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Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

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FlamingLiberal posted:

As expected, SCOTUS takes another hammer blow at the Establishment Clause

https://twitter.com/scotusblog/status/1539254884670877696?s=21&t=aSXY0NvaHzheX594Y8uCSQ

Tweet is misleading about the decision, which really annoys me because scotusblog is good. It does cite Espinoza which is more sweeping and more like what the tweet says. The actual decision is regarding Maine's rule where "non sectarian" religious private schools can receive tuition assistance, but sectarian ones cannot. The Roberts decision is that they can't do that, they need to either prohibit religious schools from receiving the money (whereupon Espinoza precedent comes up again but it's not clear what the court would rule) or allow sectarian ones to receive it as well.

The liberal dissent is along the lines of "yeah Espinoza isn't completely pants on head insane but you're applying it wrong and Maine's legislative discretion is clearly enough to let them do this", which is probably more correct than Roberts' take.

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Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

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I guess if you have "religious instruction" carry a whole lot of weight the tweet might be technically accurate

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

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FlamingLiberal posted:

The 8th Circuit ruled against a man who had sued a state saying that forcing him to sign a pledge not to boycott Israel does not violate the 1st Amendment.

https://twitter.com/juliabacha/status/1539673632062013446?s=21&t=_VlQaXPYfWmTrEnesmTn7w

The particular law here is who cares, it's a toothless pledge. The decision appears bizarre. Conservative judges elsewhere have laughed at these laws so maybe scotus will too.

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

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BiggerBoat posted:

Who do you think then? To my eyes, we don't have much of a deep bench to draw from. I don't see anyone we can run that would excite anybody and am hard pressed to think of a name.

The president before last was a black nobody until his dnc speech and the dark horse in the 2008 primary he won. The number two contender in 2016 was an ancient Vermont socialist who'd never run for president before. The number three contender in 2020 was the gay mayor of the fourth largest city in Indiana whose name starts with 'butt'. I am not convinced that a deep bench is vital, nor that "there's not a clear left up and comer in the US media" means there won't be (or perhaps even that there isn't currently one).

and that's without getting into Trump tier upsets like President Matthew McConaughey

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

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syntaxrigger posted:

I saw this in my feed. Would this be an actual helpful thing biden could do or is it just someone being pithy on twitter?

https://twitter.com/kurtbardella/status/1540376534065758212?s=21&t=EyX6OXD51-g62ipLEiWblA

would protect them from federal charges but not state charges so no, not really

maybe if you're worried about the gop managing a federal ban

Also, if I recall correctly, the president can't issue class based pardons. He'd need to sit down and hammer out all 200 million or so a la McAuliffe.

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

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pardoning specifically some abortion doctors near or in red states would be a relatively low wasted time DO SOMETHING option though, so i guess I'm for

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

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haveblue posted:

Didn't Carter pardon the class of Vietnam draft dodgers?

Uh, hm. You're right, my recollection was flat wrong. Okay nm, guess he should do it.

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

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Barreft posted:

We're all going to be dead or wishing we were by 2040 so I dunno why people are acting like we have time to change these things.

you are completely wrong

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

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some plague rats posted:

Isn't the whole "leave the country" thing just unbelievably privileged nonsense and completely out of the possible reach of the people who are actually going to be effected by this? Remember when Bush won and all the rich white libs were about to move to Canada, and we all dismissed them as idiots, and did any of them actually do it? What's different this time around?

Ditto even for "the oppressed classes should simply leave red states lol", as should become immediately obvious when there's recently been a spotlight on how many women are completely dependent on charity to leave the state just to get an abortion. Uprooting your entire family, job, and life is probably harder than that.

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

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XboxPants posted:

DACA, Paris Agreement, didn't Biden revert some Trump era anti net neutrality stuff? To be fair I haven't kept up with all the tangles of that issue. One issue that becomes apparent is that, while Democrats do actually do things, they aren't as big as we want. For instance, the recent executive order to prevent federal funds from being used for conversion therapy. Like, okay, that's good, and Republicans probably wouldn't have done that, but it's not something I can get excited about or brag to people about to try to motivate people to vote dem.

There's also the element where any democratic president in the modern day has spent more than half their effort restoring the federal government after Reagan or Bush gutted much of it or Trump gutted every last non-evil agency. "Our government is once again capable of a semblance of functionality" is important, good, and not exactly the sort of thing that makes these lists. Unless it manifests as something more immediately visible like daca, or Biden's minimum wage improvements, or what have you.

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

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Lassitude posted:

I get the feeling she heard about cyclic vomiting that some people can get from weed but wanted to make it sound super duper scary, so added "screaming" to the signs for some reason. Either way, lol. From someone who worked in a busy Canadian ER post-legalization if anything I feel like we had fewer instances of severely drunk assholes who got hurt while drunk than any increase in cannabis-related stuff, but maybe that's just me being hopeful.

which reminds me, i need to see what economics studies are saying post-legalization, because there was increasingly strong evidence from various forms of decrim (and of alcohol regulation) that most users, most of the time, will treat alcohol as an inferior substitute good to alcohol

and aside from making me happy i can use 100-level economics words in a context where they're actually useful, turning a portion of problem drinkers into terminal weedheads would in and of itself be enough practical reason to legalize the pots

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

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Epic High Five posted:

No, only a relative handful of people alive today have ever actually been permitted to vote for President, that spot on your ballot is basically a change.org petition that gets sent to the person representing your area who actually gets to cast the vote.

Primaries are their own thing and run entirely in house to whatever rules the parties like.

edit - I should specify that this is very much a macro level analysis of it and the nitty gritty is about as insane and convoluted as you'd imagine it would be in the core of a nation in decline

notionally, somewhat like the senate, electors were designed to prevent an authoritarian buffoon from being swept to dictatorial power on the back of a populist wave

how well that went is left as an exercise for the reader

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

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Willa Rogers posted:

I didn't claim that an increased minimum wage had to be the "highest" political priority; only that it was an example of something politically popular that was spurned by Dems.


I don't think it's reasonable to argue that the Biden administration spurned increased minimum wage. They, or at least a faction therein, are demonstrably willing to raise the minimum wage for everyone they can through executive action, because that's exactly what Interior and Labor did.

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

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projecthalaxy posted:

This seems like a big thing? Like arresting and hauling off 17 congresspeople seems a little abnormal for someone to do? Was it the Supreme Court police, DC, who?

E: congresspeople don't have any sort of diplomatic immunity or whatever right?

Other people more or less answered, but congresscritters have limited arrest immunity... as long as they're going to, coming from, or currently in the Capitol (or their adjacent offices?). This clearly does not apply when they got together to go protest the Supreme Court.

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

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Gripweed posted:

The government counts rape victims as part of the "men who have sex with men community"?

Short answer, yes. Longer answer, a man who was assaulted once and has no other sex with men should check the box when it comes up and get a battery of STI tests, but a portion of the CDC's recommendations would be low-value or irrelevant since they're not a regular part of the 'MSM community'.

Sex workers and sex work adjacent men sexin' men, on the other hand, are definitely part of the Men Sexin' Men community and are a major target audience for STI information generally and monkeypox information specifically. Reaching out to these groups is unironically something the CDC should be doing.

this isn't exactly what i was looking for, but clinician guidelines for men sexin' men: https://www.cdc.gov/std/treatment-guidelines/msm.htm

the thing I was actually looking for, some MSM-facing factsheets and whatnot: https://www.cdc.gov/std/life-stages-populations/msm.htm

the success story at the bottom of the second one is kinda cool! CDC contact tracing et al doing its job in a syphilis outbreak in Alaska

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

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Cpt_Obvious posted:

I wonder if that drop in institutional trust is related to the administration's claims that the gay community is spreading monkey pox?

unlikely, given that the survey was several weeks ago and twitter only got mad about monkeypox statements more recently than that

Probably has more to do with massively prevalent anti-vaxx nonsense and other, earlier impacts of Trump wrecking the federal workforce.

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

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BiggerBoat posted:

Oh goody. Everyone feeling real inspired?

https://news.yahoo.com/poll-reveals-democrats-want-presidential-011524727.html

New Poll Reveals Who Democrats Want on the Presidential Ticket in 2024


How are we so loving BAD at this running against people like Trump, W, Romney and McCain?

feel like this is another poll that's actually just asking about name recognition, plus Biden 's bad D approval

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

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cat botherer posted:

Weird how ITT most of the queer peoplehave one opinion, and most of the non-queer people have the opposite opinion.

Posters are not required to inform you of their sexuality before they're allowed to have a valid opinion.

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

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I don't like caring about soundbites. I am not inclined to care about soundbites. When I was made aware of this particular soundbite by the internet uproar, my immediate gut response when I actually read it boiled down to "...that's it?"

I've interacted a lot with people who probably shouldn't be communicating directly with the general public if it can be avoided, like engineers and bureaucrats. The logic that went through her head seems fairly obvious to me, because she's a bureaucrat and also a longtime public health professional who's used to talking to scientists, bureaucrats, and other nerds.

- It is vitally important to convey information about this outbreak to the MSM community and anyone adjacent to it. Yes, this includes gay parents. it also includes 'straight' men who sex men, who are often a high risk group because they often keep their sexual activities secret from people close to them

- I have just been asked a direct question so I will simply state the basic facts, because I am poorly equipped to communicate directly to the public. Surely this won't be a big deal.

As Fishbot has been banging on about, the solution to the immediate incident is simple and boring: shuffle more of her public communication duties to a spokesperson / spokespeople, because they're good at it and she's not. Also make sure communication on this specific topic is immediate and clear, but from what I've seen of the CDC's website etc, that's actually already been done. So that's good.

The CDC absolutely has to communicate with MSM-adjacent groups, though. It's not viable to pretend either that the community isn't currently the overwhelmingly main at-risk community, or that transmission outside of that community is impossible. That second one was tried the last time we had a pandemic that initially targeted the gay community, and I seem to recall that not holding up particularly well in hindsight. Fortunately, the CDC appears to be pursuing a policy that is precisely the opposite of Reagan's HIV policy.

E: adjusted a phrase on request

Goatse James Bond fucked around with this message at 23:54 on Jul 31, 2022

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

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mawarannahr posted:

Speaking of soundbites and watching one’s words, please, please don’t call men who have sex with men “men sexing men.” This turn or phrase sounds incredibly rude and dismissive especially for but not limited to people who have diminished agency in having sex with men and people who do it for work.

a reasonable argument, i can't help reading it that way because it sounds funny but i'll be more respectful because i'm sure there are more people sensitive to the language

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

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Gumball Gumption posted:

I do think they're messaging would of been better if they had said people who have multiple sex partners. That's what makes you more susceptible to STDs. While it's currently mostly MSM contracting it right now if sex is the most likely vector than people who have multiple sex partners will be the most likely to bring it into other communities. You cover who is at risk without targeting the specific community that happened to get this first. And that broad messaging doesn't mean you can't also do targeted messaging to the most at risk community.

While this gets into some complicated stereotypes about the gay community, it doesn't seem unreasonable to me (unless a medical sociologist or somebody tells me otherwise :v:).

Here's a CDC thing I don't remember seeing posted before: https://www.cdc.gov/poxvirus/monkeypox/reducing-stigma.html which seems decent and is directed more at public health officials to advise them on communication. you know, like the cdc director

It looks like they're advising framing it at a national as a health crisis that could impact anyone, while still pursuing individual high risk demographics. Criteria for vaccine recommendations do seem to include multiple sexual partners as a heightened risk (presumed contacts with one sexual partner who was diagnosed, or with multiple partners in an area where monkeypox is detected). I don't really have a take on how this interacts with other messaging.

Jaxyon posted:


There are zero people here arguing that the threat should not be communicated to the MSM community.

Who are you arguing with that doesn't understand that?

i felt like i was more discussing than debating here, because i thought the topic of what the cdc should do or is doing in a larger context was interesting

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:

The alex jones trail is going about as well as would be expected

https://twitter.com/5DollarFeminist/status/1554177876760662016

there's a very enjoyable rubbernecking thread in gbs: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=4008312

and RGD's knowledge fight thread is of course supplemental material: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3990450&pagenumber=39#lastpost

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

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If you're in a place or business where reactionaries have a substantial majority, making a big fuss about homophobic remarks or whatever might well put you at more risk than the bigot. Source: am Texan

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:

Trump couldn't decide which Eric to endorse so he went with the chaos option as always.

https://twitter.com/JacobRubashkin/status/1554227979168976898

what's funnier is how predictable the chaos is at this point.

Predictit is currently burning to the ground because there were bets on who Trump would endorse and this is obviously going to a ridiculous tiebreaker.

e also that is a respectable called shot

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

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bird food bathtub posted:

My main source for "gently caress Alex Jones" happenings is Knowledge Fight. Seems people are getting info from somewhere else. Anyone got some links? Because gently caress Alex Jones I want to see the dumb shithead squirm if he's actually going to take the stand.

gbs has a good thread for the trial, although some of it is derived from Jordan's ongoing livetweets

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

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Can we, please, stop discussion of whether coup is the correct term? There's more interesting stuff being talked about, including by the very people squabbling about this particular terminology.

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

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Cpt_Obvious posted:

Because that is what inflation is. "Inflation" is when businesses raise the prices of goods and services in order to increase their profits.

Economists like to frame it as the devaluation of money because that is a framework that is very favorable to wealthy business owners. It turns it from a profit-driven decision clearly the fault of greedy corporations into some sort of economic "natural" disaster. Like an earthquake that nobody could predict or control, but with money.

However, if it were true that inflation were just the natural course of money becoming less valuable, then wages would rise at the same rate as prices; but that is almost never the case. For example: wages have only raised about 5% this year, while CPI inflation is nearly double that. So really, wages have fallen relative to prices.

You are correctly identifying that current cpi increase (which is the more important of the obvious inflation metrics) is almost entirely supply driven and largely greed driven, and extrapolating to all inflation everywhere. Your argument basically excludes the idea of the money supply existing, which is... inaccurate.

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

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I'm also not fond of the sleight of hand in

Some economists are being shitheads about current cpi -> all economists / most economists / economists as a group "like to say" the money supply exists and can drive inflation -> because The Economists are trying to protect capital -> the obvious conclusion is that... economists have nothing worth saying about inflation? :raise:

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

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some plague rats posted:

:qq:

Do you earnestly disagree with either of my conclusions there? Do you think I'm wrong, or is it just that you know what I said is true but that truth makes you feel bad?

You do not actually need to spring into action when you suspect someone may be feeling a moment of happiness or hope. But also, you are basically wrong about Alex Jones.

The compensatory damages in this trial (that i am rounding mentally to 4m) are, broadly, reasonable. I would be surprised if even under normal circumstances they were substantially reduced. The punitive cap seems to be either 750k per plaintiff (1.5m) or 750k per plaintiff per offense (4m ish), and under normal circumstances a jury judgement starting at 40m would be somewhat unlikely to not hit the cap. Alex Jones' behavior in and related to the justice system is, to put it mildly, not normal. I will come back to this shortly.

This was also in principle the least dangerous of the three immediately pending suits against Jones. Lenny Pozner was even more blatantly ill-done by Alex, and the Connecticut case is eight plaintiffs rather than two. Connecticut has a vague and much, much higher punitive cap (10x or so, by convention), and is also the state where a bunch of toddlers were murdered and Alex Jones said it was a hoax and massively defamed the parents. If we straight up extrapolate from this milder case in Texas with a Texas jury, Alex Jones is going to lose an awful lot of money.

The remaining argument is, of course, that we know in our guts that rich men always win and nothing, not even demonstrable facts, matters. Alex Jones has a small problem here. The one thing judges value above all else is the exalted position of judges and their ability to make anyone in their domain do what they want. Most rich people pretend to respect the court's authority and hire lawyers who are capable of not giving their entire phone records to the plaintiff's attorney for him to have fun with. In the initial trial, over years and with approximately infinity second chances, Alex Jones proved himself so completely incapable of minimally complying with court orders that he was slammed with a default judgment. This is not common. In the damages phase, he went on his show when he was supposed to be in court and publicly called the judge a pedophile demon. This is also not common.

Even aside from whatever wackiness happens in the future, including but not limited to the consequences of the Onedrivepocalypse, Alex is on the hook for a lot of money and possible further sanctions or charges for his court related bullshit. He has successfully discarded most of the judicial advantages he has as a rich white man, and replaced them with increasingly improbable ways to make judges angry.

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

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good

On balance it has a lot of good stuff in it. I was worried about a Sinema shiv at the last second.

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

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lobster shirt posted:

Gas stoves are pretty horrible for indoor air quality, especially if you don't have good ventilation.

Nonsense. I use a gas stove all the time and it has no impact on my mental acuity, just look at my posting.

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

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well, didn't have that one on the bingo card for the week

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RBA Starblade posted:

I knew Big Chocolate was behind this

Took me too long to work that one out. :golfclap:

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

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Ghost Leviathan posted:

This was pretty much the standard liberal line for like half a century too, especially post Cold War where all the enemies were beaten and we just had to gently and gradually adjust to live in liberal capitalism happily ever after. And pretty much still mainstream Democrat line.

Fifty years ago Richard Nixon was going strong, the soviet union still existed, and it was four years after the Civil Rights Act.

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

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Zachack posted:

Roe has a lot of supporters and detractors and people will tend to disagree on what they think the best outcome for roe is. I work with people that consider roe to be ethically wrong, and they can make strong points in favor of abolishing roe, including unequal access arguments due to wealth disparity and even environmental arguments. Others may argue that roe represents a necessary freedom and being deprived is untenable. Personally I'm not a huge fan but it's fine as part of sushi and I assume makes for good bait?

I was slowly reaching for my probation button before I hit the last sentence. Bravo.

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

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A GIANT PARSNIP posted:

I am sorry to be the one to tell you this but our for profit medical and nursing home industries are gonna milk your parents for every cent they have.

So, this wasn't a very nice thing to say. There are a couple other ways you could have handled this.

One is to use it as a jumping off point to further discuss the details of how one or both of those things exploit the elderly. This is still more sadmaking than I'd entirely personally prefer, but eh, it'd at least contribute more to the discussion, and the dnd climate change thread (for example) is the way it is, so there's clearly some space for posting actively depressing things. This is not what your post was.

Another is to use it as a jumping off point to discuss how to protect one's relatives from those exploitations. This would be productive, less immediately depressing, and heck, actively helpful to more goons than just Zotix in their actual real world lives. This is also not what your post was.

Your post, at absolute best, was a low-contribution one-liner where you knew for a fact that it would emotionally hurt the person you were responding to, when they were clearly already fretting. I do not like that. Surely we, dnd / something awful as a whole, can discuss things while being kind and compassionate to each other.

Goatse James Bond
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Just as a quick aside, the term used by the Covid Response Team Guy was commercialization, not privatization; there's potentially some difference if he was being careful about his wording, but mostly it impacts the ability to google useful information rather than relying on twitter.

Article covering Jha's speech: https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/16/health/biden-administration-covid-19-vaccines-tests-treatments/index.html

His speech seems, shall we say, short on practical details. As far as I can tell through non-paywalled sources ( https://www.forbes.com/sites/carlieporterfield/2022/08/18/us-wont-pay-for-covid-19-shots-soon-heres-how-it-could-work/?sh=431541af30db ), there aren't really any details yet. HHS will be holding a bigass meeting on August 30 to start hammering out those details, so I guess I don't really care about this particular catchy topic until then.

additional interesting bit I found from May on NIH giving some of its covid tech to the WHO: https://www.hhs.gov/about/news/2022/05/12/nih-licenses-covid-19-research-tools-early-stage-technologies-who-program.html

tldr NIH is apparently not allowed to bring stuff to market itself, so it's giving out some of its tools and early stage tech to the WHO to serve the twin purposes of getting the tech brought to market and getting the stuff in general out to the wider world, which i seem to recall was the topic of some complaint


Fister Roboto posted:

Even if they have no other choice it's still not great that we've allowed things to get so bad that we have to privatize a life saving vaccine.

certainly seems to be this, i imagine that for example the monoclonal antibody suppliers wouldn't exactly be horrified to have the US government subsidize every drop they can produce forever

Goatse James Bond
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While I raised the antibody thing earlier because that's already been semi commercialized, when it comes to vaccines specifically, health insurers et al generally really like vaccines... because they reduce the rate of future massive payouts. See: flu

The task force guy made a big point of talking about uninsured people being a priority in the current planning.

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some plague rats posted:

Now, I'm not saying it's time to start supporting the GOP, but like... Let's hear him out?

I think this conversation should probably stop here.

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Fister Roboto posted:

If that's true then why does it need to be commercialized? Everyone who already got it doesn't need it anymore, and anyone who hasn't probably isn't going to get it especially if they have to pay for it. There's no market for it.

I was under the impression that people are still going to need to get regular boosters. If that's the case then commercializing it sounds pretty exploitative.

Just so we're clear: the use of 'commercialized' seems to be that the government will stop directly purchasing vaccines, and it will become more like the flu vaccine. which is required to be covered by health insurance, and which insurance companies, despite being horrible, would very much like people to get rather than not get, because it saves them money

The bigger problem is things like monoclonal antibodies, which iirc recently lost their full government subsidy.

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