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neato burrito
Aug 25, 2002

bitch better have my chex mix

My 4th grade teacher was absolutely convinced (or at least tried to convince us) that if you tilted your head back to stop a nosebleed you would drown on your own blood.

I ate a lot of boogers as a kid, so we butted heads on her nosebleed facts quite a bit.

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Strategic Tea
Sep 1, 2012

CaptainSarcastic posted:

I do think that the flip side of complaining about being taught things that weren't actually useful later on can veer dangerously close to the commodification and corporatization of education that has taken place since the 60s and 70s where education is viewed as simply a path to work. The hyperfocus on STEM bullshit in recent years is also reflective of this neoliberal view of education.

A college degree used to mean, at least in theory, that someone would have a well-rounded education in general, not some super-specialized marketable skill. It's still possible to get a well-rounded education at the university level, but it seems like it takes more individual effort to choose a course load that achieves that. It is fairly easy to get a degree in one area while being astoundingly ignorant in other areas, e.g. engineers.

I hate math, was never good at it (well, compared to other subjects), but I'm still glad that I reached the level I did even if I don't actually use it much.

Thank you for coming to my TED talk.

Can I just say I totally agree with this and wish more people said it.

And the diversity of education cuts both ways. I studied exclusively languages and humanities from age 16; now I'm a professional accountant.

Turns out you don't need targeted academic training at all to do 90% of jobs, only to appease the worthless hacks who work in recruitment consultancies.

Animal-Mother
Feb 14, 2012

RABBIT RABBIT
RABBIT RABBIT
Rap is a fad.

EorayMel
May 30, 2015

WE GET IT. YOU LOVE GUN JESUS. Toujours des fusils Bullpup Français.

Animal-Mother posted:

Rap is a fad.

Read this as "ralp is a fat" and I agreed

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

Its my party
and I'll die if
I want to

Strategic Tea posted:

Can I just say I totally agree with this and wish more people said it.

And the diversity of education cuts both ways. I studied exclusively languages and humanities from age 16; now I'm a professional accountant.

Turns out you don't need targeted academic training at all to do 90% of jobs, only to appease the worthless hacks who work in recruitment consultancies.

This was a lie I was told, but its only a lie because people believe incorrectly. I was told all you needed to do was get good marks in school, do any university course, and you'd get hired because companies/government just want to know you can learn and do things and they'll train you. Unless you were going to be a doctor or something that actually does need specialty training. So I laboured for my entire school time under this example, and lol when i get out of university with a BA in history, i find out "oops, you needed to do a coop/internship back in high school to even be considered for a real job, why don't you find a minimum wage retail job for the rest of your life".

Also having teachers who did not believe learning disabilities existed. One of my English teachers thought Dyslexia was made up and just on tv, and not being able to spell was just me being lazy, and ditto math teachers refuses to accept that dyscalcula is a thing, and that I was just lazy and stupid because everyone can do math right? No it doesn't matter that you have actual doctors and specialists saying this, i'm some high school math teacher, i know everything.

Buttchocks
Oct 21, 2020

No, I like my hat, thanks.
Being a slave in America wasn't that bad because you got to keep around 90% of the value that your labor generated, in the forms of housing, food, clothing, etc., and the slave owners only made like, 10% profit off their investment. We had to read an entire book about how slavery benefited the slaves, economically speaking. In retrospect, that teacher was very much a slavery and fascism apologist.

Also, comparative religion class. No, not that way. The material was presented in such broad stereotypes and over-simplified generalizations that it bordered on ethnic slurs (like, Chick Tract levels of offensiveness). The teacher's attitude was "all religion is made up and stupid, so it doesn't matter whether the things I teach you about other peoples' beliefs is in any way accurate", which really defeated the purpose of the class. We had a pretty religiously diverse student population, and we were constantly correcting him, which he hated. It didn't help that his primary job was being the track coach, and having to suffer the humiliation of teaching a classroom subject just made him angry all the time.

FunkyAl
Mar 28, 2010

Your vitals soar.
My teacher in fifth grade was convinced a demon had been following her for years and told us specific details about this, as well as one time that she saw a skinwalker on an indian reservation. I'm going to give her the benefit of the doubt and say that she was not lying, strange nevertheless.

CaptainSarcastic
Jul 6, 2013



Not really lies, but in Freshman or Sophomore year of high school my health class had a teacher's assistant who was a little odd at the best of times, like always having what appeared to be a square of transparent tape stuck to her face between her eyebrows. Not on her glasses or anything, and not a Band-Aid, just like a square of Scotch tape stuck up above the bridge of her nose.

One time the actual health class teacher was absent on a day we had a test, and the directions and "help" with questions this assistant gave were so incredibly bad that we ended up having to retake the test because so many people failed. I was one of the few people who passed because I heard the things she was telling my classmates and knew it was batshit wrong, so I just ignored her. It was awkward because I wanted to correct her but it was in the middle of a test so I didn't feel like I could speak up. I don't remember any specific examples, just my reaction to how pants-on-head the stuff she was saying was.

carry on then
Jul 10, 2010

by VideoGames

(and can't post for 10 years!)

We definitely got the old "the country of Africa" from the long-term music sub in 7th grade, and no amount of us saying it was a continent convinced her.

Violet_Sky
Dec 5, 2011



Fun Shoe

Buttchocks posted:

Being a slave in America wasn't that bad because you got to keep around 90% of the value that your labor generated, in the forms of housing, food, clothing, etc., and the slave owners only made like, 10% profit off their investment. We had to read an entire book about how slavery benefited the slaves, economically speaking. In retrospect, that teacher was very much a slavery and fascism apologist.

Was your teacher Cliven Bundy?

Ziv Zulander
Mar 24, 2017

ZZ for short


neato burrito posted:

My 4th grade teacher was absolutely convinced (or at least tried to convince us) that if you tilted your head back to stop a nosebleed you would drown on your own blood.

I ate a lot of boogers as a kid, so we butted heads on her nosebleed facts quite a bit.

You’re not going to literally drown but you will end up swallowing blood. You’re supposed to tilt your head foreword when you have a nosebleed

Quaint Quail Quilt
Jun 19, 2006


Ask me about that time I told people mixing bleach and vinegar is okay
I was taught to hold your head back, and as someone who has had hundreds of nosebleeds, yeah don't do that.

One time my mom pulled a clot out of there that was like a foot long!

Thankfully I switched states and got older and they stopped happening.

DiHK
Feb 4, 2013

by Azathoth

Quaint Quail Quilt posted:

One time my mom pulled a clot out of there that was like a foot long!

I bet that felt glorious.

Powered Descent
Jul 13, 2008

We haven't had that spirit here since 1969.

I had a computer programming teacher who told us that in the real world, professional programmers write everything out by hand in pseudocode. And the people who write the computer-language source code are not much above typists really; they're just translating the pseudocode they've been given by the "real" programmers.

So of course he required all assignments to be handed in as two parts, the actual program on a disk, and the pseudocode on paper. Now, this did not mean a simplified outline of the algorithm -- it had to adhere to his rigid syntax specifications and spell out every last step, line by line. He expected us to write this first with a pencil, and then translate it into source code on the computer, and of course it would work perfectly the first time since it was based on such a detailed plan. Needless to say, absolutely no one did it in that order, and everyone cursed the teacher's name as we uselessly hand-rewrote our finished program, line by line, in the syntax he'd made up.

YeahTubaMike
Mar 24, 2005

*hic* Gotta finish thish . . .
Doctor Rope

DiHK posted:

I bet that felt glorious.

It sounds like a nose poop :gonk:

Ornamental Dingbat
Feb 26, 2007

👵"Any one of you can become the president if you try hard enough"
🧒"I'm an immigrant, so I can't"
👵"No, you just have to work hard"

hot cocoa on the couch
Dec 8, 2009

100% DOG LOVER
ALL DOGS LOVED, ALL THE TIME

Powered Descent posted:

I had a computer programming teacher who told us that in the real world, professional programmers write everything out by hand in pseudocode. And the people who write the computer-language source code are not much above typists really; they're just translating the pseudocode they've been given by the "real" programmers.

So of course he required all assignments to be handed in as two parts, the actual program on a disk, and the pseudocode on paper. Now, this did not mean a simplified outline of the algorithm -- it had to adhere to his rigid syntax specifications and spell out every last step, line by line. He expected us to write this first with a pencil, and then translate it into source code on the computer, and of course it would work perfectly the first time since it was based on such a detailed plan. Needless to say, absolutely no one did it in that order, and everyone cursed the teacher's name as we uselessly hand-rewrote our finished program, line by line, in the syntax he'd made up.

lol wtf. i had to do this too. did they really teach us all this bullshit

carry on then
Jul 10, 2010

by VideoGames

(and can't post for 10 years!)

Powered Descent posted:

I had a computer programming teacher who told us that in the real world, professional programmers write everything out by hand in pseudocode. And the people who write the computer-language source code are not much above typists really; they're just translating the pseudocode they've been given by the "real" programmers.

So of course he required all assignments to be handed in as two parts, the actual program on a disk, and the pseudocode on paper. Now, this did not mean a simplified outline of the algorithm -- it had to adhere to his rigid syntax specifications and spell out every last step, line by line. He expected us to write this first with a pencil, and then translate it into source code on the computer, and of course it would work perfectly the first time since it was based on such a detailed plan. Needless to say, absolutely no one did it in that order, and everyone cursed the teacher's name as we uselessly hand-rewrote our finished program, line by line, in the syntax he'd made up.

lmao did he learn to program in 1965? this sounds like punch card-era poo poo

Blue Moonlight
Apr 28, 2005
Bitter and Sarcastic
I suspect the value of leaning hard on written pseudocode increases as you start going back to timeshares, punch cards, etc.

Of course, time moves forward, so…

Tarkus
Aug 27, 2000

I'm sure there could be value in it as a lead-in for people who've never programmed or as a napkin concept but it sounds like this guy considered it his own personal programming paradigm that should be used everywhere.

zedprime
Jun 9, 2007

yospos
Wraps around to good pedagogy because it's good practice if you end up in the sort of code janitor job that replaces good development collaboration with endless documentation.

dr_rat
Jun 4, 2001
I remember reading an interview with a really old coder who learnt coding by mail. He'd have to do the code on a punch card, then mail it to his uni where it be a week or so until someone got around to imputing it into the unis computer. They would then grab the printed result and mail it back. About three weeks turn around time total. Said while not a way of learning coding he would recommend it did mean he learnt to think through what he was his coding very carefully before he started anything and rarely made mistakes.

The Alchemist
Dec 12, 2010
Our teacher legit taught that moonlanding isnt real. I grew up in VERY rural finland, the school I went to is gone by now.

The Alchemist
Dec 12, 2010
Also I remember a very cringy biology class with same teacher, he was comparing white man and black man intelligence. Apparently they are as smart, but one is accustomed to jungle and the other is accustomed to civilization :shepicide:
Im only 29 years old, so it's not like we are talking about a school in the 50's, this was mid 00's

dr_rat
Jun 4, 2001

The Alchemist posted:

Our teacher legit taught that moonlanding isnt real. I grew up in VERY rural finland, the school I went to is gone by now.

The teacher knew, so THEY got rid of him, and his evidence. :colbert:

Bonzo
Mar 11, 2004

Just like Mama used to make it!

Powered Descent posted:

I had a computer programming teacher who told us that in the real world, professional programmers write everything out by hand in pseudocode. And the people who write the computer-language source code are not much above typists really; they're just translating the pseudocode they've been given by the "real" programmers.

So of course he required all assignments to be handed in as two parts, the actual program on a disk, and the pseudocode on paper. Now, this did not mean a simplified outline of the algorithm -- it had to adhere to his rigid syntax specifications and spell out every last step, line by line. He expected us to write this first with a pencil, and then translate it into source code on the computer, and of course it would work perfectly the first time since it was based on such a detailed plan. Needless to say, absolutely no one did it in that order, and everyone cursed the teacher's name as we uselessly hand-rewrote our finished program, line by line, in the syntax he'd made up.

hot cocoa on the couch posted:

lol wtf. i had to do this too. did they really teach us all this bullshit

I took a University level class in Oracle because....well....I don't exactly remember. It was for job I had over 10 years ago. The entire thing is online except I have to drive an hour away to the college and take my proctored final. This was summer. Do you have any idea how empty college campus' are in summer? I had no idea where this classroom is so I'm freaking out about missing the final but I eventually find the room.

But there are no computers in this room. This instructor then says we will be writing out all the SQL statements and queries by hand. No IDE or SQL Developer which every single Oracle DBA would use. What I asked why the hell this was happening, he stated that real DBAs write out SQL on whiteboards all the time. So yeah, I failed that class and gently caress him.

A few years ago I looked at Cyber Security classes at a University in Ontario. Again these were all online so I figured it would be great. The first thing they do it send me my student portal credentials in plain text along with a note that I can't even change my password. That didn't sound like a place that would be good at teaching cyber security so I dropped the classes for a refund. Its like a cooking school that doesn't teach you how to clean.

I don't take extended learning anymore

BV
Oct 23, 2005

NO ITS FUNNY. FUCK YOU. TIA

Silhouette posted:

You know how you can tell someone grew up in an upper middle class suburb just by the way they post?

That poo poo don't work in the city, bullies travel in packs and will hunt you down after school

What's the dividing line between upper middle class and upper class?

Turpitude
Oct 13, 2004

Love love love

be an organ donor
Soiled Meat

BV posted:

What's the dividing line between upper middle class and upper class?

Several million dollars.

The Butcher
Apr 20, 2005

Well, at least we tried.
Nap Ghost
Today, we will be weaving tiny bits of copper wire on this thing to make the Apollo flight computer.

Boys, you are too clumsy and your fingers are too big.

You are playing football today.

exquisite tea
Apr 21, 2007

Carly shook her glass, willing the ice to melt. "You still haven't told me what the mission is."

She leaned forward. "We are going to assassinate the bad men of Hollywood."


When I was young I wanted to be a writer, and the adults in my life always told me "you can't make a career out of writing." But as it turns out, 30 years of society believing this means that nobody has the ability to write anymore, so if you're even somewhat decent people will pay you good money to read and edit their poo poo.

WILDTURKEY101
Mar 7, 2005

Look to your left. Look to your right. Only one of you is going to pass this course.

exquisite tea posted:

When I was young I wanted to be a writer, and the adults in my life always told me "you can't make a career out of writing." But as it turns out, 30 years of society believing this means that nobody has the ability to write anymore, so if you're even somewhat decent people will pay you good money to read and edit their poo poo.

i switched from teaching 4th grade to teaching high school English this past year and holy JESUS you are correct. The average 10th grader is writing at what you or I would probably consider a 5th grade level. They don't have a basic hold on using commas, periods, parts of speech, tenses, etc. I taught lessons on subjects and predicates, subject verb agreement, tenses within a sentence, and other basic elementary poo poo to whole classes full of 10th grade honors students. Know why? Because grammar and mechanics are barely in the curriculum. We use Teachers College's Units of Study and it is a flaming hot pile of woo woo poo poo. Oh also we are supposedly one of the best 10 school districts in my state.

Internet Old One
Dec 6, 2021

Coke Adds Life

Powered Descent posted:

I had a computer programming teacher who told us that in the real world, professional programmers write everything out by hand in pseudocode. And the people who write the computer-language source code are not much above typists really; they're just translating the pseudocode they've been given by the "real" programmers.

So of course he required all assignments to be handed in as two parts, the actual program on a disk, and the pseudocode on paper. Now, this did not mean a simplified outline of the algorithm -- it had to adhere to his rigid syntax specifications and spell out every last step, line by line. He expected us to write this first with a pencil, and then translate it into source code on the computer, and of course it would work perfectly the first time since it was based on such a detailed plan. Needless to say, absolutely no one did it in that order, and everyone cursed the teacher's name as we uselessly hand-rewrote our finished program, line by line, in the syntax he'd made up.

Maybe he meant that senior designers or architects will design the system and divvy up the work to junior devs. But if you’re here then even that wasn’t a big thing back when you were probably a kid. In the 80s and 90s disorganized code monkey jobs were the norm. Especially VB jobs in the 90s.

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dot communist
Mar 28, 2005

"The pilgrims and the indians were just cool friends that ate corn together, now let's draw hand turkeys."

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