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A Moose posted:I'm trying not to have too high expectations for this. It would be so easy to make it better than the Hobbit trilogy. It doesn't have to be as good as the Lord of the Rings movies, just good enough. This is basically my perspective on the show. I'll watch season 1 with an open mind, and if I enjoy it/don't hate it then I'll continue watching. If it's boring or crap, I'll stop watching and just ignore it. I've enjoyed the books for 30+ years, it's not like that's going to change any time soon. Though I will make an exception for baiting the people who say "oh I just don't want politics in my Tolkien show", asking them exactly what they mean by that (it's always racism).
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So are they gonna be allowed to actually use words like Hyarnostar since they don't have rights to Unfinished Tales or will it all be like "uhh we live in Fanfic Town, Numenor"
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Are those barefoot folk the early Hobbits? Looks like that meteor lands near them. Would that be a catalyst for them to leave their lands and go Westward to avoid any conflicts?
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Mameluke posted:So are they gonna be allowed to actually use words like Hyarnostar since they don't have rights to Unfinished Tales or will it all be like "uhh we live in Fanfic Town, Numenor" I think that they can make references to things but what they can't do is an entire episode about The Fall of Gondolin or something like that. But like, "yeah thousands of years ago there were 2 trees and they whipped rear end" is ok. SyRauk posted:Are those barefoot folk the early Hobbits? Looks like that meteor lands near them. Would that be a catalyst for them to leave their lands and go Westward to avoid any conflicts? They are Harfoots, the first type of hobbit to make the journey west across the misty mountains. the show is pulling their appearance forward by ~1.5k years, but Tolkien never said "the hobbits were created by Eru in 500 of the Third age" so its plausible that Hobbits have likely existed as long as Men have. WoodrowSkillson fucked around with this message at 19:32 on Jul 14, 2022 |
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webmeister posted:I also have a sneaking suspicion that a lot of the super cool First Age stuff like the Oath, the Trees, Kinslaying, Helcaraxe etc is going to be part of a 10-minute background montage in episode 1, similar to how Fellowship starts with the story of the Ring up to Bilbo's party.
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Jul 14, 2022 19:31
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webmeister posted:This is basically my perspective on the show. I'll watch season 1 with an open mind, and if I enjoy it/don't hate it then I'll continue watching. If it's boring or crap, I'll stop watching and just ignore it. I've enjoyed the books for 30+ years, it's not like that's going to change any time soon. Pretty much. If the show sucks, we'll always have the books and the Jackson Trilogy to enjoy, those aren't going anywhere and will be around forever. I want the show to be good, but I'm not gonna set myself up for disappointment and go in expecting the elegance of the Jackson trilogy which I'm not sure could've been done any better. They don't even have the rights to the Silmarillion, just the LOTR appendices.
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CapnAndy posted:Galadriel is nice, but really, really scary powerful. The following is a comprehensive list of characters you see on-screen in any LotR or Hobbit movie who Galadriel could not effortlessly slap right across the horizon: I feel like Gandalf, Saruman, and Elrond would require at least some effort.
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Anshu posted:I feel like Gandalf, Saruman, and Elrond would require at least some effort.
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what's up with these sword handles
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Gresh posted:what's up with these sword handles Actually, those are swaffs. Part sword, part staff.
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CapnAndy posted:Elrond is so much younger than her that she doesn't actually know how much, because there was an extended period there before they invented days that she was around for and he wasn't, and he never saw the Trees. He's an adorable little baby by her standards. CapnAndy posted:As for Gandalf and Saruman, she told the Valar to pound sand to their faces. Two pissant Maia with power limiters on? I doubt she's breaking a sweat. Standing up to the Valar certainly required moral courage (or at least obstinacy, depending on which incident in which version of her history we're discussing), but I'm not convinced it required a great deal of magical power, since the Valar kind of bend over backwards to not force the Children of Iluvatar to do anything.
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Anshu posted:All true, but Elrond is of the line of Luthien, heir of Eldar, Atani, and Ainur, and a Ringbearer; I figure those count for something.
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Hughmoris posted:Actually, those are swaffs. Part sword, part staff. Well now I feel foolish
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Gresh posted:I'm not feeling the way the Numenoreans look tbh. Like most of the costumes here just look look uninspired and even kinda cheap/campy it looks like a bad star trek episode
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YaketySass posted:I hope Annatar get to be a fun character he might be too old now, but back in the 00s after the trilogy came out, I always thought Cillian Murphy would've been perfect as Annatar. Put him in one of Peter Jackson's costumes with long silver or gold hair. 
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CapnAndy posted:Yeah, but I figured "quarter Human" balanced out "quarter Maia" in Elrond's case. Fair enough point on how it's not like the Valar actually took the fight the elves were picking, but I still think she's more than a match for the Istari. Like, do you think she'd be seriously discomfited having to deal with a Balrog? I don't, and that's a Maia who hasn't been forbidden to actually use their power. I think conceptualizing Human heritage as a penalty that cancels and is cancelled by the bonus of Ainu heritage is a mistake. We see over and over again in the legendarium that free and willing cooperation and combination create results that are greater than the sum of their parts. And regarding Galadriel dealing with a Balrod, I do think it would take her serious effort to simply drive one away, and if she intended to kill it, I have difficulty imagining she could do better than Ecthelion or Glorfindel, both of whom were Calaquendi themselves and slew Balrogs only at the cost of their own lives.
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The line about men and their fields of grain again has me wondering where elves get their food from since they apparently aren’t farmers. I think dwarves just trade metal and gems for it?
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Elves probably practice permaculture.
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Pioneer42 posted:Curious how you could know what the Kinslaying is but NOT know Galadriel was around. It’s been ages since I read the Silmarillion. I’m very fuzzy on a lot of the details, especially regarding specific characters, I tend to remember the big events in better detail (Fall of Gondolin, War of Wrath, etc.)
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What is the meteor? Is this something mentioned in the Silmarillion? I don’t know all the lore like a lot of you do.
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Might be Anglachel/Anguirel? That's some pretty deep lore that has no direct impact on anything Second Age though.
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Gonna guess it’s something completely mundane like a trebuchet shot.
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not sure about the costuming, but at least from the trailer its cinematography doesn't look like total dogshit (unlike wheel of time) cautiously hopeful!
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check this out https://lotr.fandom.com/wiki/Elmo
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TAke a look, y'all: https://lotr.fandom.com/wiki/Mungo_Baggins https://lotr.fandom.com/wiki/Bungo_Baggins
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The bar for "new big fantasy show" was set so low after Wheel of Time that this Lotr show actually looks incredibly good compared to it
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Someone didn't watch the Shannara show Note: Everyone.
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Hakkesshu posted:Someone didn't watch the Shannara show The Shannara show at least had the scene where the steampunk hipster town watches Star Trek and boos at Spock because they think he's an elf.
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The trees being in the trailer made me think we were going to get Melkor doing the deal with Ungoliant, and I have been dreaming about seeing that on-screen in some way or another ever since I first heard the story, especially the follow-up with him trying to betray his promise to her and getting so hosed up in the process that his screams wake up the Balrogs who come save his rear end. But based on what the OP says it seems like the show is set after that time and we may only see the trees briefly in a flashback or something which... well.... boo! Still, I'll give this show a chance and hope for the best. Galadriel is certainly an interesting - and terrifying! - enough character to carry a show, if the casting is right.
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My concern is they split the story between too many characters and storylines, especially geographically, with the result over 8 episodes we get a lot of portentous one liners and little real dialogue, plot or character stuff because it’s all spread too thin. Even in a show like the Witcher I think it really suffered cutting back and forth between different storylines in a single episode, it’s a curse of a lot of recent prestige serialised stuff.
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Will they bring in sexy Shelob lady is the question of the hour.
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Gresh posted:what's up with these sword handles They are real big, but historically there were swords like that, for instance the Japanese Nagamaki, and some European 2 handed swords have very big handles, so for a fantasy sword it's not the worst, as long as they actually use them considering that. Omnomnomnivore posted:The line about men and their fields of grain again has me wondering where elves get their food from since they apparently aren’t farmers. Elves had to farm since they existed well before humans and stuff and would have needed food in larger quantities than permaculture and whatnot could provide. Tolkien just never went into agricultural habits of anyone except the hobbits, whom he specifically wanted to frame as pastoral, peaceful farmers. Same for dwarves where nothing is explicitly laid out, but feasts and stuff are mentioned. So either they have surface farms or some dwarvencraft means of farming underground. Tolkien may sometimes go overboard on some details, but he knew not to just go into insane depth of stuff that did not matter to his story.
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Anshu posted:I think conceptualizing Human heritage as a penalty that cancels and is cancelled by the bonus of Ainu heritage is a mistake. We see over and over again in the legendarium that free and willing cooperation and combination create results that are greater than the sum of their parts. And regarding Galadriel dealing with a Balrod, I do think it would take her serious effort to simply drive one away, and if she intended to kill it, I have difficulty imagining she could do better than Ecthelion or Glorfindel, both of whom were Calaquendi themselves and slew Balrogs only at the cost of their own lives.
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Oh man I kind of hope they have just one short clip of a balrog with wings just to make this thread go berserk.
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CapnAndy posted:Elrond is so much younger than her that she doesn't actually know how much, because there was an extended period there before they invented days that she was around for and he wasn't, and he never saw the Trees. He's an adorable little baby by her standards. As for Gandalf and Saruman, she told the Valar to pound sand to their faces. Two pissant Maia with power limiters on? I doubt she's breaking a sweat. Powerwise Galadriel doesn't really stand out from the crowd. She didn't face off with Morgoth or Sauron for example. Meanwhile, Gandalf is the only one to have battled a balrog and survived.
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Alhazred posted:Powerwise Galadriel doesn't really stand out from the crowd. She didn't face off with Morgoth or Sauron for example. Meanwhile, Gandalf is the only one to have battled a balrog and survived. Though it literally killed him as well, so yeah, balrogs are bad news. (Which makes it even more hilarious that you get to stomp one in Shadow of War but hey vidyagames gonna do that).
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Book: nobody has ever heard of mithril except weird loremasters and Dwarves Games: yeah mithril is the universal currency
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BigglesSWE posted:Oh man I kind of hope they have just one short clip of a balrog with wings just to make this thread go berserk. They need to take a leaf from the books and just alternate between wings and no wings in consecutive shots with no explanation or even mentioning that it’s happening. Though as always the PJ version nailed it, with wings made of shadow
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CapnAndy posted:
That doesn't even make her the most powerful elf in Middle-Earth considering that Luthien actually did that while Galadriel was busy chatting with Melian.
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