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Shiroc
May 16, 2009

Sorry I'm late
I think the next time people want to swarm to mock things like the witchcraft thread under the pretense of upholding Marxism they should actually have to read feminist Marxism https://files.libcom.org/files/Caliban%20and%20the%20Witch.pdf and see how historical witchcraft was women showing social solidarity and mutual support as a class and how that was intentionally destroyed in order to force women into a subject more amenable to capitalism.

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Shiroc
May 16, 2009

Sorry I'm late

some plague rats posted:

opening this pdf and it just reads Dumb Bitch Alert over and over???

Here you go since the book gives you a big sad:

Wikipedia Summary posted:

Federici's best known work, Caliban and the Witch: Women, the Body and Primitive Accumulation, expands on the work of Leopoldina Fortunati investigating the reasons for the witch hunts[8][9][10][11] of the early modern period, but giving a feminist interpretation. In it, she argues against Karl Marx's claim that primitive accumulation is a necessary precursor for capitalism. Instead, she posits that primitive accumulation is a fundamental characteristic of capitalism itself—that capitalism, in order to perpetuate itself, requires a constant infusion of expropriated capital.

Federici connects this expropriation to women's unpaid labour, both connected to reproduction and otherwise, which she frames as a historical precondition to the rise of a capitalist economy predicated upon wage labor. Related to this, she outlines the historical struggle for the commons and the struggle for communalism. Instead of seeing capitalism as a liberatory defeat of feudalism, Federici interprets the ascent of capitalism as a reactionary move to subvert the rising tide of communalism and to retain the basic social contract.

She situates the institutionalization of rape and prostitution, as well as the heretic and witch-hunt trials, burnings, and torture at the center of a methodical subjugation of women and appropriation of their labor. This is tied into colonial expropriation and provides a framework for understanding the work of the International Monetary Fund, World Bank, and other proxy institutions as engaging in a renewed cycle of primitive accumulation, by which everything held in common—from water, to seeds, to our genetic code—becomes privatized in what amounts to a new round of enclosures.

Shiroc
May 16, 2009

Sorry I'm late
The discussion in the book of witchcraft as practice is in terms of how it mixed medicine, psychology and social support. You have the material parts but in order to do 'magic' stuff like tarot or fortune telling and so forth, you actually need to be listening to the other person and caring about their emotional needs. So its less about actually believing that magic is real and more about having a framework to provide advice and support that people need. This in turn building bonds and solidarity together. Having the medical knowledge outside of the hands of 'experts' and people having communal bonds with each other is, of course, not something that capitalism can allow. The sincerity and vulnerability of social bonds around feelings that it represents is likewise offensive to the jaded shitposter.

Buck Wildman posted:

just admit you want to play tarot cards with people it's fine

yeah sometimes its nice to hang out with people

Shiroc
May 16, 2009

Sorry I'm late

some plague rats posted:

Wait, you're going to the doctor?? pfft, have fun being a tool of the international capitalist hegemon. I'm going consult the guy with greasy dreads who lives in a van by the river about realigning my chakras again, we must have done it wrong because now it burns when I pee

In this case, it isn't talking to the guy with dreads now, its doctors in the middle ages deciding that women don't know poo poo and throwing away all of that knowledge so they get to discover things all over again for the first time.

Also, the idea that the medical establishment isn't frequently hostile towards people is pretty ridiculous. There is a difference between critiques of the power dynamics and talking to the guy in a van down by the river.

Shiroc
May 16, 2009

Sorry I'm late

some plague rats posted:

I'm not sure why people who are obviously capable of recognizing a shitpost keep saying this like I'm somehow unaware of it

I’ll drop it but it’s easier to recognize something as a shitpost when it doesn’t match sincere things that people say all the time.

Shiroc
May 16, 2009

Sorry I'm late

PhysicsFrenzy posted:

i was just lurking this thread to lol at all the permabanned reregs, but this seems really neat, thank you for linking it :cheers:

It’s a really good book. It talks a lot about the Black Plague and how the interests of capital (and pre-capital) change around birth control and abortion depending on the perceived needs for more or less workers. It’s why I was thinking about it again last night.

Shiroc
May 16, 2009

Sorry I'm late
Following Marx's example where every salient point is followed by pages long footnotes bitching about his 1800s posting enemies.

Ostensible leftists should probably spend less time bullying people they perceive as weaker than them. That kind of bullying to compensate for your own feelings of powerlessness isn't loving praxis or solidarity building.

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Shiroc
May 16, 2009

Sorry I'm late
The one thing we know for sure is that scientific material enlightenment has never been used to justify racist and colonial violence.

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