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Fiacre
Apr 14, 2010

Covering up sex crimes is a little like selling spacebucks for cash when you really think about it!

dragonshardz posted:

no i biomassed after trashing everything that was in an upwell then got my last sub payment back from CCP amd emailed them to delete all my accounts and data

You’ll be back

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Fiacre
Apr 14, 2010

Covering up sex crimes is a little like selling spacebucks for cash when you really think about it!
I was blinded by the sparkles coming off of all the isk that was stuffed in my wallet so I didn’t see all the robotic horse teeth is the most honest mea culpa of any alliance leader ever

Fiacre
Apr 14, 2010

Covering up sex crimes is a little like selling spacebucks for cash when you really think about it!

WilWheaton posted:

I find it hilarious that this is just a loving intel bot that everyone is having a meltdown over

I’ve seen countless times where the in game delve imperium intel channel gets spammed relentlessly by someone misconfiguring their bot setup and everyone just laughs.

This is some fun misdirection and whataboutism.

I guess Elusif did nothing wrong because someone did something else once. I’m convinced. Free Elusif.

Fiacre
Apr 14, 2010

Covering up sex crimes is a little like selling spacebucks for cash when you really think about it!
Baldur’s Gate 3 is a really good game. It has those big floppy medieval hats and gay vampires.

Fiacre
Apr 14, 2010

Covering up sex crimes is a little like selling spacebucks for cash when you really think about it!

FirstnameLastname posted:

lol what is your deal
so far i have seen zero evidence of any rmt happening in gooseflock

gsf however is full of RMT tho, if you put up a market thread of a bunch of any asset easily convertible to liquid, people will PM rmt offers. e v e r y time. since 2005. there's bot intel networks. there's botters in delve, pb, querious. people don't report it.
it's very obvious & you should document and bust it if this really matters to you

I thought goosefleet was formed for the express purpose of not turning a blind eye to the same poo poo that goonfleet had left fester? Splitting hairs over whether it was rmt or just harmless bots, and then making accusations without evidence after making GBS threads on someone for making accusations without evidence has a v familiar pattern to it

Fiacre
Apr 14, 2010

Covering up sex crimes is a little like selling spacebucks for cash when you really think about it!

Solus posted:

Anyway - This is why no-ones gonna take you seriously


https://www.reddit.com/user/Arakkis54/




This you? Math seems to check out

You're very oviously a bad faith dipshit

Fiacre54 is my banned Reddit account. GO DEEPER

Fiacre
Apr 14, 2010

Covering up sex crimes is a little like selling spacebucks for cash when you really think about it!

PhilippAchtel posted:

Hey, Arakkis, the thread isn't closed now.

Gonna come back and explain why covering up sexual assault and what Elusif did is "the same poo poo" in your mind?

Perhaps you'd like to tell us all why Mittani did nothing wrong?

I am so glad most of you have gone back to your normal posting selves.

I was mostly mad that the thread had been closed as it robbed everyone of the dramaposts and entertainment that all of the bittervets that don't play eve still come to this thread for. So here we go, lets see if I can add to it. At the top here I am going to say how wrong I was about Siobhan. She was hyperaggro in the sex pest threadnought, but when the shoe was on the other foot she did not hesitate to just admit fault and step down. loving props. You are awesome and I am sad that you have been driven from the game. I hope you do come back someday.

Ok now to the part that will be quoted and hopefully provide the drama. Many of you, FNLN included, quickly went back to the same bad habits that let a pedophile and misogynist fester in goonfleet for years. Of course video game crimes are not real and have nothing to do with the actual crimes of sexual harassment and child pornography. Conflating those are just a lazy posting trick and are about as bad faith as you can get. Don't do that please. What is actually concerning is how quickly people started to actually earnestly defend botting and/or RMT because it was "their side" under attack. Goons especially tend to get tribal as gently caress when their posting friends come under attack. It is actually ironic that FNLN did it here because he and Cryo are basically the whole reason the beekeepers were established to oversee leadership and keep them from sweeping problems under the rug. So, the only thing that sexual harassment in goonfleet and botting in goosfleet have in common are that leadership turned a blind eye to activities they knew were wrong. That is the ONLY thing I meant when I responded to FNLN. I am sure folks like deadtear could blow you hair back with stories of things that have been swept under the rug that we will never hear about. Hell, the stories about digi doxxing people and russians cutting the power to houses to kill titans are bad enough, and those were made public. It makes me sad that my space tribe has been a party to driving vulnerable people from the game because they were not supported when they should have been. It may be slippery slope nonsense, but I am afraid that there is not as much distance as we would like from turning a blind eye to botting and turning a blind eye to real misbehavior from people we interact with in video games and forums. Please tell me why I am a loving idiot below thanks.

Fiacre fucked around with this message at 21:25 on Sep 3, 2023

Fiacre
Apr 14, 2010

Covering up sex crimes is a little like selling spacebucks for cash when you really think about it!

FirstnameLastname posted:

✓i didn't defend elusif's behavior or deny anything. i said that I, personally, as a person who wasn't ever in any of the leadership, and only active ingame through trading and on discord sometimes, didn't see any mention of elusif or anyone else botting, I was confirming what siobh had mentioned, that he was doing legit stuff that was making a lot of money, which made me assume that he was just playing the game this time & had a bigass skillfarm. i didn't know the entire intel thing it looks like it came about around right when my house was filled with yellowjackets and i haven't been active much since then bc irl

No, you said rmt which I don't think anyone posted evidence of elusif doing, this time. Here:

FirstnameLastname posted:

lol what is your deal
so far i have seen zero evidence of any rmt happening in gooseflock

gsf however is full of RMT tho, if you put up a market thread of a bunch of any asset easily convertible to liquid, people will PM rmt offers. e v e r y time. since 2005. there's bot intel networks. there's botters in delve, pb, querious. people don't report it.
it's very obvious & you should document and bust it if this really matters to you

That's fine. nbd, but then you went into whataboutism nonsense with your evidence consisting of people buying things in 2005. It is a posting tactic that goes something like:

*gets accused of x*

Our group has never done y

In fact I have seen the other group doing y all the time

I just don't get why your weigh in this time consisted of defending the goose and attacking goonswarm when there have been pages of accountability and accountability is what led to the great goose-goon schism. Without you and cryo posting the amber herd and other vile poo poo chatlogs, mittani might still be running goonswarm. FNLN always gets his so like accountability is your thing?

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✓ what's up with the contrast between the two bolded sections lol. i seriously don't get what you're going for with this

Turning a blind eye is the important part. Leadership in alliances have to operate with compartmentalization of video game information so the space enemies don't get intelligence they can use to win fights. That means only a select few people are privy to sensitive information which could consist of video game stuff but it also sometimes is accusations of misbehavior. Compartmentalization allows for things that might be embarrassing to be handled with no weigh in from anyone but the select few that get to make all the decisions. This leads to even good people making bad decisions:

dragonshardz posted:

and then we suddenly got successful by accident, but having not looked gift horses in the mouth before...we kept not asking.

Siobhan clarified this a bit in another post, but it still shows that while gooseswarm leadership can make mistakes, there is some real accountability. So why am I still making posts about this? Correct me if I am wrong anyone, but the info on xenuria came out 10+ years ago. The conclusion at the time was that they couldn't prove it was him that made the CSA posts in question so they... stopped asking. There is no comparison whatsoever between misogyny/pedophilia and video game stuff. But the mechanisms of keeping any of it a secret are the same.

Fiacre
Apr 14, 2010

Covering up sex crimes is a little like selling spacebucks for cash when you really think about it!

ded posted:

mittani pinged out the info about the pest to all of gsf. he knew about it. he gloated about it. then he decided to go from "hey this guy is a sexpest" to "hey i'm going to use this sexpest to pest other people because i am very smart and then ignore if anyone brings it up and protect my special boy"

Not the sexpest stuff. There were accusations of xenuria posting child porn under another name on some forum. No one could confirm it was him until he finally admitted in 10 years later.

Fiacre
Apr 14, 2010

Covering up sex crimes is a little like selling spacebucks for cash when you really think about it!

hailthefish posted:

Nothing in goose was "kept secret" lmao, also I love this thing where you say "they're not comparable and it's wrong to compare them, now let me directly equate them"

This is really loving stupid stop it

Fiacre
Apr 14, 2010

Covering up sex crimes is a little like selling spacebucks for cash when you really think about it!
Have you gone through my reddit posting history yet? Find anything fun?

Fiacre
Apr 14, 2010

Covering up sex crimes is a little like selling spacebucks for cash when you really think about it!
I want to thank whomever gave me this glorious avatar but I feel something this good is wasted on me.

grumplestiltzkin posted:

please keep trying to post through this lmao:munch:

Don’t you worry.

Fiacre
Apr 14, 2010

Covering up sex crimes is a little like selling spacebucks for cash when you really think about it!

What happened to the groomswarm website? It had all of this info well documented.

Fiacre
Apr 14, 2010

Covering up sex crimes is a little like selling spacebucks for cash when you really think about it!

Potato Salad posted:

In what way is it improper to characterize your post as a comparison of denying years of sex pest evidence to someone denying they knew a former member was a botter? Please, if you feel that someone else is putting words in your mouth when claiming that you said "no you can't compare them" right before comparing them, the report button is right there. Justice is just a few clicks away, if you genuinely think this way and aren't just trying to deflect stupidly.

My point is unequivocally restated in the last two sentences of my long post. The only similarity is the secrecy by which both are kept from membership. Goonswarm setup the beekeepers to expressly separate the video game stuff from the real stuff. Anyone saying I equate the two beyond that are doing so just to make an actual bad faith comparison. I am happy to let people show their true selves.

Fiacre
Apr 14, 2010

Covering up sex crimes is a little like selling spacebucks for cash when you really think about it!
See? Thanks guys. Way to be on the ball.

Fiacre
Apr 14, 2010

Covering up sex crimes is a little like selling spacebucks for cash when you really think about it!

PuppiesAndKitties posted:

You’re a gross sex pest enabler, please go away.

Here you go. This is the crescendo. Fully put me on the side of people who committed a crime and attack me for that. You know, despite me praising the transparency that would prevent something like that from being hidden again. I am sorry I made you so mad that you went here, but maybe take a step back and look at how gross you are being right now.

Fiacre
Apr 14, 2010

Covering up sex crimes is a little like selling spacebucks for cash when you really think about it!

Fiacre
Apr 14, 2010

Covering up sex crimes is a little like selling spacebucks for cash when you really think about it!

Furnok Dorn posted:

fiacre did you have some sort of phineas gate style incident when a chunk of 4chan exploded and lodged itself in your head or what

It’s Phineas Gage and lol. More like a lovely triforce of 4chan, Reddit, and SA.

Fiacre
Apr 14, 2010

Covering up sex crimes is a little like selling spacebucks for cash when you really think about it!

Zoya posted:

honestly surprised fiacre hasn't eaten a perma yet, this guy sucks

Why would I get banned for people making up a different point than I made and then attacking it?

Fiacre
Apr 14, 2010

Covering up sex crimes is a little like selling spacebucks for cash when you really think about it!

PhilippAchtel posted:

What the gently caress is that take? Whoever posted that is a real piece of poo poo...

Wait, is that you, Fiacre?

Yeah that one really was slippery slope nonsense. I was wrong there.

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Fiacre
Apr 14, 2010

Covering up sex crimes is a little like selling spacebucks for cash when you really think about it!
lol ok I’m ready to shut the gently caress up for a while. Do we want to head over to the other thread and I won’t post? Deal?

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