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BRJurgis posted:Reporting in from the northeast: yesterday I was mulching outside a bank (which was closed as teenth was on sunday) and got to hear five or so people exclaim "what the gently caress" finding it closed, and then further "are you loving kidding me?!?!" upon learning about juneteenth. It was hard to keep my mouth shut, but I do have to have some sense while wearing company colors. Exact same thing in the South East. I didn't know the banks were closed myself and ran into a few people spouting similar sentiments to the ones you heard when I went to go in. What a dumb thing to get upset about. There's, what, two Holidays honoring black people? MLK and this one? For a race of people who built this loving country for free and against their will.
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FlamingLiberal posted:Jesus Christ Can't take down an 18 year old kid and too scared to even try while armed to teeth with tax payer funded weapons. Blue Footed Booby posted:It'll be interesting to see how that one plays out. It will presumably reduce smoking, but will it lead to an uncontrollable black market? I kind of wish they would and finally force my dumb rear end to quit since nothing else works but, AFAIK, the nicotine isn't itself isn't all that dangerous. It's all the other poo poo. And like someone else pointed out, I could easily see a black market underground criminal solution popping up to solve this. Prohibition, as we know, doesn't work too well and people are gonna drug so I don't know either.
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TheIncredulousHulk posted:It does seem useful to help make sense of a situation in which Biden is out there saying "a recession isn't inevitable" while the Republican Fed chair he could have replaced eyes the big red Volcker Shock button What's not useful (or accurate) is this narrative and repeated idea that all of our problems are being caused by poor people earning too much money and I'm loving tired of hearing that god damned poo poo and feeling like I have to vote for someone that believes it just because the other side are literal fascists. Get us back to the 90% upper tax bracket and let's just see how things might shake out, you loving pundits and experts. We've been cutting taxes, bailing out and subsidizing the wealthy for so long in this country, we've forgotten how prosperous we were when we did the exact opposite of that. It's really tiring. Sure, Joe. Sure The Fed. Ok, Joe Cramer. Right. The POOR people took all the loving money. The gently caress out of here with this poo poo when all of us our being bled out for basic needs like food, transportation and energy - never even mind education or health care costs. Give more money to cops and the MIC but blame the weak and powerless for the state of things. Good job.
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Fritz the Horse posted:If Trump is still alive and marginally functional in 2024 he's either going to run for President or they're going to have to find some way to appease his ego which, good luck. It's pretty clear what he actually wants to do is travel around holding rallies and also internationally being fawned over by world leaders. He could kinda do that as VP but I doubt he'd accept as that is explicitly a subordinate position to POTUS. Trump would never agree to be VICE anything. His whole deal is being the center of attention and The Most Important Guy
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I wonder what the road to tobacco and nicotine legalization would look like if they hadn't existed until now and some company came out with them last week? Like, pretend, RJ Reynolds never existed but just yesterday came out with this burning smoke stick that injected tar into your lungs. Or if a black guy invented it. I'm against most forms of prohibition and think that public education about smoking and its dangers has worked really well. Pretty sure that smoking in the US is far lower than most other countries so mostly I'm in favor of keeping on doing that as opposed to possibly creating a black market or criminal ring around it. I dunno... ... Its so crazy. I'm 55 years old and remember people smoking on airplanes, in movie theaters, HOSPITALS, waiting tables with smoking and non smoking sections, my parents and grandparents smoking in cars with the windows rolled up and even smoking in the house. I still (stupidly) smoke but now I might as well as be a leper, and rightfully so.
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FlamingLiberal posted:As a Floridian I am extremely concerned about a DeSantis run. He's relatively careful about his appearances, but he gives the base all of the red meat they want, between completely absurd laws that get overturned in court (but he gets to brag about passing them) and also playing to right-wing media. He's arguably worse than Trump in terms of policies but much smarter about how he deal with the media. It's concerning because in 2020 Biden basically got elected because the right-leaning suburbs couldn't stand Trump so they voted for Biden. But I don't think that would happen if DeSantis runs. He's definitely going to use the Youngkin playbook of pushing culture war poo poo (which is most of what he does these days), while also dragging the Dems for the economy. He also has a similar cult like and fanatical following, at least in the state of Florida. I see all kinds of flags and stickers worshiping him in similar ways. I like to visit flea markets to save money and, dear god, they're rife with this right wing poo poo. T-shirts, guns, banners, flags, stickers, posters. Rednecks talking poo poo. I feel quite confident saying we're getting either Trump or Desantis in two years but will cede that where I live may not be a barometer for the entire country. I'd consider otherwise if for the fact that we have to run on Joe Biden and all his kick rear end accomplishments. Pretty sure we're going to continue taking hard right hand turns though.
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FlamingLiberal posted:I'm skeptical Biden is the nominee in 2024, the way things are going. And I'm not even factoring in the obvious age issue. Who do you think then? To my eyes, we don't have much of a deep bench to draw from. I don't see anyone we can run that would excite anybody and am hard pressed to think of a name.
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FlamingLiberal posted:
You didn't watch The Simpsons back then?
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Someone brought up reservations as a work around and I had a really stupid idea. There are tons of "casino boats" where they sail out to international waters and then they're allowed to legally gamble. SLots, blackjack, the whole deal. I don't know the logistics of setting up a hospital environment on a ship and the concept of an "abortion cruise" is obviously a non starter but it was something that popped in my mind. No idea how that could ever work though. Maybe just smaller yachts that can be set up for the procedure somehow, head out 5 or 10 miles offshore and then perform the abortion? Far fetched I know and, of course, would be very VERY expensive but I DO think it's an actual way to circumvent the law. BiggerBoat fucked around with this message at 15:01 on Jun 25, 2022 |
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Willa Rogers posted:Pretty sure that these were used as a way to provide abortions in Ireland (boats, not floating casinos) before the country legalized abortion. RIght, I wasn't suggesting using the gambling boats, just the idea of reaching international waters Rigel posted:I think there is actually a group that literally does that for nations which ban abortion. Interesting. Of course, this doesn't help women who are landolocked in red states and I know it's a wild idea but full on Vegas st;e gambling is allowed on those casino boats and they aren't governed by gambling laws once they're like 10 miles out to sea or something so it was just some thing I thought of and wondered if there might be a loop hole there.
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Bar Ran Dun posted:This is a thing already I think. Yeah, someone else posted a link. It honestly surprised me because I thought it was such a weird out of the box idea and that I was being an idiot. Again. Have Some Flowers! posted:The end of public education, Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, NLRA protections for forming unions, anti-discrimination laws, child labor laws, minimum wage, protections for national parks and other public lands. The EPA, the FDA, the CDC, the Consumer Federal Protection Bureau. This is how I'm feeling more and more and agree with just about all this. The future I see is akin to basically everyone being and Amazon warehouse worker where everyone is wearing a diaper because they never get bathroom breaks. Health insurance is essentially useless because of high deductibles and you get demerits for taking time off to even see a doctor, people work so many hours with so little contact with the news (assuming the new is even vetted and accurate) that they know very little about issues and even they're inclined to get involved simply do not have the time. Good luck finding time to go to school to get a slightly bigger paycheck. Or even being able to afford higher education of any sort. If you have a kid, a commute, a full time job and anything even slightly resembling a health problem, your free time is astonishingly small. In a cell phone driven world where more and more companies deny access to devices of any sort during work hours and you get, at best, two 20 minute breaks and a half hour lunch to catch up on 50 text messages, phone calls and emails (many of which are spam, cons or FROM YOUR JOB), good loving luck tending to that or hashing out a conversation with a doctor, insurance company, bank, mechanic, pest control guy, cable company, airline, accountant, car dealership, lawyer, a spouse or anything that needs your attention during regular work hours. I LOVE taking my 10 minute break and dealing with 22 text messages and emails or trying to reach my shrink. Break over. "They" want or require everyone to be so busy, overwhelmed, uneducated and under informed that "they" can sort out and control the rules in backrooms, during long lunches, ski trips and on golf courses while the rest of us toil in the mines. Not working is not an option. Working for yourself is BARELY an option. Unions? Lol. Having everything in your pocket and done through your phone doesn't do anyone any good and isn't convenient if you're not allowed to use it 8 hours a day and don't text and drive. Sorry for the 
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cat botherer posted:I held my nose and voted in 2020, and I was probably wasn't going to in 2022, but now that's a definite. I have a tendency to break down and vote at the last second because of my conditioning, but I think that's over with. Same, unfortunately I got heavily involved with Obama's 2008 campaign, got one look at his cabinet and decided I was done with that poo poo and felt...ripped off I guess. I worked pretty hard for Bernie and really didn't want Hillary. We know how that went. 2020 was exactly as you described. I grew up in Delaware and know more than a little bit about Joe Biden and what he represents but I was prepared to vote for anyone instead of Trump. Except now, if I'm being honest, I don't see how things would really be all that different if Trump had beaten Biden. I really don't. And I can't honestly argue in good faith that he wouldn't have done a better job. That's hosed up. Only thing I ever really got for my trouble donating to and volunteering for the Democratic party were endless solicitations asking me for money and free time they loving well know I don't have and a ton of email spam and physical junk mail. If it's Trump v Biden 2: This Time It's Electoral, I just might sit out the first election in my lifetime - mid terms or otherwise. I'm 55 and have voted in every election since my first ballot for Dukakis. I'll probably still vote for ballot measures and local seats but just write in myself for President. There's a reason I've been a registered Independent all my life and it's always been because neither party really represents me, my values, nor my priorities - not even tangentially - and the idea of one being slightly better/less worse than the other has never been particularly inspiring. I've always voted and I usually vote Democrat FWIW. The dems could have had some balls and gotten in front of UHC, gay issues, legal weed, voting against the Iraq War and any number of things that took even an OUNCE of courage. Courage they do not possess or foster. TL/DR: Probably no one cares but the OP struck a chord with me
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This seems bad and reflects what a lot of posters here are saying as well. I'm genuinely not surprised. https://apnews.com/article/2022-midterm-elections-biden-covid-health-presidential-e50db07385831e67f866ec45402be8b9 More than 1 million voters switch to GOP in warning for Dems WASHINGTON (AP) — A political shift is beginning to take hold across the U.S. as tens of thousands of suburban swing voters who helped fuel the Democratic Party’s gains in recent years are becoming Republicans. More than 1 million voters across 43 states have switched to the Republican Party over the last year, according to voter registration data analyzed by The Associated Press. The previously unreported number reflects a phenomenon that is playing out in virtually every region of the country — Democratic and Republican states along with cities and small towns — in the period since President Joe Biden replaced former President Donald Trump. But nowhere is the shift more pronounced — and dangerous for Democrats — than in the suburbs, where well-educated swing voters who turned against Trump’s Republican Party in recent years appear to be swinging back “It’s more so a rejection of the left than embracing the right,” said Smith, a 37-year-old professional counselor whose transition away from the Democratic Party began five or six years ago when he registered as a libertarian.
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:How many are doing it to vote in the GOP primary because the democrats aren't running anyone? In my red part of Colorado the democrats basically don't run anyone for many positions, and if I want any say I have to vote on the GOP ballot for primaries. Hard to say really but the article did touch on the idea
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Agree again about the Democrats' problem with messaging and that the GOP is much better at it. The RWM/GOP approach is the same as any other ubiquitous company or product like Coke, McDonalds, Budweiser, etc. who spend millions of dollars to remind people that they exist on every Super Bowl. Why? It's just repetition and it's that simple. This poo poo crawls into your head whether you realize it or not, even for people who go out of their way to avoid ads. The GOP is consistently able to frame issues this way - sometimes subtly and sometimes aggressively - but the point is that they succeed this way through things like word association and simple framing. They also keep it loving simple most of the time. The things that the democrats (ostensibly) stand for are almost all quite popular as well as being on the correct side of most issues and shouldn't require a downloadable 3 page pdf to explain. This is politics and marketing. Advertising 101. It has to fit on a bumper sticker, be catchy, repeated constantly and have a chance to soak into the conversation, which will eventually effect framing and the overall narrative. I think a lot of it has to do with the relationship between salespeople and political affiliation. I don't think I've ever met a sales rep who was a democrat; or at least a successful one. Republicans seem to have their eye on the prize, have no shame, are generally unified and disciplined in their message and seem to understand that they are SELLING SOMETHING. This is just one of the problems with the DNC but it's a big one and I wish they'd work on it. Especially when they're right. It should even be an easier sell when it's popular, true and supported by facts but my god do they ever suck at this.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:agreed but i think part of the issue is the Dems/progressives has a different audiance then the GOP and the GOP has had almost 50 years of frying their bases brains on an industrial scale to the point that it is starting to hurt them because actual true believer psychos win the primaries and have way harder times in generals. dems and progressives are like hearding cats or that religion joke about sects and hearecy. most people agree on end goals but not on how to get to them or what the end goals entail. so its alot harder to make a coherent message. my view is i am just tired of the leader shipliving in the late 70s both in age and time period. Maybe. And i get some of what you're saying but still think you can boil things down to their essence and fit it on a banner or a t-shirt. At least for the most part. But I see what you mean where, with Republicans, you just have to stick a flag on it, hand someone a bible and talk about how everyone should shoot a gun and you've got 80% of the party right there. Throw in tax cuts and you're up to 90 or 95. USA USA USA is pretty basic and they've commandeered the idea and what it means to be a patriot. Or a christian for that matter. Thing is though, left leaning policies are broadly popular and supported - even among Republicans when they are worded the right way. Even something as innocuous as "politically correct" is essentially just encouraging people to, hey, try not to be a dick to people every now and then but the GOP has framed it as censorship and an assault on free speech just because comedians should maybe try not to call people f**s or ch***s or something peppered with a lot of "how come black people are allowed to say the n word" bullshit. I overhear it constantly from people bitching about how comedians aren't allowed to be funny anymore and "you can't say anything!" and I don't offend easily but I'm not gonna go to bat for some of Eddie Murphy or Sam Kinison's poo poo from the 80's anymore, even though I find both of those dudes funny. Sorry. That post was kinda all over the place
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-Blackadder- posted:I feel like Republicans have spent so much time as the opposition party, where many of their positions are just culture war topics they use to rile people up, without ever having to face the consequences of how people would react in real life if they ever actually implemented those positions. Guess were about to loving find out then. And they'll still blame all the consequences and undesirable outcomes on the weakest, the poorest and the voiceless. Which is bascially over half the country if my math is right. The GOP has convinced their voters, over decades, that the POOR people have taken all the money - again, through messaging. Or advertising. Whatever you wanna call it. It's rather impressive when anyone with eyes can see that all the money and rewards for hard work continue to rain upwards.
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TheIncredulousHulk posted:Or, hear me out, Biden could simply just not do a deal that involves getting peanuts in return for he himself personally legitimizing a Federalist Society psycho right after that org just successfully overturned Roe Biden is out dated and the wrong guy at the wrong time; fully unequipped to deal with the vast array of modern problems we face on basically any issue. It's really frustrating because, to my eyes anyway, Obama was naive and in over his head, yet campaigned on the right things, but Biden doesn't have that excuse and it's kinda the other way around where he views things and how problems get solved as the way things used to be. You'd think he'd loving know better and you'd imagine that Obama might have picked up on the idea that you can not work or compromise with these people after at least one term. But here we are. Biden is going to go down as one of the worst presidents within my lifetime on his Jimmy Carter 2.0 speed run but without any of Carter's basic sense of decency and knowing what was right. Joe Biden is not going to do a loving thing for anyone and the entire country knows it.
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:Jimmy Carter speed run? Really not getting the comparisons between Biden and Carter. Granted Carter was before my time, but from what I've read about the guy he seems like he was on the right side of history on most things and was sure as poo poo less evil than the guy who came after him (Ronald "let's ignore AIDS and destroy unions" Reagan). Pretty much yeah. There are differences between Biden and Carter (and I like Jimmy Carter a lot more than Biden) but I'm old enough to remember how things were under his term, even though I was a kid, and they're rather similar to how things are now. High gas prices, inflation, coming into office after a scandalous and corrupt administration/impeachment, an energy crisis and a whole lot of poo poo that Carter couldn't handle. At least he had a modicum of decency about him and I wish he'd had more time to implement some things he wanted to do (like weening us off foreign energy supplies and things like that) but he was a very unpopular president and ultimately begat Reagan and all the poo poo that went with that. There are a lot of similarities I think with Biden/Carter and I'll get into it if you want me to. Kanos posted:People compare Biden and Carter because both of them are milquetoast Democrats whose administrations were both besieged by runaway inflation and a host of crises that they completely failed to coordinate effective responses to. Something along these lines. Gas prices and fuel shortages got so bad in 1978/1979 or so that you could only fill your tank on odd/even dates depending on your license plate and the lines bled out into the street. Meaning if your license plate ended in 3 you were only get gas on odd numbered dates. I LIKE Jimmy Carter. I like him a lot but his years in office were really bad and he was about as ineffectual as Joe Biden but maybe for different reasons BiggerBoat fucked around with this message at 01:36 on Jul 2, 2022 |
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haveblue posted:New York has passed their updated gun laws, so now that you can get your concealed carry license actually performing concealed carry has gotten much harder, especially in New York City. Oh no! What about my freedoms to carry a hidden deadly loaded weapon with me everywhere I travel? How the gently caress am I supposed to enjoy a movie, a meal or survive a trip to the grocery store knowing that I can't shoot someone if I have to? Such tyranny.
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Cimber posted:also don't forget that the GOP has specifically targeted school boards and other small government bodies as the next battleground. They want to have th GOP agenda presented in every facet of American life. And this also projection yet again because what they'reselling the public is that schools want to indoctrinate kids when that's exactly what they want to do.
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BRJurgis posted:Call me a doomer, but does anybody see anything changing significantly for the better anytime soon? Nope. Not in the slightest so call me a doomer too. Anyone with the power to fix anything wouldn't really want to and anyone who wants to lacks the wealth and control. People have been talking about late stage capitalism in these threads for a good while now and, to my eyes, that's what this is. I guess one can argue that we've been through worse with the Great Depression and poo poo like that but I don't see another FDR or even an Eisenhower on the horizon. Half the people I meet and talk to strike me as utterly insane and, for whatever reason, the people that ascend to the highest office in the land are Joe Biden and Donald Trump. Not real inspiring. Is this the best we can do? If I have any hope at all it's that, eventually, things are going to get SO bad that we'll basically have no choice to do things like UHC, UBI, free college, nuclear power and things like that but about half the country is against "handouts" because it offends supply side Jesus and the other half thinks that nuclear is bad. We're in tremendous trouble right now and the anger and frustration is palpable everywhere I go. The bad mood is thick. And people ARE willing to work (despite what we're told) but they're stuck on a loving treadmill where all their money goes to rent, food, car payments, doctors, etc. in ways that always trickle UP. I have to hope that, eventually, the higher ups and the ones running the show will begin to realize that their wealth means nothing if we don't live in a functioning society or pay people enough to be able to afford the poo poo that makes them all rich in the first place but it looks to me that it's just greed and every man for himself all the way down. They can't put us ALL in prison or even function with waves of homeless people roving the streets. More jails, fewer schools, people going broke with medical bills, broken infrastructure and ever rising rents because capitalism. ... I also think that RWM has done irreversible damage to the national discourse and poisoned people's heads, many of whom are being elected to office.
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Rigel posted:He has the awful stench of the loser stuck onto him now. Primary voters are going to want to win the election. What Trump is for or against doesn't matter, Republicans aren't shy about abandoning their losers. Trump also has this bizarre political cult following the likes of which I have never ever seen. I can't think of anyone who lost an election that still inspires millions of people to fly huge flags with their name on them and walk around in silly red hats. Occasionally, one might see a Romney of McCain bumper sticker here and there but nothing like this hero worship I see with Trump. I don't know what the flat percentage is for the true amount of these people but it's pretty high (at least around here) and simply astronomical for a person who was actually beaten in an election. Of course, they don't think Donald actually lost, so there's that, but still. The ones on board with Trump absolutely worship that moron.
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Axetrain posted:Trump pulled off a surprise win when everyone was expecting President Hillary, which is probably why they have latched on to him to such a degree. Being a huge loud rear end in a top hat is a big plus in their eyes. Also like others have pointed out the loser stink isn’t really there since they’ve convinced themselves the election was robbed from him. But...I thought the 2016 election was rigged too? Or did the democrats just lose so badly that all the fraud didn't matter? Also, when we were rigging the 2020, how come we forgot to rig the Senate and the House? Seems like a huge fuckup there if we're going to commit all this Soros fraud. E On what planet is Hillary Clinton a "change" candidate besides being a woman and not being Joe Biden? Come the gently caress on. Also, some of these probes being handed down lately are really loving weird and arbitrary to me. Makes me hesitant to post anything. BiggerBoat fucked around with this message at 02:02 on Jul 5, 2022 |
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Yinlock posted:On the Pence'd thing let's not forget that Trump is an undisputed master at convincing people he works with that they're singularly special and definitely won't be thrown under the bus the millisecond something goes wrong, unlike every other person he has ever worked with. He might but no way it works the other way around with Donald as VP. He's already sat in the catbird seat and found it very much to his liking. I could see DeSantis parlaying a single second term of DJT into a nomination 4 years out. He's relatively young, would certainly carry FL and it might set him up for the next 12 loving years. AFAIK, the only thing he's done to piss off Trump is not automatically kissing his rear end on every issue, which might be enough to turn off Donald and some MAGA voters, but he's never implicitly called out Trump for any bullshit that I recall.
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Nessus posted:Yah, I remember thinking the noise machine was kind of flummoxed when Obama got the nomination for a similar reason; they were fully armed and ready to blast Hillary and then some friendly-looking black dude got the nomination instead. True. That whole "anyone but Hillary" rallying cry didn't last long once it got out that Obama was a Kenyan Muslim Socialist with no birth certificate but, like you said, that took a little while.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Biden is giving Denzel Washington the Presidential Medal of Freedom. Oh Well, that ought to straighten a few things out that effect most of us then. Such as...uhh... Glad Biden has got his priorities straight. I was really worried there for a minute about Denzel Washington's level of fame and recognition for being a singularly talented, rich, generationally talented actor who has enriched my life through his performances. That's a real load off my mind, Joe. I like Denzel Washington a lot too. Let's all take a moment during these troubling times to focus on the pressing issue of how awesome he is because for a second there I almost forgot. I'm gonna go watch He Got Game and celebrate this moment while I dodge debt collection phone calls from doctors and max out my credit cards to pay for gas in order to get to work. BiggerBoat fucked around with this message at 21:06 on Jul 8, 2022 |
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Pretty hosed up that someone with the last name "Cheney" is now considered the template for a moderate reasonable Republican when 15 or 20 years ago that name was synonymous with fascist warmongering demi lich. We've come a long way. And by long I mean terrible and tragic. loving Liz Cheney is is the benchmark for a god damned moderate Republican. Their family has done more to gently caress this world and this country up than just about anyone I can think of. Now here we are.
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Kalit posted:Do you think she carries the responsibilities/actions that was committed by her father? I don’t know if she spoke out of approval/disapproval/whatever, but I think it’s kind of weird that you seem to be condemning her because of what her father did. From what I know about her, her opinions and political beliefs align pretty well with her dad's. If I am mistaken, someone please correct me.
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Kalit posted:Then post about her and not her dad. I thought I kind of did but allow me to clarify. It's really difficult to discuss Liz Cheney without her father coming up in the conversation and I only invoked his name in that sense. I was trying to frame my comment around the idea of anyone named Cheney somehow now being considered reasonable or moderate in any sense whatsoever as a way of demonstrating the Overton window shifts within the party itself and the modern perception of it. If Don Jr. becomes VP in 10 years or something, any conversation about him is likely to reference his dad. Similar to the segues into W Bush's father when he was in office or how often Bill Clinton would be mentioned in any discussion of Hillary. See also: the Kennedy's. These are generational political families with long legacies in government and none of them exist in a vacuum nor entirely stand on their own merits. And yeah, OK, maybe I should have been more clear that Liz is essentially as reprehensible as her old man (her intolerance for Trump's brand of GOP bullshit aside) and I pointed out examples a few posts down; but I mistakenly wrote as if the thread would automatically assume that and already knew a lot about her. My point was she loving sucks and just because she draws the line at violent insurrection and false claims of election fraud isn't enough to distinguish herself from the mountains of horrible bullshit her family has been responsible for over decades. Especially her horrible monster of a dad. Apple/Tree, etc.
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Blue Footed Booby posted:Has either party ever given up on a president so completely that they abandoned an incumbent who wanted to try for re-election? Jimmy Carter was primaried by Ted Kennedy.
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I'm no defender of Joe Biden but if this inflation and all these rising prices are happening everywhere - in practically every country - how come all I hear is that all of this is somehow Biden's fault? If it were only happening in the US then yeah but this is pretty much global.
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Jul 14, 2022 16:27
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I'm kind of idiot about these things and honestly wonder what specific steps Biden could take or might have taken to help this; both domestically and globally. I don't accept that the direct covid payments and expanded UEI are to blame in any significant way.
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Jul 14, 2022 17:06
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DeathSandwich posted:It was asked several pages ago in this thread why Democratic leadership wasn't trying hard to discipline Manchin, and I think the above is telling as to why. Manchin gets to be the dedicated fall guy to take the heat off of all of these other democratic congress critters who want things to die and not be personally held accountable. I don't think it's that calculated within the DNC so much as it's just the way things are for Dems, especially those elected in red/purple states. There always seems to be one, going back to even before Lieberman. But I don't think they sit there and ponder legislation with an eye towards specifically blaming a blue dog for why things don't get done. I just think they're weak, ineffectual, begin every negotiation with a compromise and are afraid to use their power when they get it. Also, they like dangling promises down the road for the Next Most Important Election Ever cycle that I've been hearing since I was 18 to drive voter turnout. Our bench is...empty right now. I don't see anyone on the horizon that's going to inspire anyone. Maybe there's another Obama in the wings somewhere who has yet to deliver a compelling speech or some poo poo but, even then, Obama talked a good game but turned out to be just another guy. He had me for a while and I was very excited to work on his behalf and vote for him. For my trouble, I got a ton of emails and junk mail asking me for loving money and a cabinet packed to the brim with the architects of the 2008 housing crash. Nothing done at all about the travesty and lies surrounding the Iraq war nor the banks that hosed over nearly the entirely globe.
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Jul 15, 2022 17:29
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Ghost Leviathan posted:That bench is empty by design, the party establishment spent decades going scorched earth on it to clear the way for the chosen, and has no way to react when they doesn't work out. The whole apparatus is still not really over how we're supposed to be in the victory lap second term of President Clinton. Maybe. But Barrack Obama was basically nobody until he delivered a king hell bitch of a speech at the DNC that genuinely spoke to people and that I personally found incredibly moving and resonating. For the first time in a long time, I heard someone (who I had never heard of) speak to the priorities and ideals that I myself held and I think a lot of other people did too. His charisma and oratory skills were exceptional, but were the exception not the rule. If the bench was empty by design, I doubt he could have beaten Hillary for the nomination but I'll concede that I might be missing something and also realize that the party mechanism worked rather hard to stomp out his candidacy. I think the overall thing, really, is that the Democratic Party is, for the most part, rather centrist and even conservative. That's hardly news here though. They just get labeled far left radical liberals because their opposition mostly consists of people who support theocratic dictatorship and Montgomery Burns clones so anything to the left of that is European Socialism. There is no political party that supports (very) popular left leaning ideas like M4A, stricter gun control, abortion rights, affordable education and a whole bunch of other things I could list which poll very well when they're not framed or worded using terms that Americans have been conditioned to hate.
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Jul 15, 2022 17:47
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Blaming "the left" for not moving the democratic party into a more progressive stance is a hard sell for me. I'm very hard left and so are a lot of my friends. We're dead broke. I work two jobs (and freelance) and many of us raise kids or commute an hour to work as our rent increases. We're not rich political donors but we get out and protest, sometimes knock on doors, vote in primaries and often write our congressmen. Not entirely sure how or why mainstream democrats not embracing and running on the overwhelmingly popular ideas that Willa posted is our fault.
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Jul 15, 2022 19:49
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A big flaming stink posted:https://twitter.com/USFWS/status/1547929557986029570 Good idea. Yeah I'll make sure and do that when I'm not at either of my two jobs, freelancing or tending to my healthcare visits while the tires on my car wear down and my odometer hits 195,000 miles bird food bathtub posted:How many times does it have to be shown that what voters want means precisely zero point dick, while the wealthy class gets legislation they want basically at their whim, before the arguments that we need to keep working on voters finally dies the ignominious death it deserves? For me? Zero. Zero more times. BiggerBoat fucked around with this message at 21:49 on Jul 15, 2022 |
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Main Paineframe posted:
I don't think I did but maybe. So sorry if I did. My question was maybe along the lines of how, exactly, that can be done when most people who vote democrat are for all intents and purposes, basically powerless? What, should I constantly espouse the virtues of far left thinking at my job, knock on my neighbors' doors about it and ruin every party and family get together I attend with my altruistic insights of far left policy? Post harder about it on FB or something? Craft some Super Posts here in D&D that resonate to the rafters? I can't compete with the RWM machine, its money, its reach and its influence no matter how much poo poo I talk, how true it is or how many letters I send and most people are, plain and simple, worn out and overworked in general and with politics in particular. I can't even reach people within the party I usually tend to vote for among the circles I frequent. I'm not shy about sharing my opinions when the subject comes up, defending my positions or the reasons why I think the way I do but I'm not Martin Luther King over here either.
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