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Herstory Begins Now posted:It's wild and very telling just how many people fit the broad strokes of individual 6 Slight typo, it wasn't conspirator #6. It was actually б, where б equals the set of all conspirators that fit the loose description given.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:A Jewish reporter for The Forward (Jewish magazine) doing the hard-hitting journalism that we need. That's totally out of context Rudy did say only that Why are you assuming that was 100%, no more no less, of what was said?
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Aug 3, 2023 00:02
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Honestly, I'm just surprised he managed to make it out of the courthouse before he violated the order.
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InsertPotPun posted:they clarified later that that was a mistake and shelved that argument I think there's little chance he flees from prosecution, and it is a weak conclusion. Conviction on the other hand, better cuff the fucker within seconds of the jury's verdict or he'll be halfway out the door.
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Aug 10, 2023 04:26
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Scapegoat posted:Isn't the general consensus that the secret service won't let him flee? You hear how many of them are very pro Trump but I don't think that means they'll throw their lives away by letting him go or fleeing with him. No President has tried to flee the country under their watch. We've been dealing with one insane, unprecedented event after another since the escalator event. So I think it's quite fair to not count on the Secret Service doing the right thing. Joe Biden's dog doesn't trust them, and I know who the certified good boy is in that situation.
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Aug 10, 2023 07:39
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I doubt he'll be successful, however I'm fairly sure he'll try. The problem is that the MAGA and sympathizers are spread wide and I wouldn't be surprised at outside help. It's the typical Trump scheme, where everything will go absolutely clownish or improbably succeed. It's the second possibility that we should worry about.
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Aug 10, 2023 22:40
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Shooting Blanks posted:I don't see Trump fleeing. It makes him look weak, it makes it more difficult for him to get the attention he seeks - and where would he go? Russia, China, Saudi Arabia, and the UAE are the only countries without extradition treaties that I can see him going to. And if he does, all of his assets in the US will be immediately seized - so now, not only does he not have the spotlight any more, he's lost a ton of his wealth. He'll only try and run in the period where he's waiting for sentencing and he's already lost the election. It's not going to be a well thought out and intricately crafted plan. It'll be because he doesn't see a way to avoid consequences, and believes that naturally the people in whichever country(Russia) love him and will support him. 100% he'll try and spin it as a strategic retreat in order to come back and win. Not caring at all that such language is some Napoleon poo poo that will only ad fuel to the fire. His yes men will tell him it's great, while there's a mad dash to grab as much gaudy poo poo laying around and run.
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Aug 11, 2023 00:40
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Main Paineframe posted:The primary check on the pardon powers is supposed to be impeachment. If the president is credibly suspected of being involved in serious crimes, then this would theoretically be politically unacceptable and he'd be impeached and replaced, losing the presidency and his ability to pardon people. It's not a perfect remedy (he'd still theoretically be able to pardon himself and his conspirators before the impeachment actually finishes, preventing further consequences), but if he wins despite all the crimes he's charged with then the basic checks and balances have broken down. One of the major issues with our dumbass system is that it was crafted by a bunch of guys who refused to admit that parties/factions might be a thing in the new government. Despite all being members of parties/factions. So we're safe from Virginians banding together to rule over the rest of the states, but a bunch of dudes from different states covering for each other makes the system act like a Star Trek android dealing with a logical paradox.
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Aug 11, 2023 14:34
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snorch posted:Well you just disqualified yourself buddy because the jury selection will definitely inspect your something is awful account. While I do love the idea of the Defense asking jurors if they have stairs in their house, it's probably going to be much easier for a leftie to sneak through than a chud. We have the advantage of not being publicly pro any of the two parties candidates for at least a decade or so.
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Aug 13, 2023 11:04
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The main problem with trying to put out anything but the loosest of odds for elections of any major party candidate is the nature of our system. Either a Democrat or a Republican are going to win, so no matter how poo poo or fantastic a candidate their odds are going to be pulled towards 50/50. Especially since Biden is no FDR/Eisenhower. So long as he is running as a Republican, Trump is going to have disturbingly high odds of actually winning. Being a loser, being indicted/convicted, being so onerous that his very existence drives Dems to vote as hard as they can for anyone but, these are all things that drive down the odds of a second Cleveland. However, so long as he's the Republican nominee he has a shot.
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Aug 14, 2023 04:03
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Try 1996, when Bob Dole was a walking proto-meme. Bob Dole talked in third person about Bob Dole and became a spokesman for Viagra. Unless he did the Viagra commercials a year or so after he lost and my brain is just compacting things so it remembers an election between Mr BJ and Mr Blue Pill.
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Aug 14, 2023 05:00
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Charlz Guybon posted:WTF, look at this coin These Franklin Mint commercials are getting wild.
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Aug 14, 2023 13:31
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As terrible as all these idiots are, and as terrifying as their behavior is, at least they nearly all seem to be oddly honest. It's kind of nice that the cohort of unhinged wackos seems to have agreed that when confronted with their actions they shouldn't ever deny doing it. Instead the preferred reaction seems to be to proudly and defiantly channel Samuel L Jackson from A Time To Kill, followed by confusion over why no one is clapping. Then later in court it's all just variations on a defense of, "How was I to know [clearly illegal thing] was illegal!?" Being convinced that you are a member of the silent majority, unjustly held down by the vocal minority seems to be terrible for everyone but the prosecution. KillHour posted:That's fair but even if the page count was 1/100th of that, most people couldn't afford it without selling everything they own and probably taking on student-loan amounts of debt. I think the main thing here is that almost all of Trump's post 2012ish crimes are of a nature where you pretty much have to be able to afford the lawyers if caught. A poor guy isn't inciting an insurrection with a side of vote tampering. As such it's not comparable to the costs involved in an everyday Joe(non-Biden) caught up in the system. As such you can't really accurately use it as any sort of baseline, no matter how you handicap it, for what a normal person would be going through. Our system is poo poo and, as with almost everything in our Acolytes of Mammon Nation, far too expensive. This just isn't really a case to springboard off of into a discussion of unfair costs to the defendants.
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Aug 18, 2023 07:02
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OgNar posted:Trump went on a shitposting binge earlier The Republican caricature of Biden is so much better than the Onion's. Too bad we can't get the full open border, radical socialist, mad Dark Brandon experience.
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Aug 18, 2023 07:17
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It's OK because it's Trump in the sense that no one in history has so exhaustively chronicled their own MYCRIMES.txt as Donald J Trump and his team. You've got to include all the various times they just tweeted it out, held a press conference about it, shot their mouth off at a rally, hot mic'd the situation, recorded it in an interview, yelled it out, or otherwise took notes on a criminal conspiracy.
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Aug 18, 2023 09:01
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Main Paineframe posted:People are laughing about it because "oops, my MyCrimes.txt is 10 million pages long" is the very definition of a self-inflicted injury. It's like if you gun someone down in broad daylight in front of a thousand people, and then complain to the judge that hundreds of eyewitness interviews are too much to go through in discovery. To be fair, I'm also laughing at the idea of putting price tags on all the costs for Trump's Defense like it matters if the bill is $0 or $10 Billion. Trump isn't getting a real rich guy defense. He's getting a bunch of crazy people who think that they'll be the one person that ol' Donnie finally pays. It's a clown car of criminals and incompetents. An actual public defender' office would almost certainly field a better team.
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Aug 19, 2023 01:23
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Nieuw Amsterdam posted:This is defending a former President against charges of trying to overthrow the government, and of major national security violations et al. Even if he did pay and didn't turn his lawyers into co-conspirators, the man is mentally/physically incapable of shutting the gently caress up in a case that is built nearly entirely off the previous instances of him not shutting the gently caress up. Fighting a historic lawsuit, even with long odds, could probably entice some good fame hungry lawyers. An impossible case, where the client just keeps criming, while refusing to allow any defence that doesn't paint him as the greatest, most beloved man in history, is far less enticing.
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Charlz Guybon posted:You can make those numbers work in a vaccuum, but in real life he lost by 4.5% in 2020 and lost 306-232 He's not going to have a consistent drop/increase across every state in any scenario. In the hypothetical mentioned he would just drop his winning percentage slightly in states he won last time, drop it bigly in states he's got no hope of winning, and slightly win the few states he needs to then get over 270. For instance, personally pissing on every Californian isn't very likely to change the EC tally, but it'll for sure massively suppress his vote in California which will drop his popular vote tally by several percent.
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BiggerBoat posted:I'd hate to mock these people I remember my friends and I used to joke that we'd know we were old when Tupac and Biggie were part of the rotations of the Classics/Easy Listening stations. Turns out we were wrong. It was when what appears to be a 55ish year old woman insists Tupac is alive and deep cover MAGA. Guess Reagan's war on mental health was just one hell of a long game.
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Tenkaris posted:No, absolutely not Why don't you want to see the government crush
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deoju posted:Musk isn't a "natural born citizen," and Constitutionally can't be president. Nothing says you have to be legally eligible to be President in order to run for President. I say let him go hog wild on a 3rd Party bid. Make Perot look like an unseriousness cheapskate.
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The Question IRL posted:I'm sorry, am I missing a joke here? Or was there a subgenre of Rap of songs that referenced Donald J. Trump? Before the escalator broke reality, Donald Trump was equivalent to Lifestyles Of The Rich And Famous. Gaudy consumption was his thing, and that's also big in Rap so he got name dropped often. Remember, that in popular culture he was famously rich and nobody really knew about the fact he was actually just too broke to fail.
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Nitrousoxide posted:I think pretty much everyone realizes it's a loving dumb system. But the power holders are disinclined to try to change it because it's the system they got into power with. Mostly it's that fixing it takes effort, and the system has only not worked the same as you would expect 5 times. 3 of those times were in the 19th Century. Of course the other two are Bush and Trump, so half the politicians absolutely don't want to change it. BiggerBoat posted:Well that doesn't really explain anything. Technically the Electoral College is there to prevent some demagogue from winning the election. It's to steal the election from the dangerous guy who tricked all the dumb voters into voting for him. You know, stop a Trump(assuming he was popular).
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Probably going to get another lawyer to cross. Or we get a spectacular sound byte. Woodward: If you're telling the truth now, then why did you lie in your interview? Witness: You told me to lie.
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V-Men posted:"And the proceeds will go to my legal defense?" A generous 95/5 split.
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My only complaint, other than he's a terrible piece of poo poo, is that now that I've learned his first name I keep having the urge to boot up Morrowind.
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Scratch Monkey posted:
So a Bail Bondsman, a Publicist, and a Pastor walk into a bar...
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OgNar posted:Trump needs to produce a girth certificate. Obviously a long form girth certificate is required for this.
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ummel posted:That was my understanding. That the 10% is forfeited to the bondsman as interest on the bail loan, basically. If you skip bail, they can send the bounty hunters after you and turn you in for the bail from the government. Gonna be one hell of an episode of Dog the Bounty Hunter.
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pthighs posted:I'm no big city publicist but that mug shot seems like it will have a repulsive effect on anyone who is not an absolute MAGA diehard. And, unlike a lot of news, everybody in the country will see it in the next few days. The Mug a shot isn't doing any more damage than the 90+ indictments already have.
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ummel posted:https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1694886846050771321?s=20 You'd think they would include some sort of qualifier to at least imply he isn't guilty and swearing an oath to never stop criming.
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The Question IRL posted:One of the other things that people find astonishing about US prison sentences is that they can just add consecutive sentences up until someone gets 237 years. How do you propose to run a Suicide Squad if we aren't shaving time off centuries long sentences?
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Charlz Guybon posted:Smith is still investigating and questioning people The investigations must not end until one or both Thomases join The Indicted.
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yronic heroism posted:Most of these sentences are probably more like 2-10 years, depending on when Republicans regain the pardon power. If Trump doesn't win next year, they're never getting pardoned. Even then it's iffy on Trump actually doing anything for them. However if Donny loses this time, his hold over the party will be gone by 2028. And it's not like he has an actual protege who will continue his legacy. It's just all grifters trying to steal his grift.
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Morrow posted:Like it or not, disqualifying Trump now would be very damaging to our democracy. Yes he absolutely should have been but the proper avenue was the impeachment proceedings back in 2021. If he is legally disqualified because he's found constitutionally ineligible, that's hardly damaging to Democracy. It's not like anyone is making up laws or inventing crimes to keep someone off the ballot. Crime guy crimes is his own fault.
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yronic heroism posted:Hard disagree, it’s about pandering to the base who absolutely want these guys let off. For both Trump and his imitators. They want it now, because it's happening now and Orange Daddy is ranting about it. Even if he wins, Donnie isn't likely going to be talking about Jan 6 post-November. Win or lose, Donnie doesn't give a gently caress about anyone convicted. So if he loses, who is going to keep the matter in the eyes of the chuds? If Biden wins, the focus of the RWM and the Q faithful is going to be on how whoever is running on the Democrats side is actually double extra Dark Brandoning. Even if Trump runs in 2028, he's not going to mention Jan 6. So if Trump doesn't win this year, nobody's getting pardons because nobody running is going to either give a poo poo or get any points for doing it.
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BiggerBoat posted:So...if a few states succeed in removing Trump from the ballot, where do all the conservative minded "states' rights' types find themselves? I know that the answer is "Certain States Are Soros Tyranny" while Oklahoma, WV and Nebraska and Mississippi are glorious wonderful FREE STATES but, still. They won't do anything but use it as a further example of evil liberalism. Regrettable, despicable, and wrong but nothing to actually do anything about. Alabama or some other way out of Biden's range state will probably try and counter disqualify Biden in a snit. Which is where it'll end because there's no way that actual swing States have enough concentrated anti-Trump power to actually follow through with removing dickhead from the ballot. Meanwhile deep MAGA states wouldn't just remove him from the ballot even if the Supreme Court agrees he did an insurrection in violation of the 14th.
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Dubar posted:I was never his attorney, but I did lose my ability to practice law based on my legal activities on his behalf .. ? He worked for John Barron, and that guy told him all Trump's secrets.
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Shooting Blanks posted:Excuse me, I've seen legal procedurals, all the lawyer has to say is something along the lines of "We just found this" or "This just came to our attention" It's called the Matlock exemption. DA's hate it.
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