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Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
Senior Economist journalist Helen Joyce going full mask off here. Caution, this clip is genuinely disturbing.

https://twitter.com/joss_prior/status/1532431478461804544?s=21&t=kfB0S6r6YYCwBRClI0WF-A

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Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Angepain posted:

yes he killed a king we already know this

Also a fuckload of Irish people, which raises some awkward questions.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Guavanaut posted:

It worked out much better after WW2 when we humiliated the ideology instead, removed it's symbols, destroyed it's altars.

Give Putin an out where he can blame the whole thing on Kyrill and Dugin and hang them upside down outside a garage.

Problem is that Russia has one of the largest nuclear arsenals in the world. There is an extremely hard upper limit on what anyone can do to the country and its government.

This is doubly unfortunate because the whole incident creates a cast-iron case for global nuclear proliferation as the only truly trustworthy defence against imperialism.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Tesseraction posted:

Reminds me of my mentor at my last job when I asked if he was voting Labour in 2015 (I was wavering between Greens and Labour because I'm a swing constituency) and he said he's not voting Labour because "they've got loving Ed Balls as chancellor"

Wes Streeting is the Ed Balls of Starmer

I'm not sure this applies because Starmer's actual chancellor is, if anything, worse than Streeting. Rachel Reeves should be one of the strongest arguments against letting Labour anywhere near power.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
https://twitter.com/thekafkadude/status/1534663593295241216?s=21&t=tmC0TPlS1-3859_wxp3WSw

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
Jesus Christ.

https://twitter.com/paperwhispers/status/1534529948790280192?s=21&t=tmC0TPlS1-3859_wxp3WSw

For context, the Wellcome Trust is the UK's main scientific research charity, and the fourth-richest charity in the world (its current net worth is just below thirty billion). It typically spends a billion pounds on scientific grants and other charitable activities per year.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Guavanaut posted:

Disaggregating figures for Black researchers given funding would reveal that his name is Paul and he went to school with one of the directors.

Incidentally, I did some rough maths based on the percentage of the UK population that's black and the median pricetag for a research grant. In a world of perfect racial equality, the Wellcome Trust would be giving out an average of 90-100 grants to black scientists per financial year. That seems a fair distance above the threshold required for anonymity, no?

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
David has been miring himself in spectacular levels of dictator-adjacent corruption just like his hero Tony. Ed is a minor member of the current shadow cabinet who's trying to put a positive spin on the fact that everyone around him holds him in contempt and nobody listens to him.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Guavanaut posted:

It'll be a grift but one that goes from lottery fund to their personal accounts via the medium of hateful poo poo promotional packages sent to schools.

"It's okay to be gay and also a bigot."

IIRC, there's heated debate within the LGB Alliance over whether it is, in fact, OK to be gay.

https://twitter.com/aidanctweets/status/1482321758808309761?s=21&t=F--CnKFttSyR71qDbeRXzQ

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
https://twitter.com/siennamarla/status/1535574974496395264?s=21&t=fgf_rVyhGqw_Zf19pfCRVg

The Beatles surely couldn't have known that they were writing 'Nowhere Man' about someone who was then two years old.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

NotJustANumber99 posted:

They're buried in one grave?

Saved them from figuring out which twin should get which headstone, I guess.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
As someone on Twitter pointed out, carrying out a conversation is a function that does not necessarily require an actual, conscious intellect behind it. Your vacuum may be good at sucking up dirt, but that does not in and of itself mean that it derives joy from it.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
I think it's safe to assume that the Scottish independence movement will undergo a gradual shift towards becoming more radical and militant in the coming decades, though, if only because they want to go and Westminster isn't going to say yes unless they force them. A rogue referendum may not accomplish anything, per se, but it and the corresponding Westminster backlash feel like inevitable and necessary parts of that process as the independence movement builds support and legitimacy for more radical action.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Failed Imagineer posted:

I see the EU is back to suing the UK now. Wonder what will happen when the EU makes a summary judgment and the UK says "no, to the contrary" and continues setting constituent parts of itself on fire.

Sanctions, quite possibly.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Failed Imagineer posted:

One would like to think, but we'll see.

imo it's kind of a shame that the EU can't decide beforehand on a schedule of sanctions that will apply if the UK does or doesn't do X, and then when the Tories force their hand by doing X² they can just say "loving told you so". But of course, the EU is terminally decorum-poisoned and addicted to looking like the good guy ( at least when dealing with constituent member and ex-member states)

Greece?

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Ash Crimson posted:

They are not actually marines

Well, they are, but they're a lot of other things as well. Ship-to-ship boarding actions in space battles are indeed what they're most perfectly designed for.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

crispix posted:

lool if boris's ukraine trips become too predictable and he gets captured by lukashenko's henchmen

Why would they want him any more than anyone else does?

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

OwlFancier posted:

Are there really three avon rivers lmao

It's derived from the Welsh word 'afon', which means 'river'. So yeah, you'd expect several to have that name.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
Meanwhile, the slow-motion collision between COVID-19 and our hideously creaky welfare system continues:

https://twitter.com/dailymirror/status/1539164599286747136?s=21&t=DKrL4yqv8XKtI-lmWfODNQ

The repercussions from this will be huge.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Brendan Rodgers posted:

The US military had no real objective beyond protecting poppy fields. If you are fighting over actual objectives, then your guerillas will not take them in open battle.

Guerrillas don't do open battle, by definition. They simply make a state ungovernable until state power starts eroding and defecting. It's been highly successful around the world in modern times against militaries just as advanced as America's, and the USA has excellent geography for it if the population does choose to remove its consent. Yes, it will be insanely gruesome, but that doesn't in and of itself mean that a total victory for the state is preordained. At the very least, I reckon you'd see some quite successful regional secessionist movements, even if the places that end up seceding are wildly unpredictable.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

radmonger posted:

Making the state ungovernable _is_ the ideology of the US right. If there is a potential road to political victory that leads through bombing health clinics and schools, it is not the left that is positioned to take it.

It's the ideological means, not the ideological end. It's a useful toolkit for minoritarians who want to carve out influence away from the majority (or for corporatists seeking to impose less democratic and more oligarchic power structures), but it's less useful if you have grander ambitions for the overall control of the country (say, in order to quash nationwide insurrections), and the Republicans in those circumstances would choose to discard it just as they always do whenever military matters become relevant. Equally, it would then become a useful tool for any prospective insurrectionists against the federal government, regardless of ideology.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
It is a bit annoying that it's generally only the Catholic space fascists who get the 'yes, this is an awful faction run by awful people, but here's a nice, relatable protagonist stuck inside the system for you to cheer on' treatment.

Give us some Chaos-worshipping freedom fighters battling against 'the cruellest, most bloody regime imaginable', people.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

OwlFancier posted:

That's a bit hard when one of the chaos gods is literally the blood god. If the other guys are the bloodiest regime possible then that's aspirational.

The Imperium is very much set up as a decaying, mundane mirror to the forces of Chaos - terrible repression versus terrible freedom. The parallels between servitors and Chaos Spawn are a particularly obvious example. If Chaos-worshippers can reach greater depths than worshippers of the Cult Imperialis, then they should equally be able to reach greater heights.

This also fits with Nemesis the Warlock, one of the early inspirations/sibling works for 40K, where the protagonist is an alien chaos sorcerer inspiring a rebellion against a racist, tyrannical human empire. He's himself a bit of a selfish, callous jerk, but he's also absolutely a force for good and a creator of genuine heroes.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Tarnop posted:

I assume the papers are sitting on their lockdown booze pictures of Nandy, Streeting and any other empty suit that might get pushed

I feel like there are considerably more depraved stories about Streeting that the press could be sitting on. Maybe the 'burning down a pet shop' thing actually has legs beyond vague Twitter rumours?

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
https://twitter.com/bat020/status/1542444875240689665?s=21&t=YsHEtQrBjTrGjSJDG_bd9Q

lol Starmer.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

forkboy84 posted:

Scotland wins again. We're going to get default independence because England melted

Joke's on you, you're going to come out of this with England permanently welded to your underside.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

The Question IRL posted:

So if you read comics enough you very often hear about this weird philosophical debate amoung fans (and it sometimes shows up in the stories themselves.)

"Why doesn't Batman* just kill the Joker**? Since he doesn't, the next time the Joker goes on a killing spree it is really Batman's fault."

It's a terrible argument for a number of reasons*** but one of the main points it misses is how it's a judgment being made by the reader on another person's moral action but refusing to take on any of the responsibilities associated with it.

Basically, it's really easy for a reader to say "I would simply kill Boris Joker because I know he is unrepentant and will never change." But it ignores how Batman makes a decision based on what is in front of him and takes on the consequences of the situation in front of him.

You made a decision to help a human who was in trouble and that is to be commended. It didn't deserve some type of second guessing then, and it doesn't deserve second guessing now. Regardless of what the person you saved does with their life, you did something that was objectively good.


*= Oddly some people replace the names with Spider-man and the Green Goblin, which makes the whole thing even more tenious. Since Norman is bad, but not that bad.

**= It also fails to take into account how when you deal with a seriel media, death isn't a permanent end. The Joker might just escape from the afterlife even more powerful. He might shift back to a prankster who performs boner-related crimes. You can only work with the framework that is in front of you. And in our real world, that means having a very limited time frame to make choics with limited information and just dealing with said consequences.

***= Mostly people who argue this think that they are engaging in some grand morality play. Since they think "killing people = mature."

Which Green Goblin? Because the one in the comics is genuinely probably worse than the Joker - he's got a Jekyll-and-Hyde thing going on, except that the two settings are 'stable psychopath' and 'unstable psychopath', and he's arguably a greater spreader of misery when he's a corporate apex predator than when he's jumping on a glider and throwing explosive pumpkins at people. Dude's one of the biggest arguments in Marvel for the virtue of political assassination.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Jedit posted:

So where do we think Badenoch's supporters will fall? Truss or Mordaunt?

Truss has been placing herself as the far-right unity candidate. Apparently, she, Braverman, and Badenoch were in talks about merging their campaigns, so there's a chance Braverman will now endorse her.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

The Question IRL posted:

The Tory membership are that meme of the guy with two buttons in front of him only the buttons say
"Support foriegn Man"
And
"Support White woman"

And they are always sweating.

Eh, after May and Thatcher, being a white woman isn't too insurmountable as an obstacle in a Tory leadership race.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Paperhouse posted:

Labour at least has some MPs that are good. No Tories are good. A Labour govt would theoretically have a slightly harder time passing heinous poo poo through parliament

Not if it just makes those bills bipartisan. Starmer's Labour would be far more likely to court the votes of Tory MPs than those of the few actually principled members of the SCG. In some ways, you'd be increasing the likelihood of regressive legislation being passed by giving Labour full license to whip for it.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Looke posted:

in this case we should just never vote labour then and allow the tories to rule indefinitely?

The point is that Labour in its present state isn't an alternative to the Tories, but an extension of them. Yes, it is possible and reasonable to extrapolate from this that Westminster as a whole is more an obstacle than an asset to an effectively, humanely-run country, and that we should seek to build the power of structures outside it in order to bypass it as much as is possible. Unions have been doing a pretty good job of proving their worth lately, for instance.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Looke posted:

I'm not sure political theory is that comforting to the general public who are being rinsed of all the salary and savings, and having to decide who gets to eat tonight. But I guess as Labour are a dead cause then we may as well stick with the devil we know :shrug:

If you're poor and destitute, I think it is quite useful to understand where you can gain the best results for yourself by investing your limited time, energy, and resources. At present in the UK, the answer seems to be with extraparliamentary organisations like the unions, since parliament tends to range between being indifferent and actively malevolent towards you and it's nice to have someone in your corner against it.

The idea that Starmerism is the best present hope of the poor and destitute seems far more hollow, cynical, and divorced from reality than what anyone else in this thread is saying.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Looke posted:

Great, until the Tories further restrict union rights

the Scottish political landscape is no better than the English with the SNP being Tory-lite

That's why you want to expand and popularise the small-l labour movement, yes, in order to make anti-union laws more difficult to implement and enforce without a damaging public backlash against the government. We have evidence from around the world and across history that unions don't just magically vanish as soon as politicians decide they don't like them. You seem to be operating under the assumption that effective opposition to the government can only come from within the Westminster system, when recent evidence appears to suggest the exact opposite. See also, Marcus Rashford and Mick Lynch being vastly more effective public advocates than Starmer.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
On-topic, and worth a bleak lol:

https://twitter.com/cityam/status/1547832309717426176?s=21&t=zRzauBsPfMyQBreTRaO-ZA

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
I don't think it's accelerationism per se to abandon Westminster and focus your efforts elsewhere, simply an acknowledgement that Parliament doesn't have (and shouldn't have) a monopoly on meaningful political activity. It's how we create accountability and protect ourselves and our interests when elected politicians go rogue.

Honestly, Parliament (or, at least, the dominant culture/ideology within it) has radicalised itself and insulated itself from consequence so hard that I think you can make a stronger argument for electoralism being accelerationism. It's extraparliamentary activism that offers more realistic prospects of damage mitigation and progressive policy.

Darth Walrus fucked around with this message at 11:34 on Jul 15, 2022

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Pistol_Pete posted:

We're seeing this exact same argument over in the USA, between people who agree that the Dems are dogshit but that it's ultimately a choice between them or the Republicans and people who think that there's no point at all in voting for a "Things still get worse, just a bit more slowly" option and want to build something different. Dunno if this is just an Anglosphere thing or whether there's similar tensions in other Western nations too.

Of course, I'm not sure you can even make a solid case that Starmer's Labour will slow the rate at things get worse. They do seem to genuinely share all the meaningful elements of the Tories' ideology.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
FPTP's protection isn't infinite, though. If Labour continues to shrink into a weird little ultra-exclusive cult while screeching that it's everyone else's fault (highly likely), then other political forces (chiefly extraparliamentary, but also eventually parliamentary) will gradually supersede it in power and importance. See also, ScotLab.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Spangly A posted:

Putting all of my pet beria's "whipping discussions" on the blockchain

Not the kind of nonce they asked for.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

He's lost my vote then. Can't believe a real man of the people who fancies a job as PM would be seen without a pint in his hand.

The terrible dilemma of a man who has been informed that whisky is too Scottish and whiskey is too Irish by his latest focus group.

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Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Spangly A posted:

It does not. It is a pro-deccan film. The film ends with a montage of Deccan revolutionaries and one of the male leads is very explicitly not even Hindu.

This came up in the pop culture cspam thread and the take of multiple Indian posters was "it is very stupid to think any reference to Hinduism in pre-independence India is Hindu nationalism"

BJP politicians tried to get it banned for having the koyapunem maoist character shown in muslim garb

Yeah, it goes for a very inclusive form of nationalism. They even include a British character (the love interest for one of the two leads) who goes above and beyond the call of duty to help out the Indian rebellion.

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