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Baron von Eevl
Jan 24, 2005

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The max is only $750k though.

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Baron von Eevl
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Not doom posting, but he won't. I hope CT ends up being a higher figure, and that there is some fallout from the phone, and that other families decide to go after him too, but all that is iffy and none of it is going to result in him being broke.

Baron von Eevl
Jan 24, 2005

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Is it probatable to go with one of the r/relationships thread's standby punishments?

Baron von Eevl
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Digital Jedi posted:

"We the jury send Alex Jones to .....The Phantom Zone for all eternity"

You know I've never noticed it before but Dr Krieger does look a lot like Zod.

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MrMojok posted:

I haven’t been keeping up. Did we ever figure out what actually will happen with the cap?

This &45 million isn’t really going to be reduced to $750,000 is it?

So step 1 is yes, step 2 is her plaintiff's attorney intends to argue "nuh-uh" and that the cap is unconstitutional, including before the supreme courts of Texas and the US, step 3 is that it probably won't work but should keep alex sweating slightly more than usual for a while.

Baron von Eevl
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Stoatbringer posted:

So if you've found out about this rule by being a juror previously, you can't be a juror again (in a damages case)?

"We reject Juror #7 because SHE HAS THE FORBIDDEN KNOWLEDGE!"

You can reject a potential juror for any reason, or literally no reason, as long as there is another potential juror that could be picked instead.

Baron von Eevl
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My MIL served on a federal grand jury for like 1.5 years.

Baron von Eevl
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Prior to reality collapsing in on itself a few years back, conspiracy theorists tended to be people who broadly thought they were smarter than everyone else; I can see through the bullshit and put the pieces together in a way normal people can't. On top of genuine conspiracy theorists there were the kind who had listened to Art Bell because they love wacky poo poo like Bigfoot and ghosts and psychic powers because it was silly and transgressive. Jones had a smaller audience back then but it included both of those types; true believers and people just there for entertainment.

Baron von Eevl
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There's also a thing about how white people were invented by an ancient evil scientist to destroy true humans. It's more than a black power movement, it's an explicitly black supremacist movement that is also extremely antisemitic.

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teen witch posted:

I’ll be honest, I kept thinking “Brian Setzer” as in Stray Cats or Jump Jive an’ Wail.

Gay Frog Strut

Baron von Eevl
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Wild Armpit Perspiration

Baron von Eevl
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Cthulu Carl posted:

I've seen it and would you believe Alex Jones's middle name was originally "The Islamic Shock Superallah"?

Race: curiously crimson

Baron von Eevl
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I used to work at a store that sold the My Pillow way before the lawsuits and trump bullshit and just from the image on the box I assumed he was a southern dandy type, with a gentle Carolinian accent. First time I heard him actually speak it was like he was saying "ain't got time to sleep" or like he was going to proclaim his pillow would make you a goddamn sexual tyrannosaurus. It threw me for a bit of a loop.

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FoolyCharged posted:

My memory of HIPPA is that it doesn't even ban who you can send data to. Sending privileged health information is blanket banned by default, HIPPA just explicitly tells patient care providers who they CAN send that info to in the interest of the patients well being.

It's HIPAA not HIPPA but more or less, covered entities are restricted in how they can collect and disclose identifiers connected to health information, and authorization is generally required for those. You authorize a hospital to collect and use your information, and potentially to disclose it for things like research purposes. HIPAA waivers for research are a thing, but they generally require researchers to talk about why they can't get authorization in the first place ("we're looking at records from 10,000 patients from a 15 year period to find relevant cases"), why that's the minimum necessary to accomplish their goals ("because this is rare and we need to comb through 10,000 records to find enough to be statistically significant") and explain how they'll be protecting confidentiality ("we're going to put this on an unsecured, unprotected usb drive with tons of other unrelated data and just give the whole thing to anyone who needs anything that might be on it").

Baron von Eevl
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crime fighting hog posted:

Kinda surprised he never tried to run for office but when you have a cash cow

Yeah I think Jones was too wacky for politics early on, and then by the time politics caught up to how crazy his bullshit is he was making far, far more than her ever could as a politician. The job is also in a sense more secure in that he didn't have to face elections ever.

I also don't think he necessarily wants "power" in the way that most people who pursue politics do, and while I think he believes a lot of his own crazy bullshit I don't think he believes that only he could fix the legislative issues he believes in. He thinks he's most effective right where he is, helping people see what he sees.

Baron von Eevl
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teen witch posted:

Heads up everyone, CSAM is the more preferred term for what is known as CP.

I completely get why this is the preference but every time I see the preferred acronym here I misread it as C-SPAM.

Baron von Eevl
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Last time I got called for jury duty I went in to it thinking like "I'm gonna have a real high bar for convicting, they're gonna really have to work to make me believe the cops aren't just railroading some poor sod" and then it was a cop who was accused of abusing and stalking his ex wife and I was just like "oh yeah that fucker did it" just from them laying out what he was accused of.

Baron von Eevl
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There's an obvious difference between "a bunch of nutjobs started calling me at work to scream that I'm a liar" and "a bunch of nutjobs started calling me at work to scream that I'm a liar about my dead son, the light of my life, saying he never existed and that I'm a government agent trying to hurt them." It's important to establish how much they were hurting already to understand the cruelty of what Jones did, it creates context.

Baron von Eevl
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The thing is the jury has already been instructed that yes he did definitely say that. This is entirely about determining how bad it was that he said it, not if he said it.

Baron von Eevl
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It's just impulse control issues, everything he does. Is just unmanaged ADD and he self medicates with stimulants made from beetroot and bill testicle extract.

Baron von Eevl
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Malachite_Dragon posted:

Having issues does not absolve him of the consequences of his actions.

Yeah, definitely. I'm sure glad you pointed out that it's not a thing that no one said!

Baron von Eevl
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Deptfordx posted:

Oh. So he is still doing shows intoxicated. He's now just so hardened an alcoholic you can't really tell anymore.

Edit: I remember when I was young, an older friend of mine had a buddy turn up to run a RPG game, vaguely Aliens themed.

I don't remember a thing about the game. I do remember this guy plowing through an entire bottle of Port and a 4 pack of those super-strong 10%-ish Lagers.

You could barely tell he'd been drinking by the time we wrapped up.

This was a few months before he had one of those 'You need to stop drinking, or you're going to die' conversations with his doctor.

Yeah my friend had a bad problem, he'd hang out with us and drink with us, but what we didn't know is literally every time we hung out he'd be extremely drunk before showing up and you could never tell. He woke up one day days a hospital and had to stay there for a week or so, he's now at the "literally one drink could kill you" phase.

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The Fuzzy Hulk posted:

So is this not capped at all like the last one was?

Correct, normally it would be capped but there's a loophole that has to do with the fact that he was profiting off the lies by selling beetroot boner pills or whatever I think making it fall under unfair business practices.

Baron von Eevl
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Borscht posted:

ianal but I think it covers the future damages from what he already said

So, in effect, consequences of his past lies that have not happened yet, but not covering any future lies. Correct?

Baron von Eevl
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If Jones ever were to be involved in a shootout, either like that tax evading friend of his or as a mass shooter, there's basically no way he wouldn't be broadcasting it and yelling through the whole thing.

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LifeSunDeath posted:

scion Jones cells claiming everything in the physical world is a potemkin village.

This just makes me think of HeLa cells loving up labs everywhere.

Baron von Eevl
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He might still go to prison for multitude of crimes he's committed and will continue to commit.

Baron von Eevl
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Jones has no doubt committed several financial crimes that could very well be uncovered during his bankruptcy hearing. Fraud is a crime too.

Baron von Eevl
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Yeah, the few people I know who got into infowars are people who will ignore anything because all input is immediately interpreted in a very specific way that has nothing to do with how anyone else would interpret it, and they've always been like that.

It's kind of like body dysmorphia in that it doesn't matter what the person actually looks like, they see themselves a certain way. It didn't matter that this person is crying when talking about their dead child, they're lying and an actor. If it wasn't that it would be something else, "this person isn't actually just giving me directions, they somehow know about my erectile dysfunction and are subtly making fun of me for it."

Baron von Eevl
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To be fair Elon really didn't want to spend that much on Twitter and tried very hard to not have to do it. He's an idiot that make a meme purchase offer for a joke and then twitter accepted it and he realized that it was legally binding.

Baron von Eevl
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I kind of feel like he's going to be the go-to lawyer for Jones' listeners, like they'll fight for him to cover their lawsuit against their children for not letting them see their grandchildren.

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Troubadour posted:



Aside from that, one of the wonks on the KF reddit has been scouring the Connecticut court records, and he found a doozy.

https://civilinquiry.jud.ct.gov/DocumentInquiry/DocumentInquiry.aspx?DocumentNo=21789095

This is the deposition of Rob Jacobson. I had better stuff to do, but I was glued to it for hours yesterday. Really made me angry, quite sympathetic to Jacobson, and there are some real quotes in there that are worth finding. Especially towards the end.

Incredible.

Baron von Eevl
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Oh my yes. There's a whole section about how Jones spent years calling this guy "beefcake" because he accidentally showed Alex Jones some beefcake porn, and this guy has thus made the accusation that Jones was grooming him for gay sex.

Baron von Eevl
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Y'all should really, really read that deposition. It's a former employee and video editor for Jones who worked for him for something like 13 years, and was mostly a true believer. He was a fan of Jones when he first met him in the early 2000s.

This is a guy who happily edited videos for Jones about 9/11 being a conspiracy, about the atrocities Obama was going to commit, all that jazz. This guy was looking for embarrassing photos of Hilary to add to the video they were doing about her, and was excited he found one they didn't already have when it turned out it was actually a link to a gay porn website, and only clicked on it the exact moment he excitedly called his boss, Alex Jones, over to see. Okay, that's pretty embarrassing and yes, it's hilarious. Jones then proceeded to call this guy Beefcake for years because of this. He and a buddy went into this guy's office and put gay porn on his monitors as a prank. The deposed video editor believes earnestly that this means Jones was grooming him for a relationship.

Later Jones' lawyer asks him about an accusation that he "screamed that [another employee] was a lizard monster in disguise" and the guy they deposed denies that he yelled at this guy, but not that he believes in lizard monsters.

Anyway even this psycho had limits, and got fired after raising concerns that their reporting on Sandy Hook was improper and that David Duke wasn't being challenged by anyone else in the office.

So this guy's a nut, but somehow less of a nut than Jones, right?

Jones' attorney takes the tactic of calling out inconsistencies in his linkedin profile as evidence that he doesn't have a photographic memory and thus that nothing he says can be trusted, and by demanding that he search his phone email in front of them (on zoom) for random things because he thinks that by this guy bringing his phone which could hypothetically access files he has thus physically brought files with him and they're all fair game for the deposition. They get the judge on the line and the transcript does not include what that sounded like, but when they come back Jones' lawyer continues to ask the deposed to search his phone for stuff while saying "I mean I guess you don't have to, although you are under oath, but I suppose you technically could not do that, I mean if you're not an honest person" while Mattei is screaming in the background "the Judge JUST TOLD YOU you can't do that!"

Baron von Eevl
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I also like the part where the deponent refers to Mr. Wolman as Mr. Wolfman.

Baron von Eevl
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He talks about how he filed a grievance and the agency apparently refused to make a judgment either way.

Alex's lawyer believes this means they found in Jones' favor, the video guy says that's not what the paper says but he lost the paper, Jones' lawyer asks him where he lost it, "if I knew that it wouldn't be lost," etc etc.

Baron von Eevl
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The part I'm really intrigued by, there's a redacted section talking about some kind of procedure that Alex may or may not have paid for this guy to have. It's something that they refer to with a long name and occasionally a short name. My money's on "cosmetic rhinoplasty" and "nose job."

Baron von Eevl
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Alex would have shut the resonator off immediately once it started projecting pink light.

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Didn't Jones grow up rich?

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Baron von Eevl
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Sell a billion in debt to collections, but sell $100k each to 10,000 different agencies.

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