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Yes it’s fine to take inspiration from real life events. They used things that happened to make it feel real but the event is made up. The Travis the chimp story has a longer, sadder back story which involves the death of a loved one, depression, neglect, and giving an animal medications it shouldn’t have. Gordy just got spooked by some balloons and went apeshit (lol) The events are very different except both involved a chimp and ended in people being hurt.
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:I love Nope but it's also important to examine media, especially one where of the themes is exploitation of tragedy. ...okay am I the only one looking at Mary Jo's veil like...
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CelticPredator posted:The events are very different except both involved a chimp and ended in people being hurt. The events are different but the image of Mary Jo is very similar to Nash is my point, it's drawing on her tragedy. And it's not like she's a long-dead historical figure, she's still alive and was still undergoing reconstructive surgeries as late as 2011. Ghost Leviathan posted:...okay am I the only one looking at Mary Jo's veil like... drat, I never caught that, the billowing fabric echoing Jean Jacket's unfolding Gravitas Shortfall fucked around with this message at 13:42 on Sep 20, 2022 |
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Ghost Leviathan posted:...okay am I the only one looking at Mary Jo's veil like... 
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:I love Nope but it's also important to examine media, especially one where of the themes is exploitation of tragedy. Is it appropriate to draw such parallels to a real person's situation for the purposes of entertainment? Yes. Nash's opinion matters as much as the next person. She doesn't have ownership over anything in the film. If it's complicated I don't know what the complication is
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Peele's drawing obvious parallels between between the two. Does that rise to the level of exploitation? Does the content and the message impact whether drawing the parallel is exploitative? I don't really think Nope comes across as an exploitation movie and I don't personally think anything in the messaging makes it exploitative either. I do think it's interesting to think about whether Peele has become the thing he's railing against, creating spectacle and hanging entertainment on a real tragedy, and whether or not that was part of the point.
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forest spirit posted:Nash's opinion matters as much as the next person. She doesn't have ownership over anything in the film. If it's complicated I don't know what the complication is I mean the complication is that if someone based a character on you and an extremely traumatic event that left you blind and disfigured you might have a few things to say about it (and I think your opinion would matter more than some rando), but... Baron von Eevl posted:I don't really think Nope comes across as an exploitation movie and I don't personally think anything in the messaging makes it exploitative either. I do think it's interesting to think about whether Peele has become the thing he's railing against, creating spectacle and hanging entertainment on a real tragedy, and whether or not that was part of the point. ...this sums up my thoughts on the whole thing. No-one's cancelling Peele, it's just a discussion point, because Nope is a crazy good movie that warrants analysis and discussion.
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This is an interesting discussion since the characters describe capturing the entity as the "Oprah shot" and Oprah's the one who asked Nash to reveal her face and the extent of her horrific injuries on her show.
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My biggest problem with this line of discourse is how heavy handed the word exploit is being used. Is any reference in film to a tragic real life event exploitation?
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TheBizzness posted:Is any reference in film to a tragic real life event exploitation? I think that's the question. Is it? Is it only exploitation if it's crass? Is it possible to say something sympathetic and still have it be exploitative just because it's a big Hollywood summer blockbuster?
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:I mean the complication is that if someone based a character on you and an extremely traumatic event that left you blind and disfigured you might have a few things to say about it (and I think your opinion would matter more than some rando), but... I think everyone would be interested in hearing what she thought of the movie but aside from that this discussion seems cumbersome. All art is exploitative.
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TheBizzness posted:My biggest problem with this line of discourse is how heavy handed the word exploit is being used. Is any reference in film to a tragic real life event exploitation? Yes
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Groovelord Neato posted:This is an interesting discussion since the characters describe capturing the entity as the "Oprah shot" and Oprah's the one who asked Nash to reveal her face and the extent of her horrific injuries on her show. drat, that's a deep cut
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ruddiger posted:Yes I sincerely disagree, or we have different definitions of the word exploit. If the movie had centered on Mary Jo and the chimp attack then I would agree it was exploitation.
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:drat, that's a deep cut Possibly reading too much into it but I would ask Peele about the connection if I got the chance.
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It’s a worthwhile discussion but if anyone is going to poo-poo any film that references, portrays, or utilizes real world tragedy you are essentially disarming every artists ability to process the world they live in. It can quickly become a can they vs. should they discussion but pretending these references don’t happen constantly in all forms of fiction is bizarre.
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I think that denying the films roots in exploitation is not only more damaging, it’s attempting to obfuscate the truth of history. No one is trying to poo poo on your lols by pointing out this movie has ties to real world tragedies, but denying the movie’s ties to those realities is tantamount to rewriting the origins of these stories. I also think Peele is aware of all these pitfalls, which is why he wrote it into the bones of this movie.
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ruddiger posted:I think that denying the films roots in exploitation is not only more damaging, it’s attempting to obfuscate the truth of history. No one is trying to poo poo on your lols by pointing out this movie has ties to real world tragedies, but denying the movie’s ties to those realities is tantamount to rewriting the origins of these stories. Not sure how you got that from my post- I’m specifically saying that this move, like so much of fiction, is tied to real life events/tragedy, nothing is created in a vacuum, and that is a valid expression of the artists free will to do so not something I would attempt to change or deny. I was referring that original weird aggro-post that seemingly dismissed the whole film because of that particular reference WeaponX fucked around with this message at 18:36 on Sep 20, 2022 |
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Considering how layered Peele's movies are, there's no way the Charla Nash references are a coincidence in a movie that hinges on getting "the Oprah shot."
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live with fruit posted:Considering how layered Peele's movies are, there's no way the Charla Nash references are a coincidence in a movie that hinges on getting "the Oprah shot." I don’t think anyone is debating this
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The issue here is that people are debating whether or not a thing is exploitative without delineating whether they mean exploitation in the literal sense (to make use of a resourse) or the ethical sense (to use a situation or a person in a selfish/unfair way).
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idk if anyone has listened to Hideo Kojima's new podcast on Spotify "Brain Structure" but Kojima was such a big fan of Nope his second episode was all about it although he doesn't get too much detail into it because of spoilers, so he kinda talks about UFOs for most of it. However, the next episode is rumored to have Jordan Peele on it. According to the closing promo, "someone" got in touch with Kojima related to the subject of the second episode and it's likely Peele since Kojima expressed a great admiration of Peele's oeuvre and Kojima has all his Hollywood director contacts.
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Kojima/Peele is absolutely a team-up I want to see.
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Young Freud posted:idk if anyone has listened to Hideo Kojima's new podcast on Spotify "Brain Structure" but Kojima was such a big fan of Nope his second episode was all about it although he doesn't get too much detail into it because of spoilers, so he kinda talks about UFOs for most of it. Seems likely https://twitter.com/HIDEO_KOJIMA_EN/status/1570217827055050752?s=20&t=U919bjxiHgal4QtdF2wkmA
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Oh dang a Kojima podcast? Nice. I kind of dislike when podcasts won’t talk about spoilers. If I’m going to listen to a long discussion then let’s get into it. Otherwise it’s basically an ad.
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Do you think Kojima just skipped to the end like he did with Better Call Saul.
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The whole faux-nostalgia deal of things like Kid Sheriff and Gordy's Home is always interesting. It's a very tricky thing especially when you're not just making an obviously recognisable but legally distinct riff on something. I think they both seem about a decade too late in the timeline for what they're going for, as has been discussed before; Gordy's Home definitely would be the last gasp of the 80s gimmick sitcom, which I'm sure there's a lot of discussion to be had about why they died out (Though probably mostly because they were never very good) and from what we see of Kid Sheriff, it kinda looks like a riff on Goonies? Though I suppose a kids adventure movie that's merchandised right up the rear end is a lot more 90s plausible.
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Kid Sheriff could have easily been a 2000s era Robert Rodriguez kid movie a la Spy Kids.
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Spy Kids has always been its own weird little niche honestly.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:The whole faux-nostalgia deal of things like Kid Sheriff and Gordy's Home is always interesting. It's a very tricky thing especially when you're not just making an obviously recognisable but legally distinct riff on something. I think they both seem about a decade too late in the timeline for what they're going for, as has been discussed before; Gordy's Home definitely would be the last gasp of the 80s gimmick sitcom, which I'm sure there's a lot of discussion to be had about why they died out (Though probably mostly because they were never very good) and from what we see of Kid Sheriff, it kinda looks like a riff on Goonies? Though I suppose a kids adventure movie that's merchandised right up the rear end is a lot more 90s plausible. Similar idea. I really think I'm happier thinking that Nope takes place 5 to 10 years ago. It explains why there's a full-stocked Fry's Electronics. "Gordy's Home" feels like an early FOX show where they were just throwing anything at the wall to see if it stuck. Like aired in that Sunday night timeslot after NFL (and thus prone to being pre-empted) and before The Simpsons. "Kid Sheriff" feels more similar to 3 Ninjas where it might have been a modest success theatrically, had a bigger impact on home video, but, like most kid's entertainment, is formulaic and largely forgettable. I would have no doubt that Em and OJ saw "Kid Sheriff" off of basic cable TV, like they did not see that movie theatrically. But, after the "Gordy's Home" incident, there's suddenly a huge interest in it because Jupe survived.
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Kid Sheriff makes sense as a touchstone for OJ and Em because it probably involved horse stunts and released around the time they began to take an interest in their dad's job.
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In their world, the late 80s and early 90s were ruled by cowboys, not ninjas.
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Might also just be that Kid Sheriff gives me huge Fallout vibes. Like, the kind of in-universe Old World mascot and merchandise you'd see in a Fallout game.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Might also just be that Kid Sheriff gives me huge Fallout vibes. Like, the kind of in-universe Old World mascot and merchandise you'd see in a Fallout game. I didn't make that connection, but now that you've brought it up I suddenly realize I completely agree. There would probably be a side quest you could do to get a Kid Sheriff outfit and a custom Kid Sheriff gun.
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:I didn't make that connection, but now that you've brought it up I suddenly realize I completely agree. [X] Signal for Jupe IX to come meet you. [X] Check the office. [ ] Examine the sky for smoke.
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Currently on vacation with my family in Missouri at a place called Big Cedar Lodge and none of us have seen a single black person since we got here. I feel like I might be an incidental bad guy in a Jordan Peele movie.
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quote:Born in Kingston upon Thames, England, at the age of 20 he emigrated to the United States as a bookseller, first to New York City, and eventually to San Francisco. In 1860, he planned a return trip to Europe, and suffered serious head injuries in a stagecoach crash in Texas en route.[2][3] He spent the next few years recuperating in Kingston upon Thames, where he took up professional photography, learned the wet-plate collodion process, and secured at least two British patents for his inventions.[2] He returned to San Francisco in 1867, a man with a markedly changed personality. In 1868, he exhibited large photographs of Yosemite Valley, and began selling popular stereographs of his work.
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I used to live by Kingston. It’s alright.
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The poster for Kid Sheriff reminded me of Holes. I think Gordy’s Home being a relic when it was made also works for the film. It wasn’t even a good show or really worth making.
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