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Major Spag posted:Heresy takes many forms. All of which need to be bonked. JcDent posted:https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/09/07/heresy-thursday-the-most-exemplary-battles-of-all-come-to-print/ My only hope is that DA get something a bit more exciting than inner circle knights painted white. I want to convert.
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# ¿ Sep 8, 2023 16:17 |
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# ¿ May 11, 2024 05:31 |
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Improbable Lobster posted:I do wonder if they other Exemplary Battles will be collected too. I've wanted Morlock Terminators since the Fulgrim novel came out and it's nice that they finally got some rules acknowledgement with that one battle. ijyt posted:Rules in books is the only way they're legal. PDF's? Online articles? Nonsense.
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# ¿ Sep 8, 2023 20:58 |
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SkyeAuroline posted:Anyone else getting games in recently? NOVA has shifted to a new venue (and I think management?) and that brought some changes to the event as a whole. There used to be a central NOVA charity lounge everyone would hang out at, but that was gone. I really missed it and I think everyone else did too. It made meeting up with other groups less likely which took some of the energy away. Not a deal breaker by any means, but something I hope they change next year. There is a pretty active local community where I live, but I haven't been able to engage with it much. I moved to Atlanta less than a year ago for work so it took some time before I was ready to look into things. Unfortunately, they tend to meet on Sundays and I've been working a lot of weekends. I went to a game day back in like late April and then never returned. The project I'm on should be calming down soon so I'll give it another shot. And other than that, I've got LVO to prep for.
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# ¿ Sep 12, 2023 16:21 |
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I love this beefy boy and will be de-traitorizing him. The loyalist champion was fine, but this is more my speed.
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# ¿ Sep 14, 2023 14:08 |
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The space wolf range has been cursed since its launch with book 7. Upside down bolters, banana fur, Fat Bastard, etc., etc. The deathsworn are great though. The awuuuuu wolf hats were dumb, but also really funny and they should have kept them around.
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# ¿ Sep 21, 2023 14:27 |
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That conversion would work great for Iron Hands or Iron Warriors. Or maybe Salamanders. I think you've got the shoulders on backwards though. If that's intended, just ignore me.
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# ¿ Sep 22, 2023 13:17 |
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Rasler posted:As for paint scheme, I'm going with blackshields so that I can make my own scheme. I have already started to paint a HH land raider up in what I think the final scheme will end up being:
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# ¿ Sep 23, 2023 18:35 |
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It is always summer in England.
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# ¿ Oct 8, 2023 12:21 |
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I'm gonna get the New Box. And the Book.
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# ¿ Oct 8, 2023 19:30 |
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Hell yeah. I know some folks who have been waiting for these rules since 2.0 launched. Nice to finally have them and it'll definitely get some people hobbying again. Demon armies are such a great opportunity for conversions and proxies and no two armies look alike. Excited to see what comes out of this. That said, having read the rules, this is an army with a few problems. The Heavy Support slot is basically dead space. Just trash. Additionally, while I understand why the customization of the old list was stripped back I think they went a little too far with it. Most units have one or two options and some have none. It was all a little too much before, but this list has the opposite problem. That said, the big guys still have some nice options available and will see a variety of builds and the dominions will add a bit of flavor to the lesser demons. It would've been nice to be able to mix those, but that would've been impossible for an opponent to track. It's better this way and the bonuses are generally pretty solid across the board. Lists will probably fill out their HQ and elite slots as much as they can. I think demon lists might wind up a bit samey as a result, but we'll see. All in all, while I think the militia list turned out better, this is a decent base for the writers to tweak and build off of. I'm just speculating here, but if the new exemplary battles book is anything to go off of then the writers will revisit these lists in the future as they get them into print. It sucks for demon and militia players to be stuck with beta rules for a while though. As a Dark Angels player, I have an idea of what that's like. I'm happy they're trying stuff out and if this leads to tighter rules in the future then it's all good.
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# ¿ Oct 10, 2023 20:24 |
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I love that they went to this little bit of effort. I like heavy support guys in mkIII so this is targeted directly at me. They'll also be nice bits to have for when you want to bulk up a character or something. I think I want to build a plasma cannon or volkite culverin unit.
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# ¿ Oct 12, 2023 14:31 |
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# ¿ Oct 14, 2023 20:31 |
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moths posted:I'm trying to jam some not-Daemonettes in my list, and it looks like lesser Daemons don't exist in the Bound Ruinstorm so I need to use an Esoterist and the Regular Ruinstorm because Malefic Supplicant is just for Bound and Unfortunately, the bound demon list is kind of a weird placeholder from before the demons list was finalized. They updated it with a slight wording change when the full list dropped, but there are still strange disconnects like the brutes having worse WS and different weapons. Until the bound list gets a real update I'd just use the ruinstorm demons. They deliberately made demons their own weird thing and locked them out of the normal allies system. It's annoying, but esoterists are cool so they're not a terrible option. Go for it. Make some brutes too. Alternatively, and I know this isn't the best solution and won't work everywhere, but maybe talk to your friends and see if they'd mind if you just swap a few words around and run the ruinstorm list as bound demons. Or just cheat.
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# ¿ Oct 19, 2023 19:21 |
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There's also this bit of Adrian Smith art from one of the earlier black books The new armor is definitely taking some design cues from this, such as the shape of the shin plates.
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# ¿ Oct 30, 2023 12:43 |
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Bad Decision Dino posted:Posting a small batrep of my and my opponents third game of Heresy, after doing two 500 pts games last time we played. We're both still trying to build our stuff when we get the chance, let alone paint the models and the board.
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# ¿ Nov 1, 2023 14:18 |
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The legion lists are overall pretty well balanced as everyone is pulling from the same pool of units and even the legion unique units are variations on existing statlines/wargear/whatever. Unfortunately, dreadnoughts are kind of the exception. Contemptors in particular are just a little too good. It's a combination of being tough, fast, and having access to a variety of great weapons. Just be aware of that going into things, but you should still feel comfortable taking them. Don't feel bad about wanting to run dreadnoughts. Contemptors are kind of the problem children of the game right now, but leviathans, deredeos, and regular boxdreads are good alternatives. While they're still pretty powerful, they don't have the speed of the contemptor. Unless you're running Fury of the Ancients, a rite of war that gives you a contemptor warlord and up to six scoring contemptors among other things, don't feel bad about taking dreadnoughts. If it proves to be a problem, just pull your punches a little and tone things down. The 30k community is largely self-correcting and you'll get a feel for things as you get games in.
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# ¿ Nov 1, 2023 18:15 |
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The stormseer's great. I can't help but wonder if this means the other legion-specific consuls (DA paladin, EC phoenix warden, etc.) will get models. I'm pretty well covered on idiots with large swords, but I'll always take another.
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# ¿ Nov 10, 2023 20:01 |
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https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/11/18/world-championships-preview-mkvi-assault-marines-rocket-into-the-age-of-darkness/ The new assault marines look great with paint on them. The kit seems pretty solid too. Even comes with 10 combat shields. The one thing I'm iffy on is that it seems like the kit won't come with regular power weapons. You'll have to source them from elsewhere for the unit. That will be less of an issue after we get that melee weapon sprue that's coming in spring 2024. I get it though. They had to make space somewhere and the combat shields are really cool and don't exist outside of weird one-offs. You can get power weapons from anywhere.
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# ¿ Nov 18, 2023 05:37 |
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Crazy Ferret posted:My group of friends put together a truly massive 30k game. A massive 30k versus 30k game with everything from massive Titans to the humble Guard troopers seeing action. Please enjoy the pictures since this was an epic game and showcases some of my friends incredible work. Please ignore the background decor as our rental house was furnished by insane facebook posts we think. Quoting for the new page because this poo poo's great. Love seeing huge battles like this where (almost) everything's painted. They represent a ton of effort from everyone involved.
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# ¿ Nov 20, 2023 20:30 |
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Bullbar posted:I was busy for three hours and my local store put up the Legions Imperialis preorders and they sold out in that time. I mean I just got it from elsewhere, and apparently they only got 7 copies, so not a huge deal. I wound up getting stuff off of ebay instead. I've never gone that route for pre-orders so we'll see how it goes. I got enough to form a solid base to build off of and no more than that. We know more stuff is coming and, thankfully, I already have a full Legio Solaria force ready to go from AT. I'm excited to try out some schemes. I want something efficient that also looks reasonably close to my 28mm army. Enough that I can say they represent the same force at different scales. moths posted:My buddy and I figured out why his Sons of Horus were underperforming: he had been consistently using rhinos to move his melee troops around.
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# ¿ Nov 25, 2023 13:59 |
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There are some legitimately great squads in this article: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/11/29/assault-marines-come-screaming-in-from-the-horus-heresy-studio/ Big fan of these guys. I'm a sucker for checkers and heraldry. Why yes, I do play Dark Angels.
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# ¿ Nov 29, 2023 16:10 |
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smug jeebus posted:Those are really great looking squads. Are people taking combat shields? They seem kind of questionable and I already wasted 40 points sticking chain bayonets on my tacticals. I keep going back and forth on combat shields. They're only a 2 point/model upgrade and I think that a large unit will benefit from them especially when combined with an apothecary. That's a lot of extra points though. We're talking 100 points in durability at that point. If I had to pick between the two options I'd take the apothecary. However, the shields do look really good and they're a great opportunity for individual heraldry. And 40 points isn't that much in 2k+...
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# ¿ Nov 29, 2023 18:01 |
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https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/11/30/heresy-thursday-the-dark-emissary-brings-the-warmasters-unrelenting-gaze/ We've got another consul so it looks like they're going to run through the unique ones as well as some iconic ones like the Thousand Sons librarian. I don't play SoH so I had to look this guy's rules up. He's meant to lead an allied detachment and would work very well in a militia or solar aux army. Great, but definitely niche.
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# ¿ Nov 30, 2023 17:05 |
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Yeah, I think there's a really good chance that a refreshed mkIV kit is the next major release. I'm a little disappointed in that just because I'd rather see mkII or mkV, but I'm certainly not upset about it. I just already have a mkIV core to my army and I don't really need more. Maybe I go insane and replace my old tacticals.GhastlyBizness posted:Yeah he’s a niche character but tbh those ‘embedded’ officers always seemed to have a lot of fun narrative possibility. SoH overseers, Word Bearer missionaries, Space Wolf watch packs, Imperial Fist adjutants, all slowly pissing off the legion they were dispatched to hang out with.
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# ¿ Dec 1, 2023 12:50 |
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I don't understand their resistance to adding skitarii to the game. I understand they are trying to differentiate the two settings a bit and this is a way to show the progression/regression of the mechanicum/mechanicus. They can leave out stuff like the cowboys or winged guys if they don't feel like they fit what they're going for in 30k, that's fine. I just don't see a reason the more basic stuff like the actual skitarii or sicarians can't be included in the mechanicum list. They're in some of the BL books already. They'd make starting a 30k army much easier if potential players didn't immediately have to get resin. Genuinely, I think skitarii and a lot of the stuff from the 40k admech list would fulfill useful roles in the 30k list. There are definitely holes to fill there. Like decent infantry who can actually hold an objective and fight. Safety Factor fucked around with this message at 00:44 on Dec 3, 2023 |
# ¿ Dec 3, 2023 00:41 |
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GW just dropped a big bunch of 30k FAQs: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/12/05/warhammer-the-horus-heresy-faqs-and-errata-for-age-of-darkness-publications/ Highlights include clarifications on how exactly units in reserve work when they arrive on the table, armigers interacting with haywire and other anti-vehicle rules properly, and fulmentarus terminators getting nerfed into the loving ground.
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# ¿ Dec 5, 2023 15:10 |
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Beerdeer posted:The UM groups are looking their loving minds
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# ¿ Dec 5, 2023 17:00 |
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Alpha Legion Saboteur https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/12/07/heresy-thursday-hoodwink-your-foes-with-the-alpha-legion-saboteur/ This guy's great, just loaded down with gear. He's also in customized mkV armor which is a nice change-up.
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# ¿ Dec 7, 2023 20:22 |
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I picked up a box of the new assault marines to convert into three dark angel enigmatus units. They've always been on my radar since book IX dropped, but their points decrease in the latest round of updates got me thinking. I could buy one box and convert all I'd ever need. I just need to source a few things. I have all the dark angel bits and swords in the world, but does anyone know of a good source for needle pistols? Preferably plastic though a third party option is fine too. The only one I can find from GW is on the GSC primus model and I'm not sourcing 9 of those just for their pistols. I'm also interested in alternate jump packs, but I think people will need some time to design some that are compatible with the assault marine kit. [Edit: I just remembered the Escher range is full of needle weapons.] These guys are a weird-rear end little unit. They're a holdover from 1.0 and wound up in the legacies pdf alongside the Excindio. They come in groups of three and can't be increased any further, but their stats are crazy with WS5, W2, A3, and even I5. 3+ save though and no invulnerable. They can deep strike or outflank and the PLASMA ROCKETS they've strapped to their backs give them a 4+ shrouded save on the turn they arrive from reserve from all the smoke they put out. Oh, and they can super charge their swords once per game to rend on a 3+. No frag grenades though. Seriously, what a bunch of loving weirdos. Safety Factor fucked around with this message at 15:53 on Dec 17, 2023 |
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Winter is like December through February. There's still time to fall within that window. I figured the army would be solar aux and I think that's pretty much guaranteed now after the Legions Imperialis launch. However, I was worried they'd do something weird like keep the infantry resin and only put out plastic tanks. I really hope I'm wrong on that one. It would be an odd way to go and would kill enthusiasm pretty quickly.
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# ¿ Dec 21, 2023 01:09 |
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The main reason I dreamt up the idea of the infantry staying resin is the level of detail on the solar aux models. I mean, their armor features multiple flanges and every individual stud and nut is modeled. It's a big part of their look for me. I'm concerned that injection molding might carry certain limitations that would see those details sacrificed. But we'll see. If they can faithfully reproduce these models in plastic, fantastic. If they have to make a few small changes to make them work, fair enough. I just don't want a scenario where the resin and plastic models diverge too much.
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# ¿ Dec 21, 2023 01:49 |
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Mr Teatime posted:Rules question, any sons of Horus can exchange their power weapon for a Carsoran axe/Tabar and Justaerin come stock with a Carsoran axe and can replace them with power weapons. Are you able to go Carsoran axe>power weapon>Carsoran Tabar? Seems a bit odd if so because why the heck would you take the stock axe if you can swap to the Tabar for free. The simple answer is that the tabar didn't exist when the 2.0 index was written. Now that it's here though you can totally swap to one using that chained decision tree or whatever you want to call it. It's dumb, but it works.
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# ¿ Dec 21, 2023 15:07 |
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ijyt posted:New resin apothecaries, love the Mk V! I've been needing a couple more apothecaries so I'll definitely be picking them up. I have the old mkII and mkIV guys so it'll be nice to add to them. I'll probably be giving these guys power swords though and one's getting a jump pack.
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# ¿ Dec 21, 2023 15:21 |
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https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/12/28/whats-coming-to-the-horus-heresy-in-2024/ The video shows a command squad standard bearer and what can only be plastic solar aux. There's even a little light sentinel thing. No real obfuscation on any of this like with the 40k or AoS videos.
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# ¿ Dec 28, 2023 15:22 |
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Stephenls posted:I’m guessing the command squad will have a variety of armor marks. I'm in the weird boat where I don't actually want a standard command squad even though it's a fantastic unit. Deathwing companions are just that little bit better than them. However, they can't take a legion standard and so aren't scoring. It's their main downside and can be relevant in smaller formats like ZM.
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# ¿ Dec 28, 2023 19:19 |
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:I'm debating between Salamanders or Blood Angels. What are some playstyle differences and some other troops to flesh out the army after the HH box? Overall, Blood Angels are meant to be a fast, hard hitting force built around jump packs and melee units. They need the charge for their legion special rule to work so you want to build your army with that in mind. +1 to wound is no joke and can make even mediocre units potentially scary. Dedicated melee units become powerhouses that very little can slow down. Speed and massed deep strike are how you make the most of this. The Blood Angels unique reaction is also pretty good. It's done in the shooting phase and gives a unit Shrouded (5+) and then lets them perform an out of sequence charge. Obviously, this only works up close, but if you're playing aggressively (like you should) it'll come up. Blood Angels also have some interesting wargear available to them, the first being the inferno pistol. It's a simple swap for a plasma pistol and is just a 6" meltagun. It's a neat option and you can probably do something funny with a moritat. Then they have the perdition weapons which are upgraded power weapons that any character can take, even sergeants. They're 5 points more than normal, but come with +1S and Brutal (2). They also become two-handed, but that's a fair trade. Blood Angels are also one of the designated assault cannon legions along with the Imperial Fists. You've got pretty broad access to them, but they're not cheap. You can do dumb stuff like dreadnoughts with assault cannon fists or predators with a twin-linked assault cannon turret, assault cannon sponsons, and a pintle-mounted assault cannon if you really want to. There are two unique Blood Angels Rites of War and they offer pretty different play styles:
Their unique units are pretty diverse. Not much overlap here though jump packs feature heavily:
For building out of the AoD box, I'd recommend picking up some assault marines. You can build without them, but why would you? They just got a new kit and a couple big blobs of 20 can form the core of your army and present a genuine threat to almost anything. The tactical marines from the box are still useful, don't get me wrong, but they'll be your backfield objective holders or you can pick up special/heavy weapons to make support squads. After a unit or two of assault marines, maybe build up some fire support. Predators, sicarans, vindicators, etc. are all good choices and are now plastic. Or you could look at one of the legion units I mentioned above. They're all good candidates and you'll need a big melee threat. We also have a command squad kit coming in early 2024 and a jump pack unit would look awesome and really anchor your force in a Day of Revelation list. The only thing in the AoD box I don't see you using much with this legion is the spartan. I'm not saying you should sell it off, but you will generally have other delivery methods available. The basic cataphractii unit that came in the box is a good candidate to ride in it, I just don't know how often you'll want to go that route. Maybe Crimson Paladins in a Day of Sorrows list. This is a lot of words so I'm going to split the Salamanders into a separate post. Sorry, I was bored at work the other day and this got out of hand.
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# ¿ Dec 30, 2023 22:50 |
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:I'm debating between Salamanders or Blood Angels. What are some playstyle differences and some other troops to flesh out the army after the HH box? Salamanders are sturdy and meant to take hits as they dish it out themselves at short range. Their trait reduces the effectiveness of incoming flame, melta, plasma, and volkite weapons. Note that this is a flat -1 to wound and not a reduction in strength. Your multi-wound models will still be killed by S8 weapons like meltas even if they're wounding on a 3+ instead of a 2+. It also doesn't affect your vehicles. Still, a solid trait that your infantry and dreadnoughts will love. Additionally, multi-wound models and vehicles gain It Will Not Die (6+) which is pretty minor, but could come in handy in clutch situations every so often. Don't count on it, but it could frustrate your opponent if you get lucky. Their unique reaction isn't game changing and might be a little underwhelming, but I've never seen it in action so I might be wrong. It provides a temporary stat boost (+1 WS, S, and A) when charged at the cost of potentially doing damage to your own unit after the combat is resolved. It actually sounds pretty decent now that I'm typing it out, but you'll have to weigh if it's worth it over just overwatching or whatever. A big thing to remember with Salamanders is that all of their flamers are upgraded to dragon's breath weapons for free. Everything from hand flamers to flamestorm cannons gain +1S, AP4 if they didn't have it already, and inflict d6 hits with Wall of Death instead of the standard d3. If you want to burn things, these are your guys. However, combi-flamers aren't upgraded, only standard ones. That's not all for though. To start with, any character, sergeants included, can master-craft a weapon for 10 points. HQs or anyone in terminator armor can take storm shields that boost any existing invulnerable save by +1. You'll generally want them for praetors or anyone in cataphractii for those sweet 3+ invulnerable saves. Don't bother with them on regular terminators, but they are absolutely worth it on Firedrakes. Praetors also have access to the Mantle of the Elder Drake which grants them Battle-hardened (1) for some decent protection against instant death. Between the last two items, Salamanders praetors are probably the toughest in the game. Give one a thunder hammer and watch him go. The Salamanders' rites of war aren't as polarized as the Blood Angels', but they're still solid.
Though Salamanders only have two unique units in the index book, they've benefitted a bit from the Exemplary Battles articles/book. They're all infantry, but they are somewhat blessed in that all of these units have two wounds. This leads Salamanders lists to be a bit tougher than normal.
Building these guys out from the AoD box will be pretty straightforward. The tacticals can form the core of your army. Nothing wrong with cheap, scoring bodies. Maybe pick up some special weapons and make a flamer or melta squad and give them a rhino. The terminators can ride in the spartan until you get a unit of firedrakes built up. That's a unit meant for larger games so there's no rush. As mentioned, dreadnoughts love the Salamanders' legion rules so don't be afraid to grab another contemptor or even a leviathan. The leviathan can be a bit tricky since the arms are split between two boxes. You probably don't want a mixed ranged build so you might have to trade for an arm or get an extra weapons sprue. Go all melee or melta/claw and stick it in a drop pod. Double melta could also be fun and double storm cannon is a really effective all-comers ranged build. Your first resin unit should probably be pyroclasts. They're just that good. Though you may want a land raider for them.
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# ¿ Dec 30, 2023 23:03 |
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Yeah, if you have concrete plans for the infantry it'll be a good purchase. Unless you've already got two deredeos and, I don't know, three land raiders you'll be able to find room for those models pretty easily. Personally, I'm making 10x plasma repeaters, 10x volkite calivers, and 10x plasma cannon guys. I thought about keeping some models in reserve on the off chance we get a breacher upgrade kit for them, but plasma cannons won out.
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# ¿ Jan 2, 2024 20:46 |
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Broken Record Talk posted:But not a Spartan like most other Elite Terminators because Horus was a naughty boy or something. The good lord gave you deep strike* and I suggest you learn how to use it. *In the Black Reaving rite of war.
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# ¿ May 11, 2024 05:31 |
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The new aux look great. They translated to plastic pretty well. There's been a minor loss of detail, but they're going to be so much more convenient that that's irrelevant. It's interesting that they changed the lasrifle's power cell though. Wouldn't have thought the old version would've been a problem in plastic so I wonder what's going on there. The command squad they showed is just the baby version that lasrifle tercios can take so hopefully there's a full command squad coming. That was a beautiful kit in resin. I'm also hoping for some real veteran models for the companion units.
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