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cat botherer posted:You'd think they'd be either: That's not how americans think, alas. We are very much the gently caress You Got Mine society and that extends to virtually all expressions of culture.
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Taney was doing what he thought would save the union- he thought if he made the fugitive slave law a matter of settled law, it would simmer down tensions. Unfortunately, the court decision very much said that it was illegal to make slavery illegal in any state- at least, that was the implication. There was another case coming that would have really put the decision much more clearly. Taney thought that it would be difficult to have slaves in a state where it was opposed anyway, in a de facto way, thusly the compromise state could to some extent be maintained, but now the people would stop arguing about it. In fact it ended up inflaming northern opinion considerably, adding to the messaging about "Slave Power" and such, which was a sort of melding of nativist paranoia and abolitionism, turning more know-nothings into Republicans and solidifying the country's divides further.
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Jun 21, 2022 20:44
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Flying-PCP posted:The whole premise underlying this post is predicated on either the extremely hypothetical possibility of a labor party somehow rising in the US and winning elections, if we can just stop voting for democrats enough for the party to die out, or the concept of a revolution rising up because... democrats cant afford to put out propaganda to pacify people? I guess?. Framing their decision as "willing to accept" anything because they don't value one of these hypotheticals over not being in jail, is extremely gross. It's very much a weird politics of pure vibes. If you get yourself hopped up on internet-sponsored anger, it will overcome any problem, obviously. 1. Stop voting 2. Dems end up limited more strictly to enclaves, or maybe not, whatever, they fail ??? 4. glorious communist party rules the USA wooooo Which is, even if you read how Lenin won, not even close to how things went down, or really any of the others.
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Jun 26, 2022 18:26
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Also the stupid vision that socialism is how you win appalachia will never cease to be hilarious to me as every time a socialist or even anything close runs here in west virginia they get washed by guys like manchin in primaries and rando republicans in real elections. This is the political acumen of "historical materialists"
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Jun 27, 2022 14:22
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Lib and let die posted:Bernie never was pissy about it, and that's one of the things that's turned a lot of his former supporters into what amounts to jilted lovers - when the party sent the assemble signal to Centrist Voltron, Bernie just kind of...let it happen, and treated the entire thing as though it was all above board and they were all friends there with differing ideas. Anyone with a loving speck of pattern recognition in their repertoire of cognitive tools could see it unfold in real time, but Bernie never broke kayfabe. Ah, yes, the natural state of things is an 11-member primary all the way through. Anything else is 'centrist voltron'.
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Jun 29, 2022 18:27
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Lib and let die posted:This isn't a refutation of anything I stated, it's just a lovely, snappy comeback. You didn't really say anything substantive, other than "it's obvious this was a coordinated ploy and completely illegitimate". I simply said that it is not a conspiracy when candidates drop out of a primary, especially that crowded a primary.
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Jun 29, 2022 18:28
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Lib and let die posted:https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/politics/2020/03/06/inside-the-3-days-that-remade-the-democratic-primary/ So, people had conversations and then doomed candidates dropped out of a race, endorsing the remaining candidate they felt aligned most with them. To get back to the original point, i'm sure it would really have resonated with people to say "no, Pete Buttgieg needs to stay in the race at all costs, otherwise this is an illegitimate primary, it was rigged."
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Jun 29, 2022 18:36
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:There was not much of a cohesive ideology within the parties and as a result, you had a lot of "bipartisanship," but there was a clear majority in American politics for a center-left economic plan with very conservative social policy and racism. The ideology and votes just sorted themselves differently than through partisanship, but it was still there. Tons of popular things were killed in congress because that coalition had outsized influence in the Senate (sounds familiar...) and leadership positions in both parties in the House. Yeah, the Civil Rights Act of 1964 doesn't actually pass in a polarized party system. While the democrats had a supermajority, Lyndon Johnson relied more on republican support. The "Bully Pulpit" and that guy he leaned over in that picture didn't really get him anything. Pelosi's probably right that it would be a lot easier to govern if the parties had less discipline in their voting habits, but it's obviously an attempt to complain about the senate without complaining about the filibuster or its procedure in general.
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Jun 29, 2022 19:00
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TheIncredulousHulk posted:The Civil Rights Act passed because they were scared of more riots, not because of reasonable bipartisan compromise lol This is a largely unverifiable assertion, but what is verifiable is that the CRA votes happened along geographic lines, mostly, rather than along party lines.
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Jun 29, 2022 19:15
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TheIncredulousHulk posted:You can verify it by examining a calendar and doing a small amount of critical thinking I was, in fact, referring to the 1964 CRA, though the voting patterns of the 1968 CRA were not that different. You're right that there's more evidence behind that as why the '68 CRA passed than there was for '64. Though, honestly, the political dynamic of weak parties contributed it to being able to pass by enough to defeat filibusters. There was not a strong enough consensus in that congress, however, for, Johnson to get rid of Taft-Hartley, where the Republican support was much more lukewarm and the southern dems had hardened against any kind of cooperation on labor issues.
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Jun 29, 2022 19:52
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:1) The Senate deal involved more revenue than what Boehner had been willing to offer. Obama then asked for Boehner to match the revenue raised in the Senate bill and came back with a new counter offer. Boehner says he tricked him after getting him to take so much heat from his party only to walk away and demand more. Boehner says that Obama knew about the Senate negotiations, but kept negotiating with Boehner in secret to kneecap him. If you read between the lines, I think what this comes from is Boehner really wanting to be the man here- he kinda portrays it as a selfless desire to try to get things done but i think he's on team 'it has to be me' which is why he characterizes his Republican opponents are climbers, which is fair. Honestly, it's good reading.
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Jul 19, 2022 15:02
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I mean, I can understand not watching the hearings because live things like that are rarely all that entertaining outside the highlights but it does mean you're getting your information curated by someone else. I sometimes listen to UN Security Council streams on youtube, which kind of have a similar appeal, because sometimes you get to hear the Russian dude spout novel bullshit, though it's usually the TASS line. I mean the unstated thing here is basically, the greater engagement in politics means people want their political media and entertainment to increasingly be similar. Panzeh fucked around with this message at 12:35 on Jul 24, 2022 |
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Jul 24, 2022 12:32
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Epic High Five posted:So am I understanding this right, and what happened was: From what i understand, it was a sharing accident with a dropbox, and lawyers, especially the kind that you get after you've fired like 10 others, are not very proficient in any kind of cloud storage.
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Aug 4, 2022 10:51
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In the US, it's mostly political catholic academics trying to espouse that position, but i think the mainstream of American thought, at least on that side, is that capitalism serves well as a way to discipline people into doing the socially correct choices, and any affront to capitalism is just helping with the de-virtue-ization.
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I got my student loan debt cleared, i'm pretty happy about that.
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