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Mans
Sep 14, 2011

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
topical

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=892672860

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Mans
Sep 14, 2011

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

January 6 Survivor posted:

Do you guys have some suggestions on wargames that are a) playable on potato computers, b) not ridiculously complex and c) seriously, not ridiculously complex, I've never played a strategy game more complicated than Advance Wars before? Actually that reminds me, if it's turn based, all the better.

Battle Academy isn't really that intensive but really fun. You've got an eastern and western campaign.

Warhammer Armageddon is a fantastic game that can probably run on a PC from 1998

Mans
Sep 14, 2011

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
I once did a Mali campaign that united all of Africa and it was fantastic to gain land from the euros in a peace deal and receive the pop up about the slavery resource being exchanged for something else :unsmith:

It seems they after more than a decade, the general States of Africa are actually treated with some respect and their units look dignified instead of looking like cavemen with muskets. I have to check EU4 one of these days.

Mans
Sep 14, 2011

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
fondly remembering playing as Oman, trying to form Persia or play as Ethiopia and having a really cool game until an tidal wave of islamic ottoman fury rained down upon me

Mans
Sep 14, 2011

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

John Charity Spring posted:

this is definitely what happened to EU4, a game I really enjoyed at one point but is terrible for it now. I think both HOI4 and CK2 (and now 3) are better for it, though. HOI4 has added a lot of systems but they mostly feel good and apt to the rest of the game, with the possible exception of espionage. EU4 started to get seriously bloated when they added Estates and they've never recovered, only got worse

I think EU4 hit its peak at around art of war when everything felt really tuned and all bugs fixed, before they started shoving so much unnecessary stuff into the game.

I haven't played the game since leviathan and there seems to have been already a new DLC out which is also badly received although not as badly.

Mans
Sep 14, 2011

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
I want to speak in detail about Order of Battle here because that damned game drew me in with the "it's free!" button and then sucked me into grabbing all the DLCs so far while also playing custom made ones.

It's a really fantastic beer and pretzel game.

Mans
Sep 14, 2011

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Workers & Resources seemed great before but after your post, it seems absolutely fantastic, even if frustrating.

Mans
Sep 14, 2011

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

It will be poo poo for two years but it will probably be a tremendous game as soon as it's "completed".

Assuming the Paradox model goes through

Mans
Sep 14, 2011

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Atilla, while unoptimized, was fantastic.

While a lot of factions were same-ish, there were very unique experiences to be had. Playing as the western roman empire was damage control like i've never seen on another game, Vandals or Allamani went from trying to build a modes kingdom in central europe to going "gently caress it, I'm going to Iberia", the Alans allowed you to feel like a badass nomadic faction until the bigger nomads came after you and the Huns were a genuine guerrila, survival strategy game at first until you got enough strenght to turn into a wrecking ball, although that strength could easily evaporate if you get careless and lose your leader.

And then you had the Sassanids, which according to the game was the peak of civilization, paragons of sanitation and lucrative markets, with effectively no drawbacks. They make a lot of sense when you're playing as the ERE and have to deal with this super strong rival empire, but playing as them was just a calm, smooth western push.

Mans
Sep 14, 2011

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Oh yeah I forgot about that dlc, it was great

Mans
Sep 14, 2011

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
War Thunder combat mechanics without dreadful maps or matchmaker seems like heaven

Mans
Sep 14, 2011

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Cuttlefush posted:

the M3 Lee was actually really good in War Thunder for its matchmaking bracket so maybe don't talk so much poo poo about it even though it looks dumb as hell


also those tanks are cute as hell


It was really useful in men of war too as long as you covered the sides. All the forward facing guns would devastating any position.

Danann posted:

It'll probably end up anti-communist as gently caress though unless there are more secret tankie modders than it seems in the paradox community.

Reminder that, be it by accident or intentionally, paradox developed the USSR in HoI4 in the explicit message that Stalin was 100% right.

They then made a major DLC for the USSR where they made it so that Stalin is actually 200% right in every single suspicion.


Frosted Flake posted:


. Then in Hoi 4 all of the same things happen but also there are dumb alt history trees for France.

The Napoleonic line is so dumb but so fun, it's basically a run against time to swallow up as many territory as possible before Germany attacks you and then you turn Germany into multiple German vassals.

Mans
Sep 14, 2011

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Raskolnikov38 posted:


hoi4's expert AI is such a disappointment because all it does it make the AI build better divisions/ships

And it's considered devastatingly hard due to it, so you have to keep that in mind when you ask the question of why the ai is so incompetent by default

Mans
Sep 14, 2011

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Frosted Flake posted:

because of naval ranges and how long it takes to colonize a province, the historical Portuguese Empire is pretty much impossible since you can’t even get to India or around Africa at game start. I remember both of the major mods, VIET and the other one, just give you those trading colonies in India, around China etc. after events fire, which works but it shows how weird they handle these things.

There's actually an achievment in reaching India in the historical year that the Portuguese did it as a recognition of how hard or rare it is in a regular EU4 game.

It's utterly pointless to do so when you have all of South America at your disposal.

Mans
Sep 14, 2011

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Speaking of X com, I have both xenonauts and phoenix point but played neither so far.

Are they any good? I hear a lot of conflicting reports on the latter.

Frosted Flake posted:

Can you not do that in these ones?

I have Chimera Squad in my library because there was some promo when I bought War of the Chosen but haven’t tried it yet. The reviews all say it’s very good but very different. Anyone tried it?

It's very fun but I played a single campaign fully and then uninstalled since I effectively saw all relevant content.

Characters aren't random, you get a specific number they includes aliens, all with voice acting and unique skills.

You're basically a SWAT team responsible for security in a mega city. Combat is always built on breaking into a facility and you can choose usually multiple entry points, even splitting your team between those areas, and using an assortment of tools like flash bangs, explosives and drones to make your entry easier.

It's a game where you play a super inclusive, non racist SWAT team fighting for the good of the community. It's a very good sci fi fiction.

Mans
Sep 14, 2011

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Also one voice actor played her character in a sassy and seductive voice and the devs didn't tell her she was actually voicing the role of the big titty snake woman.

Mans
Sep 14, 2011

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Between xcom 2 and chimera squad, I'm really interested in trying one of the burgers they keep talking about.

Mans
Sep 14, 2011

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Frosted Flake posted:

The burgers are people, right?

They have burguer factories where meat comes out, but no one ever sees meat getting in.

edit: they still exist in chimera squad so i assume it's not people or known, sentient, aliens.

Mans
Sep 14, 2011

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Muscovy is a very fun pick and by far the easiest way to form Russia, yeah.

For some unconcievable reason, their national ideas are built on "massive population" which is a really weird concept for 15th century Muscovy.

Mans
Sep 14, 2011

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Stairmaster posted:

Eu4 should probably not run until 1820

no one plays until the end date anyways

Mans
Sep 14, 2011

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Rutibex posted:

Paradox needs to make a bronze age and a neolithic age strategy game. I found a mod once that let me wind the clock back to ancient Rome, but I want more

Troy total war is fine nowadays.

Not sure what would be remotely interesting in a paradox bronze age game though. It would be Europa universalis without anything interesting?

You'd need to spend four years before the boat dlc comes out too.

Mans
Sep 14, 2011

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Megamissen posted:

i would really like to see research changed in hoi4
like, the research should be done by design companies rather than them fuctioning as just some bonuses
all the different research options competing for the same slots just feels very gamey (focus trees also have this problem)
it would allow a lot more to be done the research since it would just have to be balanced by category, you could add smaller things like uniforms in Rt56 and not have to chose between that and a new fighter
you could also model the starting situations a lot better than just having different amounts of slots and unlocked techs, like a country could start with competetive tanks but a less advanced tank designer so they will fall behind unless large investments are made
it would also limit cheese like rushing sub4s

wrong
even went into the game files and changed the end date to finish a war againt britain over the control over the great plains as japan

HoI2 sorta had this in that each country had a series of companies which were responsible for research so Germany was really good at chemistry and tanks while the British had fantastic airplane industries and smaller nations had less developed research companies with maybe one or two specialized ones.

Mans
Sep 14, 2011

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

err posted:

are there any good civil war games?

revolution under siege isn't modern but is fantastic.

Mans
Sep 14, 2011

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Well to be fair, Italian ships are really strong in world of warships but I assume that's because the game Devs are vultures that make new lines intentionally overpowered.

For a long time the strongest boats in the game were German and soviet paper models that turned Japanese and American designs into cripples.

Mans
Sep 14, 2011

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

BadOptics posted:

We'll see. I bought their Roman period game (it was so good I can't even remember it's name!) with a bunch of buddies and welp! I do hope it works out though!

that was johann

wiz went crazy due to a EU3 LP and basically created de groundwork for everything that made EU4 fun.

Mans
Sep 14, 2011

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Rome would've been fine if they had just accepted EU4 was in a good place and didn't need to be shoved with increasing amounts of broken DLC

Mans
Sep 14, 2011

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Brandon Proust posted:

it’s a modern paradox game, why the gently caress does anyone give a poo poo

I have to respect Paradox' grind. They had a super complete Crusader Kings 2 that cost hundreds of euros, so they decided to do a graphics revamp and little else and released a 50 euro CK3 along with 60 euros worth of DLC that still have way less content that the previous game.

Victoria looks really good, but I assume the AI will be completely incapable of playing the game, as is modern paradox tradition.

Mans
Sep 14, 2011

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Dreylad posted:

im waiting.

also i like the implication that old paradox games were somehow worth it

EU4 circa Art of War\ Common Sense and HoI2 darkest hour \ arsenal of democracy are pretty drat good.

Mans
Sep 14, 2011

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Maximo Roboto posted:

EU II was the peak. Textbooks over sandboxes. For the Glory ftw

EU2 was a lot of fun to play as random nations and read the events that followed but sometimes you got silly things like collapsing in ruin as Portugal or France because your king died in Morroco (you haven't fought there in 100 years) or due to your terrible Louisiana colonies (you never colonised the area) because they had a hardcoded approach to events.

Still fun, nonetheless.

Mans
Sep 14, 2011

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

gradenko_2000 posted:


it's funny cuz Panzer Corps keeps doing this thing where Germany gets a full blown DLC for every year of the war, and then the entire Soviet experience is one campaign.

This is why Order of Battle and Strategic Mind are cool and Panzer Corps is disappointing.

Mans
Sep 14, 2011

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Danann posted:



I made it in :shrug:.

Successfully reforming the Qing to the PRC otoh well haven't done it yet.

China was basically impossible in Victoria 2 and it would basically break the game if they industrialised because their educated working force would consume the entire world's resources.

But apparently you can obliterate major powers on Vicky 3 by playing small islands with 40 people so...

Mans
Sep 14, 2011

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
HoI4 took years to feel properly solid so i'm not surprised if Vicky will only be a proper complete experience by the end of 2023.

It's not so much that the game is bad, it's just barebones.

Vicky2 is an awful experience and anyone thinking it's superior are crazy. Absolutely awful influence system, awful war mechanics (try to mobilize as russia lol), awful colonization mechanics, barely any diplomatic options.

Game as mediocre, but it was the only game we had.

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Mans
Sep 14, 2011

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Slim Jim Pickens posted:



Everybody's a genius when they play Prussia

Tell that to Wilhelm the second

Mandoric posted:


The world at the end of (the war at the end of) an era.



Those are god awful borders all across the world.

Lostconfused posted:

The follow tweets are great too

https://twitter.com/BadSocialisms/status/1585191012128858113

edit: Also just realized that they meant to read it as "soviet" republic, lol. God I am terrible at word games.


Do you need pharmaceuticals to reach anarchism or am I seeing it wrong?

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