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Hobo Clown posted:Trailer makes it look like commies are being phased out and replaced with tech bros We already did Don't Look Up
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drat that was some good rear end TV. Having seen Severance, I feel like I'm a bit spoiled for "imaginative take on unstuck-in-time tech". It really kind of blew that bar off the pillars, so I'm not really that surprised that FAM's tech is a bit less balls-to-the-wall about it, but it does kind of poo poo me that they're flogging it so much with these extra features about the alt-universe tech that just isn't as creative as maybe it could be. We have 2022 LCDs in elevator controls and LG flatscreen TVs everywhere but we're also taking notes on literal Newtons? Lmao. The lollest thing to me was the phone call between Margo and Sergei. "THANK YOU FOR THAT THING YOU HELPED US WITH IN COMPLETE SECRECY WHICH I WILL DESCRIBE NOW IN DETAIL TO WHOEVER MIGHT BE LISTENING, WINK WINK." "Anyway we need help on uuuuhhhhh thrusters" "No problem here's the solution"
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Jun 10, 2022 22:00
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EvilHawk posted:
Yeah the clandestine aspect of it was one thing, which I thought was pretty funny about how clearly it was telegraphing things; but the other half which was more  was how he just sort of casually mentioned in the vaguest possible terms some specific and extremely esoteric problem and she just immediately knew what he was talking about and had a solution ready to offer. Like in real life your whole team of crack scientists are stuck on a problem with your bespoke top-secret homegrown tech for weeks and your boss makes one phone call to the rival team's boss and instead of having to spend weeks coming up to speed and learning your stack and the intricate nature of the problem she's like "oh just bypass the nancor valve"
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Jun 10, 2022 23:03
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Madurai posted:I'm pretty sure we're meant to. He's written like a finely-pureed slurry of all techbros. My wife has worked in Silicon Valley for twenty years, and predicted nearly every line of his dialogue he said. While wincing. Yeah, he's all but an archetype after the last few years, in which we've had: - The Mitchells vs. the Machines - Don't Look Up - Silicon Valley - WeCrashed - The Expanse - even the fuggin MLP movie And that's just off the top of my head, all focused on these charismatic utopian techbro types. If he ends up NOT being a pure mustache-twirling villain it'll be some kind of huge subversion at this point.
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Jun 18, 2022 00:13
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That's fkkn rad I was trying to catch a glimp of the Newton namebadge to see if it was a "normal" model name or a new one they made up but I couldn't ever make it out.
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Jun 25, 2022 02:12
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Had to lol that they made an actual plot point out of sending a poet
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Jun 25, 2022 16:51
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Yeah but, just in case it's not obvious https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHBPnmXBm0g
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Jun 25, 2022 19:33
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It's just that bit from The Right Stuff again stuffy old scientists growling out "the capsule ... I mean ....  spacecraft will have ... manual controls *teeth grind to powder*" while the good awesome cowboy astronauts look on like 
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Jun 25, 2022 22:46
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"OK I'll give you our nuclear engines!" "I'm sorry ... but you should have listened to your father  "
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Jun 26, 2022 16:37
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I love the idea that all the conditions necessary to make Chernobyl happen in a power station on the ground will be present on an interplanetary spacecraft, just because of its inherent Sovietness Like they'll shut off the power from the attached diesel engines to perform a reactor spindown test while most of the crew is in cryo-sleep
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Jun 26, 2022 16:53
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Russians using Nixon’s “mad man” theory against us
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Jun 26, 2022 19:20
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I'm trying to figure out how the episode's writer put both "step foot" and "set foot" into the same scene Either it's some crazy committee scriptwriting or some kind of next-level verisimilitude
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Jul 1, 2022 21:47
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What isn't clear to me is how the three launch parties all happened to get going at the exact same time. Was it an agreement between all of them, tacit or explicit? Did they all just zero in on each other's spy-deciphered launch dates, whipping their teams to a new deadline every time they learned of another team's slip or advance? On what level of officialdom is this a "race"?
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Jul 2, 2022 01:09
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Better that than "Ha-haaah, I was double agent the whole time!"
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Jul 2, 2022 04:31
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mobby_6kl posted:I get that things could theoretically develop faster (and LCD monitors were a thing in mid 90s) but it's just disappointing from a set design point of view. It's just kind of boring, especially Severance has really spoiled me, but I have to remind myself that really most of the alt-tech design in that show is very self-contained in a small area and they leaned a lot on real-world retro-futuristic locations like that Bell Labs research center in NJ. It probably would have been fuggin' expensive to do that pervasive a level of design for a FAM alt-history that blends present-day and 1980s and weird-skewed-unstuck-in-time-aesthetic-we-can't-even-really-imagine-because-it's-a-different-timeline, and would have to be evident in the entire world from cars to spacecraft to phones to TVs and everything else, not just certain self-contained scenes.
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Jul 4, 2022 00:38
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It would be very funny to me if the most expensive thing developed for Severance was that 8-bit “CONGRATULATIONS, KEIR IS PROUD OF YOU” video game cutscene
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Jul 4, 2022 12:06
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blue squares posted:Can’t wait till they invent cyborgs so all this can happen again
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Jul 4, 2022 19:21
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Hyrax Attack! posted:Yeah, wish they’d spend half the time on it with better writing and maybe a better actor for Danny. Feels like they just told a middle of the road thespian to “kinda act like the Joker?” There are hints of interesting ideas about it like Danny not mentioning his wife in his video message and barely caring he has a daughter, but the whole Danny master hacker stuff is silly Yeah I really hate his acting. It's like he doesn't know how to read a script. That whole video call to his brother, the bits where he was quoting some term or phrase from someone else were just paced all wrong, like that's not how you would say a thing like that, that's how you would read it in front of your 7th grade English class. Can't recall the exact thing he said and I'm too tired to go back and watch it again, but it just felt so clumsy. Oh by the way the subtitles are apparently from an early draft script, all the mentions of "GPS" during descent were subtitled as "gyroscopes" among myriad other changes, like the Russian guy revealing he was the one who got the radio signals said "I can't wait to hear what song you'll play next" instead of whatever line he said in the final take
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Jul 11, 2022 05:31
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I've always wondered about that actually. Doesn't that mean every director has to be an actor, basically? Doesn't the director have to act out every line exactly the way they want the actor to do it? Otherwise there are so many ways to misread the text off a flat script without even bold or italics to emphasize particular words or whatever.
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Jul 11, 2022 14:22
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Ah yeah, there's that; though also there's just the thing where there can be a line like "I know that you're seeing Maloney" and the meaning of the sentence is completely different depending on which word you emphasize, the "I", or the "you're", or the "Maloney", etc. Sometimes I see actors just get it completely wrong — even Aleida did it once in this episode, and I don't know how that slips past both the director and the actor. It seems like a weakness in how scripts are written or something? Like there should be a whole language of mystical stenographer's notations that denote how a sentence should be delivered? I don't know. Anyway just checking that Danny scene again and it's when he says "when he puts his arm around me or calls me 'kid'" — he just completely flatly says "kid", doesn't say it in a sneering way or emphasize it or anything like you would do in real life. And then "that big dumb grin" is not how you'd say it either, he'd be hunting for words, spitting them out one at a time, not just mumbling them all out. Eh I don't know what I'm talking about, I just don't like how uncanny it sounds, to the point where I can't believe the subtitles say what they say, it's so incongruous e: the Aleida read I was thinking of was "Aleksey is a quick study, but he's too quick". Not "TOO quick". I don't know why she emphasized the second "quick", it's very weird Data Graham fucked around with this message at 15:13 on Jul 11, 2022 |
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Jul 11, 2022 15:02
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Whaddya think this is, The Expanse?
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Jul 12, 2022 03:29
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Danny popping acetaminophen (if I saw it correctly) I thought was going to end up leading to him getting fast-acting Martian liver warts or something
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Jul 16, 2022 00:41
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Danielle subtly dumping her shot in a plant or whatever she did with it, and then chugging the whole bottle at the end, was pretty tight
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Jul 16, 2022 03:36
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If the show actually thought it was a perfect compromise it wouldn’t have called it a perfect compromise Or done it in episode 7 of a season-long arc
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Jul 16, 2022 14:30
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Maybe the message is that you can identify the Myers-Briggs character template that you think a person fits into and assign them a role based on your careful assessment of their strengths and tendencies, but then when push comes to shove what they're actually going to do is anybody's fuckin guess because people are not baseball cards Ray Dalio
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Jul 17, 2022 15:17
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Data Graham posted:Maybe the message is that you can identify the Myers-Briggs character template that you think a person fits into and assign them a role based on your careful assessment of their strengths and tendencies, but then when push comes to shove what they're actually going to do is anybody's fuckin guess because people are not baseball cards Ray Dalio Anyway this was a joke but I think I mean it actually. I'm sure someone has spelled this out already but because I'm lazy: The season arc's whole setup was Margo's/Molly's choice of captain between cowboy Ed and by-the-book Danielle, and Helios and the Soviet inflight accident (in part, they serve other narrative purposes too of course) are contrivances that allow the show to pit Ed and Danielle against each other head-to-head to see their respective leadership styles. As it turns out, there's a wild card in each of their cases: Ed's surrogate-father protectiveness toward Danny, and Danielle still being stung by Ed's racist comment (and probably some resentment over being chosen because of her predictability). And the result is that each of them behaves precisely opposite to how all the NASA character analysis had said they would: Ed picks the safe option though it means giving up glory, and Danielle risks her whole crew and mission and nearly blows it all up because of pride. I think one of the show's big strengths is that despite this being the main narrative through-line of the season so far, all the characters involved are also serving other plots as well — Ed and Helios and Kelly and Danny and Karen, Danielle and Kelly and the cosmonauts, etc. and they all interrelate and flow from each other without it all (yet) bursting apart at the seams.
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Jul 17, 2022 19:00
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Thought it was amusing that they did a quick lift-and-shift of Ellen's presidency from Clinton to Obama: "I thought you would fight for people like us, but it's just been compromise after compromise" Still hate Danny's actor. His read of "Everyone thought he was the ringleader, it was me every time" is so utterly unlike how any human being would say those words I can't believe this motherfucker has ever had an acting class. But the "Gee I wish we had a scene to resemble the Babylon 5 elevator scene" scene was generally pretty good. The whole episode was fairly snappy and didn't have any weird draggy bits, people were competent where it counted (springing into action to do emergency brain surgery for example), and everyone involved had some good character development moments, especially Dev and Margo.
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Jul 31, 2022 00:01
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Maybe they haven’t invented effective birth control in this universe, they focused on inventing Viagra ahead of time
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Jul 31, 2022 12:28
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President gay so what Anyway in re: the writing, yeah it's fun to see how they're all frantically cramming on a "how to salvage a poo poo storyline" textbook or something. One thing I've gradually learned about TV watching is that in a modern show especially, when you have people sitting in a room talking about how they're going to get out of X situation by doing A, wait no that won't work, ok here's our long-shot last-ditch plan B, then the scene ends, you are guaranteed that what they end up doing is not B but Z. You never say "we're going to do thing" and then just do thing. It's gotta be a feint and a surprise. So Ellen's last-moment Selina Meyer move was telegraphed pretty hard but it sure did the job of getting the show back on the rails.
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Aug 7, 2022 02:06
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Lotta unimpressed takes on this episode, but I really enjoyed it. Mainly it's a vibe for me at this point; I really love the big long protracted musical cues over the montages, like the somber piano one covering the final ~10m or so, from the bombing to the Mars justice bit. And I will admit to laughing out loud with delight at seeing the Kelly maneuver take place. But then I'm a sucker for audiovisual spectacles like the moon landing scene in First Man. And the aftermath of the bombing, if anyone is at all unclear about the fact that it's meant to parallel the OKC bombing more than anything else, it might be because you weren't around to see the visuals of the building on the news night after night. It was a dead-on point-for-point reference. Also a small note about the Karen "is she dead" scene — another giveaway is blood in the corner of the mouth. You don't walk away from that on film lol.
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Aug 15, 2022 00:26
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Yeah the more they tried to explain the logistics of the North Korean manned one-way shot the less sense it made. Was I mishearing something last episode when the Russian guy said NK had sent dozens of probes that all had the piece of tech they needed, and only this one happened to be close enough by that they could reach it by rover? ... Are there 20 other hapless North Korean dudes chilling in Soyuzes all over the planet with 1-year supplies of stew and guns in boxes? Trying to picture what the long-term game plan for any of that was back in Pyongyang
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Aug 15, 2022 10:37
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Which uuuuhhh brings up a different point, which is simply ... what the hell is the narrative purpose of the NK guy at all? How does it even change the story? I thought the big changeup would be to completely upend geopolitics due to making the whole three-way space race just a golly-gee-shucks waste of time, but ... there was no consequence to it that we got to see? Just the JSC and then a time skip. Maybe there'll be a lot more international fallout from it in S4E01 but ... But thinking about how this was framed from a writing standpoint, it's - Conflict: we need to get our guys back up to Phoenix - Ticking clock: Kelly is pregnant - New problem: mystery acronym tech is broken, we have to get a new one - Surprise solution: there's one over there - PLOT TWIST! NK DUDE  - ... Anyway. They get acronym tech and send Kelly back to Phoenix and all is well Like ... what is he now, "Another Crewman!" from the end of Galaxy Quest?
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Aug 15, 2022 11:07
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Karen, from balcony: 🤌 "That fingers thing means money!"
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Aug 15, 2022 14:34
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Niwrad posted:They could have just come across the lander and found 2 dead bodies in it. That makes some sense at least. NK sent 20 suicide missions to Mars in hopes of being first to the planet.
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Aug 16, 2022 00:23
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Sorry, that was just me. Don't perpetuate my dumbness just because I find it funny to imagine
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Aug 16, 2022 00:41
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Not sure how it burnishes China's pride to have them be a complete non-factor in the space race
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Aug 17, 2022 19:43
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No way, it's clearly a Space Mutiny name Deke Slayton, gimme a break
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Sep 20, 2022 11:34
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Ethics_Gradient posted:If I was one of the showrunners, I'd be so tempted to swap out any world maps in the background with one where China just isn't there, like it goes USSR/Mongolia/MORE PACIFIC OCEAN/Southeast Asia, just as a bit of a wink to the absurdity of what the corporate censorship requires. Lol like in Steven Universe where there's a shot of the world map and there's just a giant crater where Russia should be
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Jan 6, 2023 12:29
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WhiteHowler posted:I actually called the North Korean on Mars thing in the first or second episode, but it was more of an observation to my wife of "ha, watch North Korea Laika some poor guy up to Mars with no way home, but no, that would be way too stupid". When it didn't happen after a few episodes, I figured they wouldn't go there. Whoops. In a show full of unbelievable things, that dude surviving for nearly a year out of the Soyuz is probably the worst. There's no way a craft that size could supply food, oxygen, and power for the trip plus 6+ months on Mars. Even with a customized service module for the journey, it's a real stretch. I like the plot point in general, so we'll suspend disbelief. It's really weird that this show was made after The Martian. Having rewatched that recently, it really left its footprint on people's minds (or I'd thought it did) about how Job 1 if you're stranded on Mars is to grow food somehow, because no way are your shipboard provisions going to last you even a few months until help arrives, even if you have a full hab. A one-man module full of cans of cat food is just lmao. The movie was a big cultural touchstone too, hell the DuckTales show referenced it outright with Della stranded on the moon
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SET foot
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