Lostconfused posted:

These post release plans seem like they should have been pre-release

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/developer-diary/victoria-3-dev-diary-64-post-release-plans.1553970/

Lostconfused posted:

I know that's not what you want, but you can definitely do that with a video game.

You just replace the idea of "orders" with "player input", heck make the interface annoying enough and you can have people fat fingering their way into all sorts of mistakes. Or just make them use a really bad mouse instead of a good one.

skooma512 posted:

Afghanistan '11 was fun enough, but rings hollow since the main objective of a campaign is turning everything over to the ANA, whose reputation was overrun by events, to say nothing of the Taliban.


UN AID DELIVERED

Minenfeld! posted:

I only played coh multiplayer with friends and it's the one game besides league of legends that made everyone want to punch walls.

Lostconfused posted:

But seriously, I also got stuck with the most useless, reactionary, governor generals possible. Like three different ones in a row being insane fundies getting real mad about not enforcing anglican church on everyone as the one true faith.

Also complete refusal to change anything, because they were always landlords. I don't know if the game is scripted to just always force landlords on you, or what. Since it's not hereditary, and there's no successor shown I assume it randomly generates a character.

StashAugustine posted:

Yeah this was a funny bug where if a building had just an owner but no workers they would take 100% of the buildings budget and hire no one else

StashAugustine posted:

Most of the content is a free patch which means the paid expansion is basically like two marginal mechanics and a bunch of flavor events for one country. Whether this is an improvement is left ad an exercise to the reader

Lostconfused posted:

Could have probably called this "Obama's Legacy" lol.

sullat posted:

Nah it's great there are some missions that are more stressful then others (dragon attack comes to mind) but it's pretty fun and the voice actors are great. More gold, your majesty!

Jazerus posted:

(said really weirdly) refreshing

Zeppelin Insanity posted:

I played some Jagged Alliance. Man. If I was a video essayist I would absolutely make one using this game as an example.

The game is fun. I'd give it a 7 or 8 out of 10 if that was the only factor.

Smaller quibbles are that the interface is a bit clunky, it's a bit crashy, and the mercenaries are very annoying. Remember how they were stereotypes in Jagged Alliance? Now imagine if those concepts were written by a 12 year old brought up on Marvel movies. They talk constantly and are never funny.

But the big thing. Oooh boy.

Remember how in JA2 you were hired by the deposed leader of a nation, and were fighting that nation's army?

Yeah. Here your client is ostensibly the daughter of a kidnapped president, but that's not actually true. She is not the one paying you. You are in fact hired by a mining company to reclaim their diamond mines. A mining company ran by someone who seems Spanish at first glance.

Not black. The country is very black. A former French colony. Every single enemy is black. Every single one. Whereas in JA2 your enemies were an army, with enemy types such as "recruit", "regular", "veteran" and "elite", here you are facing "goon", "marauder", "brute", "raid leader". Where in JA2 they wore uniforms, here they wear stereotypical "tribal" warpaint, headdresses (which count as armour, somehow), and leopard skins.

You are, of course, almost only white people. There are a few token non-white mercenaries. The only black mercenary I hired so far makes frequent references to crack pipes. The only Chinese mercenary is a doctor, but he does martial arts, wears a Tang jacket, is into spirits, and constantly spouts fortune cookie wisdom.

It's OK though, because the game opens with a "just don't get offended bro" graphic.

I think we should consider not allowing Swedish people to make games anymore.

It's a pain because the game is fun overall. I really wish someone would take the core structure of Jagged Alliance and make it about a people's revolution, rather than capitalist resource extraction. But I guess that would be Political in the way mowing down shirtless Goons and Marauders decked out in face paint isn't.

Fighting Elegy posted:

In Jagged Alliance 3 there's a dead politician who was gifted a statue from North Korea and he was actually by all accounts a pretty good guy. There's also a bad guy who used to work in North Korea as a military general. Kinda goes to show you that you can't judge someone based solely off their relationship to North Korea.

Stairmaster posted:

how do i get the communists to give me diamond money do I need to do the pamphlet side quest

Frosted Flake posted:

Don't torture me like that.

I would play the hell out of a game where you play St. Ambrose of Milan or any other late Imperial bishop or administrator, just trying to keep things going.

Mokotow posted:

I always thought having a proper OOB system would be crucial for SR, but I think they’re not doing it because the AI wouldn’t be able to handle it and it’s easy to curbstomp it anyway with a properly organized front.

Fuligin posted:

I think Hearts of Iron would work a lot better if it started in like... 1930 or 33 or something, maybe even earlier in the immediate post-WW1 era, with a faster tick rate and longer tech tree. A lot of the alt-history stuff would feel less ludicrous with more time to breathe. Simplify focus trees so that diplomacy is an actual system players can use to sway and interact with other powers, a la other paradox games, instead of a track determined by their tree. And for god's sake add some mechanics for managing alliances and coalition warfare, it's so loving stupid how factions in HoI IV just end up heaping all their divisions together in a mess on one front unless seriously scripted to do otherwise

anyway thats my HoI V fantasy that won't be realized

Endman posted:

The focus trees were a terrible idea imo

As mentioned, they make the diplomacy system mostly useless, and make the game into a choose-your-own-adventure book rather than any kind of dynamic simulation.

Raskolnikov38 posted:

i'll die before i touch hoi3 again

Orange Devil posted:

HoI3 map on release having Stalingrad massively in the wrong location was very funny. Especially if you combine it with the dev diary going into how they were basically simulating the weather using temperature and humidity per province area or whatever they called them in that game.

Like just excellent use of development time and very emblematic of everything that would be to come for that game.

Lostconfused posted:

You'll have to wait 70 days.

sullat posted:

Call me David ben Gurion but I do know how to conduct an ethnic cleansing without running afoul of the rules-based international order. Just, you know, musing on the morality of it. I mean I guess I can pretend that all those starving Yang drones are being assimilated into the genejack factories of Morgan Industries, but we all know most of them are ending up as mindworm food.

Speaking of which, is there a link for your mod? There's probably more than a few veteran SMAC players here who'd be willing to toy with it.

gradenko_2000 posted:

isn't that Crusader Kings

Raskolnikov38 posted:

goddamnit now i need to reinstall coh1 just to hear the voicelines again

Endman posted:

Studying Late Antiquity turned me into an insane person who sees the decaying of taxation systems in the west and the basic hygienic functions of empire falling down like a blind beggar profit, wildly gesticulating at the historical precedent like a madman

Slavvy posted:

Yellow and blue counters are the new black

Mister Bates posted:

it was very funny that I was able to successfully do Dengism in the 1880s, but the fact that it works and was so easy is not exactly a point in the game's favor, lol, it's so poor at simulating the logic of imperialism that subordinating myself to a European power as a subject was actually a net benefit to me and a cost to them

it's like it treats the 'benevolent civilizing mission' rhetoric of the 19th century as literally true, with wealth flowing outwards from the metropole to enrich the colonies and the colonies giving back little in return

even the United States, who should have viewed me as a natural competitor, gave me very little trouble, and indeed actually indirectly benefited me by acting as a source of immigrants - again, literally the entire black population of the United States had migrated by the end of the game, and I also had small but definitely-present populations of Dixie immigrants

Typo posted:

it's poo poo like this which prompted the HOI4 style choose-your-own-adventure focus trees

at least you clearly define what happens in X scenario so weird buggy broken poo poo like this don't happen

Megamissen posted:

also later byzantium gives you starting provinces that are spread out in a very pleasing way

Tankbuster posted:

because it is a hard start and makes it fun to retake land

FirstnameLastname posted:

yeah it's already got the imperial administrative structure + massive amounts of former claims with cool alt province names and can expand in any direction or play tall without it feeling implausible and starts with nothing in eu, ppl always like the clean slate minmax starts

Lostconfused posted:

That's how colonialism works. Colonial powers do export production methods and infrastructure to the colonies. The wealth is still extracted because the infrastructure does not benefit the living conditions of the locals but resource extraction, the production methods do not allow for the locals to enjoy the full value of the labour but let the metropole extract more value from their labour.

Buck Wildman posted:

Megamissen posted:

makes me think of and appreciate the Soviet command doctrine that has been posted about

Tankbuster posted:

the EIC was the first private sector gig you got for sweet sweet cash.

Megamissen posted:

how have they changed it?

its a big contrast compared to fallout 1 and 2