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10 Beers posted:He did show up to Dana's apartment for a date with a lot of Thorazine that he uses to sedate her. Personal use?
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Jul 26, 2022 03:02
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theironjef posted:If Korg was born to and raised by his two dads, then how come in Ragnarok he had a mom with a new boyfriend, who he hates? I guess it must be some found family thing. One of Korg's "dads" was trans and identified as a woman. Leave your bigoted anti-Kronan transphobia out of the thread, please.
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Jul 26, 2022 20:01
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Xealot posted:One of Korg's "dads" was trans and identified as a woman. Leave your bigoted anti-Kronan transphobia out of the thread, please. Then how come he's misgendering his mom in Love and Thunder? There's no win here. Either Korg is a plot hole or a transphobe.
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Jul 26, 2022 20:14
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theironjef posted:Then how come he's misgendering his mom in Love and Thunder? There's no win here. Either Korg is a plot hole or a transphobe. Good point, we need to cancel Korg.
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Jul 26, 2022 21:36
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Xealot posted:One of Korg's "dads" was trans and identified as a woman. Leave your bigoted anti-Kronan transphobia out of the thread, please. Okay, it is, but not because I'm trans.
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Jul 26, 2022 22:15
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LividLiquid posted:Please don't do this. My life isn't a punchline. TBH neither is mine. No offense intended. It's mostly absurd that a source of "queer representation" in the MCU involves a CG rock person.
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Jul 26, 2022 23:07
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Gotchya'. Sorry. Thank you. I wouldn't have said anything at all if a half-assed one-liner didn't pop into my head to go with the request.
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Jul 26, 2022 23:14
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Xealot posted:It's mostly absurd that a source of "queer representation" in the MCU involves a CG rock person. Yeah, Valkyrie will never have an onscreen romance but we've got... This? I guess?
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Jul 26, 2022 23:16
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A True Jar Jar Fan posted:Yeah, Valkyrie will never have an onscreen romance but we've got... This? I guess? Progress! Disney's great at shoving offhanded queer meet-cutes into easily-excised moments in the epilogue. Korg can hang out with Le Fou and that Star Wars Resistance lady.
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Jul 26, 2022 23:25
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They used to blame "middle America," and now they blame China. But at a certain point, you're just not allowing interracial couples to appease the Klan. Which is a terrible metaphor because they are absolutely still doing that.
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Jul 26, 2022 23:28
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I'm mostly dreading the discourse surrounding MCU X-Men. Where X-Men's general critique of how military-industrial capitalism enables racist fascism is suddenly completely absent from the movies, but CHUDs will still complain about how Disney has "turned X-Men woke." This superhero team of terrified teenagers, alienated from their families because of a non-normative identity they discovered during puberty, has banded together under assumed names that affirm their identities, as part of a found family that fights fascist killbots and "human" supremacists. A true shame that X-Men has now, in the 2020's and no earlier, gone woke.
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Jul 26, 2022 23:44
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massive spider posted:I get what the child soldier/kiddy warrior/infant cavalier scene was going for. Fighting back against Nightmare monsters in the dark and so on, the imagery is well worn territory, the problem is it doesn’t really tie into anything else in the films tone or quite work. Much like most elements in the rest of the picture. This is a pretty good read. For instance, when the kids in Stranger things fight back against shadow government members and legit monsters, and when the teens arm themselves to stop bad poo poo from happening, it's loving rad. Because it's been set up as a theme, and because it is 100% justified because they need to help themselves since they can't trust/the adults are even there. There is no reason in this movie that he gets the kids to help, instead of calling in Guardians for help, and so on. it's convenient for Thor to get help from the kids. The villain doesn't even want to hurt the kids, just use them as bait. The monsters aren't there to kill the kids, their there to stop Thor. So basically the theme of that scene is super heroes and fighting is cool and good and should be a good time.
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Jul 27, 2022 00:20
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LionArcher posted:There is no reason in this movie that he gets the kids to help, instead of calling in Guardians for help, and so on. it's convenient for Thor to get help from the kids. The villain doesn't even want to hurt the kids, just use them as bait. The monsters aren't there to kill the kids, their there to stop Thor. There is nothing in that scene that implies or says the shadow monsters Gorr are sending will avoid hurting or killing the kids, or even fail to target them if Thor moves away from the monsters entirely. Gorr didn't want to hurt them when they had use as bait, but there's nothing in the film to indicate he cares about them once they've lost any purpose as bait.
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Jul 27, 2022 00:31
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tsob posted:There is nothing in that scene that implies or says the shadow monsters Gorr are sending will avoid hurting or killing the kids, or even fail to target them if Thor moves away from the monsters entirely. Gorr didn't want to hurt them when they had use as bait, but there's nothing in the film to indicate he cares about them once they've lost any purpose as bait. If Thor popped over five seconds later there wouldn't have been any kids lol
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Jul 27, 2022 00:39
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Taika Waititi's X-Men would actually just be current-comics X-Men where Logan, Cyclops, and Jean Grey are in a throuple that amounts to the two men taking turns professing their love for Jean
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Jul 27, 2022 00:58
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LividLiquid posted:They used to blame "middle America," and now they blame China. But at a certain point, you're just not allowing interracial couples to appease the Klan. Which is a terrible metaphor because they are absolutely still doing that. One of China's most popular drama shows (The Untamed) is literally about two gay monster hunters. (One of whom becomes an evil wizard while the other stays good.) The novel it's based on straight up had them gently caress and kiss in it, they removed it BUT kept...literally everything else. It's literally just "two gay guys with everything but the sex and kissing". Most of the audience knows they're gay, they just are barely on the line to get it pass the censors without making it unrecognizable. China is not the real villain here. In fact, they could probably get pass China's censors with minimal effort (Steven loving Universe airs in the loving middle east, tho they often just cut episodes out, even if it's one part of a two parter), while having actual gay people be a thing in the loving MCU, but they won't. Because it's not China, it's loving Disney. Disney could probably overthrow the CPC over night with their media empire alone, but they won't because they are just as cowardly, racist, and fascist as the "communists" are. Ironically Disney's "NO IT'S CHINA" defense will probably lead to "gay liberals" joining the military just to shoot up those "evil gay bashers" (even tho China's culture was a million times more friendly to Gay people before the ugly british empire tried to conquer them) when or if (Gods, I hope it's an "if") WW3 comes up. If you want representation in the MCU, vote third party, and STRONGLY campaign for FORCED unionization of every company in america. That's the only way we're gonna see Valkyrie make out with a chick on screen at this point.
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Jul 27, 2022 04:55
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TheNamedSavior posted:One of China's most popular drama shows (The Untamed) is literally about two gay monster hunters. (One of whom becomes an evil wizard while the other stays good.) Lmao
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Jul 27, 2022 05:35
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president xi removes his mask - to reveal the twisted face of michael eisner!
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Jul 27, 2022 09:03
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TheNamedSavior posted:Because it's not China, it's loving Disney.  While I don't agree with everything you said, they'll absolutely find a new scapegoat for this the moment China stops being a convenient one because it has nothing to do with China. They just think "who gets to count as people" is an apolitical question and to come down on the side of "all people count as people" would be them being political.
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Jul 30, 2022 02:22
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Considering how much Disney does try to pander to Chinese audiences and how badly they gently caress it up, I wouldn't be surprised if it was an honest attempt by Disney to make it more acceptable to China. But even then, the fact that that's what they go with still says more about Disney than about China.
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Jul 30, 2022 02:30
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LionArcher posted:This is a pretty good read. For instance, when the kids in Stranger things fight back against shadow government members and legit monsters, and when the teens arm themselves to stop bad poo poo from happening, it's loving rad. Because it's been set up as a theme, and because it is 100% justified because they need to help themselves since they can't trust/the adults are even there. Love and Thunder was the worst MCU movie in a while about earning its "Where are the other Avengers pass?". A lot of it would've been easier had Thor just called the Guardians (or Captain Marvel).
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Jul 30, 2022 02:32
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"Why didn't the movie stop dead in its tracks and explain why people from other movies aren't there" is not the bulletproof criticism people think it is. It didn't do those things because we don't need that scene in every movie past the fifth one in this over decade-old series. They're not there because they couldn't be, or they would be. Stopping to say that every time, or to make some glib Whedonesque joke about it, is not something anybody actually wants, whether they think they do or not.
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Jul 30, 2022 03:33
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LividLiquid posted:"Why didn't the movie stop dead in its tracks and explain why people from other movies aren't there" is not the bulletproof criticism people think it is. The MCU has gotten a lot better at telling stories that can avoid this problem altogether. You'd have to go back to Winter Soldier to find an MCU movie where the assistance of other Avengers, like asking the Guardians of the Galaxy to help with an intergalactic mission that ultimately requires Thor to conscript children into battle, is so obvious but not utilized.
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Jul 30, 2022 05:36
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live with fruit posted:The MCU has gotten a lot better at telling stories that can avoid this problem altogether. You'd have to go back to Winter Soldier to find an MCU movie where the assistance of other Avengers, like asking the Guardians of the Galaxy to help with an intergalactic mission that ultimately requires Thor to conscript children into battle, is so obvious but not utilized. The movie did explain why he didn't ask the Guardians for help. He knows there are hundreds of people already calling them for assistance for a start, so they're kind of busy and secondly, because when he goes to confront Gorr at the Gate of Eternity he's doing so on a time limit. He has to get there as fast as possible, because Gorr knows where it is, has the key and is on his way there. As is, without stopping beyond to talk to Jane, he barely makes it in time. In order to get the Guardians help he'd also need some way to contact them, which I don't think he has, or some way to locate them given he has no idea where they are in the universe, which he definitely doesn't have. As for the Avengers? Most of the ones he knows are dead. Tony? Dead. Natasha? Dead. Cap? Effectively dead. Hawkeye? Retired. Captain Marvel? Could be anywhere in the universe, and again, he has not only no idea where she is, but no idea how to contact her. The only maybe active Avenger he's really familiar with who is likely to be somewhere on Earth, even if he took the time to locate him and explain why he wants his help is Bruce; who, last Thor saw, had a basically unhealable injury preventing him from using one of his arms (though it looks like he's healed it regardless in She-Hulk), and probably about to retire himself. In that regard, his best bet would be Dr. Strange, but even then he only kinda knows Dr. Strange, in that he was at the guy's house once and I'm not sure he even knows where the Sanctum is, beyond "somewhere in New York", given how lackadaisical he is about Earth in general. He could go there, but he'd have to hope the guy is even around and not busy with other threats somewhere else in our universe or other dimensions, explain the situation and then teleport them both to Eternity. Which would probably get him there too late to stop Gorr, and also quite possibly too late to help the kids. Who, even if you want to insist that Gorr wasn't going to harm them, Thor has no way of knowing regardless; so as far as Thor is concerned, he has to get to the Gate of Eternity to help the kids asap as well as to stop Gorr. Not "as soon as I nip across to New York, talk to a guy I kinda know". Which is presuming he'd even thought about asking Dr. Strange for help in the first place, given he's only ever met him briefly in rather trying times and may not have kept him in mind for just such a situation. The Guardians are the only ones he could ask for help who are directly shown in the movie though, so the only ones the movie might care to address him asking for help. Which it has, since they're busy and he has no idea how to get their help anyway. tsob fucked around with this message at 06:25 on Jul 30, 2022 |
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Jul 30, 2022 06:20
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Who's out asking the Guardians for help? Do the Guardians help people?
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Jul 30, 2022 11:49
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josh04 posted:Who's out asking the Guardians for help? Do the Guardians help people? That's kind of a dumb question given the movie shows them doing so. They may not have done intentionally before, but clearly they are now. People's motivations and missions change with circumstances. Before they were just loving around, but NOW there are billions of distress calls coming in simultaneously probably not intended for them but certainly not picky enough to not be broadcasting on every frequency they can. And Star Lord may be kind of a dingus, but he's not the type to leave people hanging like that.
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Jul 30, 2022 11:59
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Taking it at face value just makes it weirder that they dump the extremely powerful guy who was helping them out. Not exactly effective altruism there, Starlord.
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Jul 30, 2022 12:35
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It makes sense from starlords pov bc Thor is really stupid and annoying.
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Jul 30, 2022 12:41
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TIP posted:Yeah, I'm not trying to argue that Ghostbusters has good politics or anyone involved had good politics. Just saying that having a protagonist who's antagonist is a government functionary doesn't mean the movie is a libertarian screed. Director Ivan Reitman did declare himself as a Libertarian and concurred when asked that the film was anti-epa. Obviously the main goal of Ghostbusters is to be a fun film, but that stuff is definitely intentional on his part at least. Karloff fucked around with this message at 15:05 on Jul 30, 2022 |
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Jul 30, 2022 14:42
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Karloff posted:Director Ivan Reitman did declare himself as a Libertarian and concurred when asked that the film was anti-epa. Obviously the main goal of Ghostbusters is to be a fun film, but that stuff is definitely intentional on his part at least. Man, the '80s really sucked.
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Jul 30, 2022 18:00
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josh04 posted:Who's out asking the Guardians for help? Do the Guardians help people? The entire reason they meet Thor in the first place was because they were responding to a distress signal.
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Jul 30, 2022 18:51
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Hoping to loot a ship full of freshly dead corpses but yes.
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Jul 30, 2022 19:10
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The guardians help others but they also help themselves
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Jul 30, 2022 19:23
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The Guardians of the Galaxy are really a space-based branch of Heroes for Hire
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Jul 30, 2022 20:21
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Away all Goats posted:The entire reason they meet Thor in the first place was because they were responding to a distress signal. All ships are obliged to respond to a distress call; it's a little different to running an emergency services triage like they appear to be in Thor 4. Idk it's not the biggest thing in the world but it seemed weird to me in the cinema; they were introduced as borderline-criminal rogues, now they're space cops.
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Jul 30, 2022 20:43
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Yeah but they were gonna steal the parts for salvage lol
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Jul 30, 2022 21:05
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Bogus Adventure posted:Man, the '80s really sucked. "Remember how 15 years ago there was this groundswell of empathy and a profound rejection of systems built on greed and oppression? Well gently caress all that, let's make money, greed is good."
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Aug 2, 2022 21:51
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josh04 posted:Who's out asking the Guardians for help? Do the Guardians help people? They see a distress signal as a potential to extort a reward. That's how I take it anyway.
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Xealot posted:"Remember how 15 years ago there was this groundswell of empathy and a profound rejection of systems built on greed and oppression? Well gently caress all that, let's make money, greed is good." As MLK said, gently caress the white moderate. He didn't actually say that exactly. But close.
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