, but who am I to tell someone how to live? He also said Goatstein was a better poster than me. Honestly, he's the first person I've wanted to see fail in all of c-spam! I can see the appeal of everyone holding grudges against every person who's ever been rude or obnoxious to them.
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Vim Fuego posted:I bought an nba jam dunk smiley, so please use it when appropriate is it the shoes?!
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Azathoth posted:Yep, and that's why we've significantly expanded the mod and IK roster since then. Alec is/was undoxxable.
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CODChimera posted:why the hell are we constantly trying to 'free' everyone then comedy leftist forum syndrome 
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ArmZ posted:Alec is/was undoxxable. Alec doxxed himself cumshitter just did it drunkenly and with more of a threatening aura still the better of the two posters
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like whatever other issues you had with Alec, his level of personally identifying information just haphazardly included with his posting history is weirdly high. there was the dead sister paintings, all the vlogs in public places where he’s clearly with his family, the emails, the school vlog that’s just what I can remember off the top of my head
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im saint germain posted:ensource every syq. have astral do whatever at the forum so that it searches every post in every thread for the same text before posting, and if it's a quote, it pastes the relevant quote stuff around it before posting so it becomes a regular quoted post we are going to instate peer review for posting, to ensure post quality and proper sourcing as best we can
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Red Baron posted:like whatever other issues you had with Alec, his level of personally identifying information just haphazardly included with his posting history is weirdly high. vlog driving with a toddler in the car, getting banned form Chuck E. Cheese for ball pit misdemeanors, posting a vid of himself losing on Who Wants to be a Millionaire? because the crowd hosed him over on the hint
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Filthy Hans posted:vlog driving with a toddler in the car, getting banned form Chuck E. Cheese for ball pit misdemeanors, posting a vid of himself losing on Who Wants to be a Millionaire? because the crowd hosed him over on the hint the vlog where he was yelling about Cumshitter and me while waving a razor blade in a classroom
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Why are people itt defending cumshitter? Didn't he threaten to doxx someone to their employer? That seems like unhinged behavior, and lol at saying he goaded into doing it.
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Larry on the other hand got banned from the subforum for calling the mods "retards". You're a complete dunce if you equivocate the 2.
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Red Baron posted:like whatever other issues you had with Alec, his level of personally identifying information just haphazardly included with his posting history is weirdly high. be this as it may, even if it's information someone else haphazardly posted on the forum itself, any poster would be permabanned if they send that information to someone's employer (or threaten to send that information to their employer or anyone else in their real life), even if they do it while on drugs or because the person is a particularly bad poster. Real-life doxxing or threats of real-life doxxing is really not a hard line not to cross, and it is one of the few things that will lead to an instantaneous permaban pretty much no matter what the context is. vyelkin has issued a correction as of 15:17 on Apr 29, 2022 |
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TheSlutPit posted:This is the excuse of a bureaucrat but whatever you do you. I'll give a slightly different perspective than Smythe on this. First, it's important to acknowledge that there's effectively two kinds of permabans, single act and lifetime achievement. In single act, the person might otherwise be a fine poster but did something so beyond the pale that it was felt necessary to remove them from the community forever. This is stuff like pedo poo poo, doxxing, nazi poo poo, etc. In lifetime achievement, it's not that any single act that they did was so heinous it demands immediate removal but rather that they have a long term negative effect on the community that rises to such a level that they need to be removed AND talking, probes, bans, and community pressure have failed to make them a good enough poster to not warrant removal. The critical question with applying a ban to a rereg of a permabanned account is whether we think they're going to engage in the behavior that got them permabanned in the first place. With single act, the thinking is generally that if they did something once, they can do it again and no one wants to wait around for that to happen, so they're removed immediately. This is pretty intuitive, if someone is outed as enjoying pedo parasite dick rape mpreg porn, no one wants to wait around for that to work its way into their posting even if all they're doing is posting anodyne takes on the stock market. With lifetime achievement folks, it does get a little more complicated because with the passage of time, people can and do change enough that they might be able to be trusted to not repeat the same patterns of behavior that got them in trouble in the first place. This next part isn't official policy, and to be clear, I am just speaking for myself and how I would handle a hypothetical situation where this arose. If someone had a lifetime achievement perma and reregged and flew under the radar for a sufficiently long time that I didn't personally think they would repeat the bad behavior, I would take it to the admins and Jeffrey and see if they were willing to lift the perma. Every situation is going to be unique, so i'm not saying that the perma would necessarily be lifted mind you, but that would be how I would personally handle it.
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Azathoth posted:I'll give a slightly different perspective than Smythe on this. didnt read
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fart simpson posted:didnt read this
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