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i watched the trailer again and it really looks extraordinarily poor. i wasn't expecting much, but it really does look like wish.com tolkien
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I kind of disagree. It looks fine to me, what bothers my broken nerd brain is the squishing of the timelines from thousands of years apart into the same timeframe. I’m terms of visuals I think it looks good, though it doesn’t have that gritty physicality of Jackson’s trilogy, to be sure.
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Jul 17, 2022 12:38
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I think it looks fine, but it's also like... an extreme pastiche of the Jackson LOTR movies. There's nothing really to be gleaned from this trailer other than wow remember those films
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Jul 17, 2022 13:37
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It looks like the live action trailer for a AAA LOTR MMO that isn't Lord of the Rings Online.
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Jul 17, 2022 14:05
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I'd probably be more excited for this if they took inspiration from Tolkien's illustrations rather than Wow This Looks Just Like Alan Howe Again
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Jul 17, 2022 16:27
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Im surprised people here are saying this looks aesthetically similar to the Jackson trilogy...I mean the wide landscape shots look really good, but not much else. I think part of the reason why the fandom's reaction to this has been mixed/negative(not the racists mad about brown people) is that it doesn't look much like Jackson's trilogy which for many has basically become the definitive look of live action Middle Earth for a lot of people, especially normies.
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Jul 17, 2022 17:32
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i dont like the jackson movies either but at least the costumes werent the worst part of them
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Jul 17, 2022 17:39
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I really like the landscapes/establishing shots fwiw. But then I also really liked them in the movies. They do seem to have a bit of a different vibe this time. More detailed, more explicit, less calendar-art, less dreamlike. Just a vague impression of course and I'm probably thinking of different images than others might be.
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Jul 17, 2022 19:05
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Gresh posted:I'm not feeling the way the Numenoreans look tbh. Like most of the costumes here just look look uninspired and even kinda cheap/campy Costume on the right looks like they've raided someone's attic for their Christmas wrapping paper
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Jul 17, 2022 19:24
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That photograph looks kinda Games of Thronesy and not very LOTR
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Jul 17, 2022 20:10
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A layer of film grain will do wonders
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Jul 17, 2022 20:14
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hopefully the show won't look like that, or the numenoreans better had better break into song if they're gonna shoot it like a musical
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Jul 17, 2022 20:33
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Just Chamber posted:Costume on the right looks like they've raided someone's attic for their Christmas wrapping paper Yeah, nothing about that to me says "ancient and advanced powerful kingdom of men that rescued the Elves by completely routing Sauron's armies and forcing him to surrender. Stuff like this is what I imagined the Numenoreans to look like. Citadel guards in Return of the King have a great Numenorean look  Fan art of Ar-Pharazon and Tar-Miriel  For the Numenorean Queens/female royalty, I think something like this would've been cool, just swap out the oranges and yellows for black, silver, and blue/gold. Image is from Ridley Scott's Kingdom of Heaven. 
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Jul 17, 2022 20:43
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the people in that screenshot also look oddly modern. they look like they all work in an office together and were signed up for a team building day at the local improv theatre
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Jul 17, 2022 21:41
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I love LotR but I don’t understand how this costs so much. I don’t think it looks very good and they don’t have any real actors I recognize except some people from CW shows, which is another bad sign. I hope I’m wrong as the time period could be pretty cool but the actors look like they are out of a fan film sometimes.
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Jul 17, 2022 22:28
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Does this show have anyone who could be considered a "showrunner", or was it made from start to finish by a committee?
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We're going to hear a lot of whinging about Mameluke fucked around with this message at 03:40 on Jul 18, 2022 |
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Jul 17, 2022 22:34
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The trailer looks fine, I wasn't expecting it to be as good as the Peter Jackson films. Hell, even Peter Jackson couldn't make another good Lotr movie.
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BoldFace posted:Does this show have anyone who could be considered a "showrunner", or was it made from start to finish by a committee? Yeah, there are two, JD Payne and Patrick McKay, both of whom have been writers for 20+ years but never ran a show or writer's room before, let alone at this scale, so it'll be interesting to see how it goes. There was a big writeup in VF earlier this year about the production and their experience: https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2022/02/amazon-the-rings-of-power-series-first-look e: I forgot they compared themselves to Frodo and Sam, then several other more experienced execs essentially became their Fellowship lol
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There was not a single pure adaptation of his works. Also almost everything past LotR and Hobbit was edited and published after Tolkien die. I dont know if i am the only one who is fine with whatever adaptation comes up. There are many signs saying its not gonna be great, including 4 episodes being directed by wheels of time director (havent watched it, but it was not great from what ive heard). But I am still absolutely looking forward to it. Just dont dwell on hobbits too much please.
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Jul 18, 2022 00:29
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the hobbits in the trailer look like unsufferable "yes milord" stock peasants with muddy faces and dressed in rags
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Mameluke posted:We're going to hear a lot of whinging about the Notion Club if that piece of criticism gets traction That Tolkien movie was surprisingly good, maybe there's something in an adaptation of all JRRT's literary buddies hallucinating about Numenor over ale at the Bird and Baby
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Jul 18, 2022 03:38
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Shibawanko posted:the hobbits in the trailer look like unsufferable "yes milord" stock peasants with muddy faces and dressed in rags its dope that you are continuing this gimmick in another thread
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Jul 18, 2022 03:41
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WoodrowSkillson posted:its dope that you are continuing this gimmick in another thread what gimmick
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I really hope this show doesn’t suck. The Hobbit movies were such a disappointment. IN THREE MOVIES they didn’t even have Bilbo play riddles with Smaug’s smart rear end — imagine how good that moment could been with a good screenwriter, director, and art direction. Please be better than The Hobbit movies, at least. Please.
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Jul 18, 2022 04:37
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MLSM posted:I really hope this show doesn’t suck. Not likely. This adaptation is also expanding a relatively small amount of material into something that's larger than it can bare. Tolkien's work just doesn't work as the type of political drama modern prestige genre tv likes either. It'll be the Laketown + the extra Gandalf portions of the hobbit films.
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Jul 18, 2022 05:29
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Shibawanko posted:what gimmick my man you have irrationally hated any LOTR content besides the books in the Tolkien thread forever
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WoodrowSkillson posted:my man you have irrationally hated any LOTR content besides the books in the Tolkien thread forever i dont though. i actually like most of the games, i was hoping this'd be less bland than the movies but it looks worse. it's not irrational to not like something
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Gresh posted:I'm not feeling the way the Numenoreans look tbh. Like most of the costumes here just look look uninspired and even kinda cheap/campy I don't think it helps that you can clearly see the main dude's wig line.
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fez_machine posted:Not likely. This adaptation is also expanding a relatively small amount of material into something that's larger than it can bare. Not that I'm disagreeing (the show could very well suck), but I would say that the nature of the insufficient-butter-spreading is way different this time. The Hobbit was small because it's a comedic children's book; the Appendices are small because they're a vague outline of thousands of years of political intrigue with hundreds of hinted-at characters. The Hobbit had to be fleshed out by adding dumb action scenes and love interests and pointless complications to an otherwise very straightforward story. With the Second Age they'll have to make up their own character dramas and plotlines, true, but there's a lot more framework to hang it on and a lot less central narrative, I think; it'll be a matter of interpolation rather than extrapolation.
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Data Graham posted:Not that I'm disagreeing (the show could very well suck), but I would say that the nature of the insufficient-butter-spreading is way different this time. The Hobbit was small because it's a comedic children's book; the Appendices are small because they're a vague outline of thousands of years of political intrigue with hundreds of hinted-at characters. yeah, basically all we are doing is critiquing production stills and poo poo until we actually see what they do with the story. it could be godawful writing and be turned off in 15 minutes, or could be ok and fun, we just have to wait till September to find out. the good signs are that in general the costumes and poo poo look decently well done, with embroidery work and whatnot instead of easier, cheaper options. not all fo them look good but its a huge show so we'll see how bad it gets. The sets seem large and well made, with lots of stuff in them to make it look good as opposed to the loving empty rear end sets in the WoT show. I at first hated the Numenorean armor but it does seem like they are intentionally trying to make it seem overdone and busy, hopefully more normal people have less silly stuff on. So there is some attention to detail, and that often indicates the general attitude of the production crew, and it seems they give a poo poo. The people running the show have made it clear they indeed have read and re-read the Silmarillion and other relevant Tolkien works, so changes they make will be done intentionally. That won't make them good, but like with Movie Faramir, the writers thought the character as-is was too perfect and it would be jarring for a film audience for this random new character to refuse the ring. So there hopefully will at least be logic behind changes. for instance the time compression makes sense. trying to write a show wherein you keep making hundred year jumps, and some humans stay alive while others get old, and then new characters show up and are gone in an episode could be real bad for a person with no knowledge of the books.
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It's kind of funny that WoT (the book) very heavily emphasizes its descriptive text on clothes and elaborate costumes and embroidery and physical appearances, whereas LotR is famously all about "landscapes". These promo stills look like if WoT fans made a Tolkien show
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I don't have any problem with the costumes. Ostentatious colourful fabrics are more accurate to the historical societies that are the loose basis for the Numenorians anyway. The popular vision of Greeks and Romans wearing white all the time only owes to eighteenth century people looking at statues that the paint flaked off of. If anything Ar-Pharzon should be wearing a gently caress-off purple robe made from twice as much fabric.
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CommonShore posted:I don't have any problem with the costumes. Ostentatious colourful fabrics are more accurate to the historical societies that are the loose basis for the Numenorians anyway. The popular vision of Greeks and Romans wearing white all the time only owes to eighteenth century people looking at statues that the paint flaked off of. I dont think it's the colours of the fabric. More that they look like crap, like very low budget, local drama production whipped these up in a few hours vibes.
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Hakkesshu posted:I think it looks fine, but it's also like... an extreme pastiche of the Jackson LOTR movies. There's nothing really to be gleaned from this trailer other than wow remember those films Yeah, I said this in the trailer thread, but I find it hilarious that the big nostalgia shot at the end of the trailer is of walking. Gotta play the hits. I wanna like it. I LOVE the Jackson movies. I watched the special features on the 4 discs almost as much as I watched the movies themselves. It's where I started to learn about how movies are made (I don't work in the industry or anything, I just like to pretend I know what I'm talking about). They're the closest I ever came to liking a trilogy as much as Star Wars. I'm definitely going to try it. But nothing I've seen so far is inspiring much hope. As a side note, like, I remember when the Fellowship of the Ring 4 disc special features had a thing on Digital Grading, and what that could do to change how a shot/scene looked like. It blew my loving mind. In my head, you just shot the scene you had, with the exception of lighting. "You can do that to a shot? Or even just one part of a shot? Like, just Orlando Bloom's eyes?" Just to draw your attention one way or another. Storytelling through digital grading. Wild, to college aged me. I wish more movies had indepth BTS stuff like that. Even bad movies. Hell, especially bad movies. edit: Found it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqCT2Jq8o1E Some parts seem basic, now. Some parts still seem like magic. thrawn527 fucked around with this message at 22:28 on Jul 18, 2022 |
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lol @ 2:56 2000s era blue wash digital grading
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thrawn527 posted:Yeah, I said this in the trailer thread, but I find it hilarious that the big nostalgia shot at the end of the trailer is of walking. Gotta play the hits. They even have song about walking in the trailer.
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i don't know why they're bothering aping the visuals when they've clearly embraced the absolute worst of jackson, walsh, and boyens' takes on the dialogue. people will feel that iconic lord of the rings feel with classic lines like "this could be the beginning of a new era"
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Mameluke posted:they've clearly embraced the absolute worst of jackson, walsh, and boyens' takes on the dialogue How do you know this?
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TipTow posted:How do you know this? No Tom Bombadil
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