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I'd probably have killed myself years ago if I didn't have two cats that depended on me. I guess I'm saying you should get a cat, preferably a rescue animal. It won't necessarily make you much happier but taking care of something/someone else forces you to take care of yourself, and it's definitely more meaningful than doomscrolling or whatever. Unless you have abusive/psychopathic tendencies. Don't get a pet then.
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Peggy Edson posted:durrrrr You’re a weird and rude poster OP
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go travelling take a month off work and get out of north america go to belize or thailand or something
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nom epique posted:You’re a weird and rude poster OP you're a dipshit that doesn't know when to take a hint
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nom epique posted:You’re a weird and rude poster OP good
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Gentlemen this is the depression thread, not the anger thread!
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There's no easy way to say this OP but it's time to put on your big boy pants and become a functional alcoholic like a proper adult.
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Meme Poker Party posted:On point imo. CBT isn't the only type of therapy. Good loving Christ I am sick of hearing this "CBT and meds don't work for everyone" dogshit because it shows a deep lack of understanding of what therapy is and does.
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Meme Poker Party posted:Gentlemen this is the depression thread, not the anger thread! Depression is just anger that hasn’t gotten out of bed yet
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Who What Now posted:CBT isn't the only type of therapy. Good loving Christ I am sick of hearing this "CBT and meds don't work for everyone" dogshit because it shows a deep lack of understanding of what therapy is and does. Sorry I know that. But I placed that knowledge in lower priority than making a joke about there being two kinds of CBT. I admit my crime.
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numberoneposter posted:go travelling https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctDjnG8J9cY
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Samuel L. Hacksaw posted:Precision, buddy, at the end of the day you have to do something. Not this day, when you're ready. You gotta go do a thing to make a friend. Go axe throwing alone, chat with folks in the next lane when they make a nice shot. Join a bowling/darts league. Whatever feels right man. i should have been more clear (well, i mean, this is all just stupid shitposting in lieu of getting actual help because i don't qualify for any kind of medical assistance because america) but, yeah that's why i feel like, i'm especially depressed this time. i really haven't ever said this before! any time i've been sad before, i now realize, was a pantomime. a put on. a costume of the sad indie rock boy and don't you just want to pet him???? but i now realize all that sadness, all those songs and poems and late nights talking about "what it really meeeeeeeeeans man", were a pantomime, of a sort of person i wanted to be. like that stupid (amazing) 500 days of summer movie says, we all learned the wrong lessons from sad british pop songs now that i have the real thing, i'm like.... gently caress... i have been trying to be social and like i said, this time i'm getting rejected! i don't know if it's where i am or if i'm a much less pleasant pperson than i used to be, but it's very different than i am used to i am actualy,, and i KNOW this sounds absurd given my posting track record but, in general in my life i have always been a bit of a "fun guy" who always has a billion friends and who everyone thinks is "the cool dude". not in the sense of being "cool" like hip, i mean "cool" like "unflappable". that was always me. the rogue type. wannabe han solo thurston moore lookin motherucker.
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i would like to also add that, i'm sorry if anyone finds this thread stupid or tedious, but, if i may make a suggestion, learn to laugh at how fuckin stupid i am
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I'm going to start drawing tiny homes and handing them out ITT as a depression cure
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Here's one high tech tiny forest cabin to escape your depression in 
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Just remember, you can’t spell depression without depre
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Legos will always be ur friend
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Bored posted:Not to be a downer, but, like, my eviction just went through and I’ve been trying to find a way to get a home and nothing Is working and the only reason I did not euthanize myself is because I do not think my all 4 of my cats are rehomable and I had no friends that I could trust to rehome them where I was living. You anger is worthy and warranted, and I am grateful you are expressing it even here on these dead gay forums. It is very difficult when our environment contributes mightily to our mental health and it all feels overwhelming. Crisis resources can get you from moments of complete despair and hopelessness to the next moment when there is some hope things can be better. I am going out on a limb here and going to say that things have been better for you before which means it is possible for them to be better again. I do not know your situation and do not pretend to understand your experience and the grief of your situation. I do know that it doesnt have to be the end, and that compassion for yourself and refusal to die can be an act of rebellion to a system and society that, at large, does not appreciate your strengths and value. precision posted:i should have been more clear (well, i mean, this is all just stupid shitposting in lieu of getting actual help because i don't qualify for any kind of medical assistance because america) but, yeah Thank you for sharing your experience and asking for support even if it feels ironic and fruitless. It sounds like you are really going through it. There is a difference between depression and sadness, and there are many more therapy options than good ol' CBT. It sounds like you may have lost contact with your values and your true self. A scary situation when the person you think you are isnt working for you any longer. You may benefit from from something like Acceptance and Commitment Therapy (ACT) to figure out who you are/want to be and how to increase your engagement with the world and yourself. Getting out of your mind and into your life. Or at least think about how you are trying to avoid suffering that is just creating more suffering. roomtone posted:i didn't mean trawling the internet didn't work for me, i meant going to counselling, medications and AA didn't work for me. i learned things through them but at the other end, wasn't where i needed to be, i needed something else because they weren't covering it all and i wasn't getting better. then additionally, the internet didn't just not help, but the negativity in mental health discussions and the robotic seek help posts actively turned me off - that is the reason i'm making these posts. do you think people who are posting online about how lovely their lives are, are unaware that counselling and meds and all of that exist? a lot of the time they have been doing these things for years. 'seek help'. yeah okay, i am, kind of still hosed up though so now what. Thank you for sharing your experiences and efforts in trying to do something about how you are feeling. I am curious what did not work for you in regard to things like counseling? Where did you need to be? what did you need to cover in order to "cover it all"? What did you really need / what do you really need now? Not all therapuetic modalities are good fits for everyone, and not every counselor is a good fit for everyone. I hear many complaints about CBT (warrented). CBT is the go to modality for many due to the research associated with it (insurance companies only love and will often only reimburse for evidenced based practices), and it can be effective for raising awareness, catching and identifying problematic thoughts and behaviors associated with them, and taking more action in life through various skills (like opposite action). what it sucks poo poo at is changing the core beliefs from which we interpret the world and actually generate intrusive thoughts and impact our mood and behavior. There are other forms of therapy that can address beliefs about the self and the world. (EMDR, existentialism, etc) These thoughts and beliefs you have about yourself are learned. And the cool thing about them is that they can be unlearned.
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here's a tiny underwater seaweed ranch that belongs to the very next poster itt
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i was depressed and then i decided to come off all my meds and everything was ok forever (to be continued)
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undertale is a good game if you are depressed, it is a bunch of depressed friends waiting for you in your computer. if you are not depressed undertale might be an annoying game though. maybe a good way to work out if you are depressed or just sad
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deep dish peat moss posted:Here's one high tech tiny forest cabin to escape your depression in wanna live in dat house 
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nom epique posted:You’re a weird and rude poster OP So depressing to see posts like this in the depression thread. But, I guess that makes it on topic.
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me: "i'll cure my depression by getting balls deep in final fantasy 14, i always meant to get around to it" square-enix: "but there is no xbox version"  thanks a lot console wars
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roomtone posted:this might piss people but but i'm really sceptical that a lot of what people talk about as depression is anything more than a functional response to a life that has become lovely, combined with a bit of peer pressure to acknowledge the world is hosed up. situational depression presents similar symptoms as clinical depression and you can't necessarily just communism your way out of it i really hope this helps you not say things like this in future
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Saint Isaias Boner posted:situational depression presents similar symptoms as clinical depression and you can't necessarily just communism your way out of it i really hope this helps you not say things like this in future but i appreciate what they said i think it's one of the more helpful things that has been posted  like i think it is really important to recognize which things in one's life are, and which things are not, simply "brain weirds" like, there is such a thing as people having bad luck, or getting into bad circumstances it's so... weird... i mean like... fundamentally, certain aspects of my situation are so hosed. social stuff. but i have an okay job and even though i'm always on the verge of financial collapse, that's been how i've lived almost my whole life, and anyway like i said i have a dece job so i can like, afford weed and video games. i don't drink anymore, i just don't like it. plus when i drink i get more depressed, unless i'm with friends. so there are many moments during the day when i'm like, "i'm fine. everything's fine" but socially, you know, i hate to harp on or whatever but yo, for real, i feel like a weird ugly alien and the reason it sucks is because at every other point in my life prior to this, i was given to understand that i'm a cool handsome weirdo with flaws sure but ultimately a good egg but now that's... kind of coming into question. and the reason that sucks especially is that i really feel like the past year or so of my life has been a process of getting a LOT more in touch with fruity spiritual nonsense about treating others well and not being a dick and etc. like i used to get really impatient when driving, for example, and a while ago i suddenly just realized "wait, i don't have to go as fast as possible at all times, literally nothing matters" and now i basically never get mad while driving so, you know, it really sucks to feel like i'm progressing spiritually and "being a good person" and the univers is just bein like "heh... thats cute... get duked"
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precision posted:but i appreciate what they said i think it's one of the more helpful things that has been posted All of this is exactly why it's important for everyone to be in therapy (e: or at least have a vested interest in teaching themselves about psychology and mental health but take it from me, that's the long and difficult road for no benefit) because this is like, exactly what therapy helps you with. Understanding your emotions is important and basically what you're saying here is "people need to understand their emotions" and yeah, that's why everyone keeps saying go to therapy (not to you in particular just, in general). Having some understanding of your emotions is what allows you to recognize when something is brain weirds vs when something is situational. Emotional understanding is something parents are meant to teach you but the vast majority of parents never do because their parents never taught them, because their parents never taught them (etc., etc.) all the way back to whenever life in human society first became a shitshow and people first had too much going on to properly raise their children. Transgenerational trauma compounds and snowballs over time and each successive generation is more emotionally immature and internally traumatized than the last, and understanding that and why it happens and how it affects you and any children you do or may in the future have is the only way to break the cycle and fix humanity. Zoomers understand all of this better than any previous generation and more than 1/3 of them have been in or are currently in therapy and they will probably be the first enlightened generation of modern times. It doesn't need to be Capital-T "Therapy" with a therapist, but everyone needs to learn about and reflect upon their feelings and how they control their behaviors and shade their perceptions and thoughts, and everyone needs to recognize why they behave and believe the way that they do and what influenced those things so that they can assess whether they were "properly raised" and are actually an emotionally-mature adult, because most of us aren't, and understanding the way that we're not is the first step to getting better and not repeating the same mistakes with future generations. And for 99.99% of us, therapy is the best way to do all of that because our brains are hard-wired against truthful introspection. That's why it hurts and feels awkward as hell to be in therapy. e: And I'm not suggesting therapy as a cure for depression or anything like that, because it's not a cure for depression in the same way that visiting the doctor for a checkup is not a cure for what ails you. Therapy is no different from a visit to the doctor and everyone regardless of their mental health status should get regular checkups. deep dish peat moss fucked around with this message at 01:41 on May 13, 2022 |
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Should be pressin iron op Should be getting so sexy you dont even want to gently caress with people
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deep dish peat moss posted:Here's one high tech tiny forest cabin to escape your depression in i was feeling good but this drawing really bummed me out 
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i gave up trying to be self reliant and tried four antidepressants and one worked, and that seemed to resolve many issues. the problem is, once i sorted out what i can only assume is a chemical imbalance in my body that was causing my depression, i then had to deal with a separate crisis, a crisis of meaning. the farthest i've gotten is that helping people seems to have some meaning to it if you don't think about it too hard. helping people is never a good deal, it's almost never reciprocated, once i got past this it resolved many more issues. i still struggle to look at the world around me and feel confident. i put on a great facade, but my inner world is much like anyone elses. how do you look at the world and feel good about your place in it? i live in the greatest most prosperous country on earth, and it loving sucks and we're doomed. i guess if you're focusing on trying to help the people around you, you can mostly rely on eachother. that's all there is. good luck op.
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scott zoloft posted:Should be pressin iron op lifting weights and buying a skateboard were two things i did when i moved out on my own and suddenly realized i had way too much free time. they're cool because they're active activities and make you feel good and don't require "finding friends" like some other ppl are suggesting.
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Hell Yeah posted:i gave up trying to be self reliant and tried four antidepressants and one worked, and that seemed to resolve many issues. the problem is, once i sorted out what i can only assume is a chemical imbalance in my body that was causing my depression, i then had to deal with a separate crisis, a crisis of meaning. the farthest i've gotten is that helping people seems to have some meaning to it if you don't think about it too hard. helping people is never a good deal, it's almost never reciprocated, once i got past this it resolved many more issues. This is surely personal and different for everyone but for me it was detaching myself from the idea that my life needed to "mean something" or that "my place in the world" needed to be anything more than surviving and not being harmful to the life or environment around me. We're all just animals and we don't have some obligation to "achieve" or "be successful" - those are corporate propaganda, rags-to-riches stories are cherrypicked fiction to make the american dream seem achievable when it never has been. The only true "purpose" of life is to consume energy and, when and if advantageous, reproduce. Similarly chasing some never-ending "happiness" or euphoria or "success" will never work because "being happy all the time" is literally a mental illness. But the reason that just reading that will never work for someone else is because it's, again, all very personal and you sort of need to figure out your own peace. My depression and anxiety was caused primarily by enormous amounts of imagined pressure I thought was on me constantly to be successful or to "achieve" or to "do something" because my parents felt that children were only worth loving if they were net-positive contributors to the family in some way, and I never had true "peace" at home unless I had recently contributed something of value (e.g. good grades or whatever). e: In short I guess, assess why your expectations for life are what they are, and then challenge them to see whether they actually matter to you personally, or if they only matter to you because you feel like they are supposed to. deep dish peat moss fucked around with this message at 02:41 on May 13, 2022 |
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Anxiety is way the gently caress worse than depression I know I've had both. Depression is not brushing your teeth till 4. Anxiety is thinking about the facial self mutilation scene during it in Poltergeist when it occurs to you its time to brush.
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Just remember, our brains love us and want us to be happy. It's why they naturally shy away from introspective and potentially shameful things like: therapy or addiction counseling. It's why when they're depressed or anxious, they know what to do best to care for themselves, which is perpetuate that behavior as a way to make sure they stay safely ensconced in your skull tent. It's why, if you're an addict, they'll tell you that actually you can lie and no one will know OR be mad, and really they probably want or expect you to keep using anyway, so it's ok to give your brain what it wants. So stop making a big deal about it you silly bastards your brains are designed by The Lord to naturally act in their and your best interests. If they weren't why would the Jews keep building those illegal bases under the ice to keep cranking out more and more of the pre-microchipped crack babies they're flooding the streets with? Without our healthy minds to protect us, we'd never see things like that.
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I'm gonna second the gym thing. Exercise is good and releases endorphins and it could help with the self esteem. And you might make a cool gym bro while you're there who might eventually wanna hang out sometime. It's worth a shot? Or a bowling league. There's a few guaranteed hours of other people having to hang out with you at least once a week.
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oh i know bout exericise. i've been exercising a lot for a couple years now. i'm actuall kind of in good shape. i mean i've never had an issue with weight but i used to eat really bad and not exercise as much and i was always tired
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deep dish peat moss posted:This is surely personal and different for everyone but for me it was detaching myself from the idea that my life needed to "mean something" or that "my place in the world" needed to be anything more than surviving and not being harmful to the life or environment around me. We're all just animals and we don't have some obligation to "achieve" or "be successful" - those are corporate propaganda, rags-to-riches stories are cherrypicked fiction to make the american dream seem achievable when it never has been. The only true "purpose" of life is to consume energy and, when and if advantageous, reproduce. we're talking about there being an objective meaning vs there being a personal spiritual meaning. the only thing that ever brought me a feeling of peace was helping people. of course i could investigate it away, and find that what i did wasn't that helpful, and that the person i was helping didn't deserve help. that's probably the objective truth, but it's not about objective truth, it's about how i feel about it. that's the only thing that matters to me. if i could be one of those very religious people that really believes, i would. i think that helps a person in life. but obviously it's objectively incorrect i mean lol.
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precision posted:but i appreciate what they said i think it's one of the more helpful things that has been posted situational depression is still depression with all that implies so it's usually very hard to just bootstrap or reconceptualize your way out of it, and the overall attitude of "it's often not depression you're just loving up" is unhelpful lol. I almost definitely have situational depression rather than clinical but the situation is multi-year and has been basically untractable (it does improve sometimes but there's nothing I can do to cause that to happen, it just sorta happens on its own and has lots of ups and downs). for the rest of it depression can cause a nasty feedback loop with social anxiety. you are or feel like you're depressing to be around or are a drain on your friends so people treat you more like that. depression does that with a lot of things. it just generally makes everything moderately to a lot more exhausting. also intrusive thoughts, definitely not fun.
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