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In the modern American wrestling landscape, media rights deals are the crown jewel. WWE's current era of massive profits that has let them become completely bulletproof and wildly successful no matter how watchable their shows are is a result of them licensing their content to TV networks like USA Network and FOX and their PPVs (sorry, Premium Live Events) to streaming service Peacock. It probably wouldn't be a stretch to say that Tony Khan saw WWE signing these massive billion dollar deals and thought to himself "well, I'd like a billion dollars and I enjoy a bit of The Wrestle." and that, combined with noticing a gap in the market that WWE wasn't servicing (epitomized by the interest in Kenny Omega vs. Chris Jericho at New Japan Pro Wrestling's Wrestle Kingdom 12 and the independent wrestling supershow All In) is why AEW was born. The goal for AEW has always been to float along and run at a loss for the first few years with Shahid Khan's investment covering their costs, grow their ratings with the hardcore wrestling fans and lapsed wrestling fans that weren't getting what they wanted from WWE and then cash in big time once they'd become a proven commodity in the TV world. Now AEW has zig-zagged that plan a bit by proving themselves to be a ratings drawing product faster than pretty much everybody expected and their television partner has zig-zagged everybody by going through a gigantic merger that's sending ripples throughout the entertainment landscape as we speak. But we're still arriving at more-or-less the planned destination at pretty much the planned time. AEW is going to begin negotiating their next TV deal soon. But things have gotten a LOT more complicated than they were three years ago. Let's break it all down. AEW's TV Deals So Far: A Brief History of Beating The poo poo Out of NXT: AEW's first TV deal was with WarnerMedia to air a two hour show, AEW Dynamite, on one of their flagship cable networks, TNT, at 8 PM every Wednesday night. It was Wednesday night. And you knew what that meant. The deal had Warner covering AEW's production costs (about $500,000 per episode) and giving them a split of ad revenue. It was essentially a modest "prove it" deal to see if AEW could meet Warner's expectations. It didn't take AEW very long to prove it. Even with competition across the dial from NXT on the USA Network, AEW Dynamite, was an instant ratings success, blowing away TNT's expectations of around 500,000 total viewers and a .20-ish in the 18-49 demo. Warner very quickly realized that they might have to pay a significant bill for AEW if they let it get out onto the open market and had to deal with outbidding people to keep it around, so in January of 2020, they signed AEW to a 4-year extension.  AEW's new TV deal consisted of the following: - A 4-year deal for 175 million dollars (AAV of just under 45 million). - A network option for 2024 at "significantly increased money". - A second 1-hour show on one of Warner's networks. - Warner no longer paying production costs. So minus production costs, the deal turned out to be an increase of around 20 million dollars per year, but more importantly, it locked down AEW's relationship with Warner through 2023 and probably 2024. This was fruitful for AEW for many reasons (and one very big one we'll get into in a moment) - first and foremost, it gave them stability. It showed they were going to stick around. WWE's attempt to counterprogram them with NXT had failed about as miserably as it possibly could, which would send ol' Paul Levesque on his own journey that basically ended with him getting fired in disgrace but then somehow actually ended with him running creative for the entire company? It's a marathon, not a sprint. With that stability, WWE basically conceded they couldn't get rid of AEW and thus it was probably pretty stupid to keep paying people that didn't wanna work in their company anymore to keep being there and do absolutely nothing just to keep them away from AEW. This led to some talent such as Brodie Lee and FTR that had long been requesting their releases finally getting them, and AEW had the money to sign these people. The increase in money and increase in talent budget allowed AEW to start adding incredibly valuable depth to their roster, so it was very good for AEW. But at the time, this deal was mostly seen as a savvy one on Warner's part. They had locked down a hot new TV property that was drawing very good ratings and kicked the can of a potential bidding war down the road a good five years. AEW probably could've gotten more money if they'd just waited out the end of their first deal, they probably could've gotten way more on the open market, be that from Warner or from somebody else. But for the aforementioned reasons of stability and an increased talent budget, they played it safe and stuck with Warner. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z90tgUgRjKI And then a global pandemic happened. So it's probably a good thing they played it safe! Fun fact, I'm pretty sure this is close to the last time, ever, that Cody interacted with the Elite. So, as it turned out, Warner's savvy move to avoid a bidding war turned out to be the lifeline that AEW desperately needed to carry it through a year and a half of shows at Daily's Place in Jacksonville with few-to-no fans in attendance. Thanks for saving American wrestling, Kevin Reilly! Sorry you got fired basically immediately after this. Thanks to their TV deal, AEW weathered that year and a half, found stability in the pandemic and came out of it in 2021 ready to cause some massive shifts. WarnerMedia purchasing the rights to the NHL for seven years caused a logjam on the TNT schedule which led to an altering of AEW's deal, giving them more yearly money (I've heard from Sean Ross Sapp that it was about 10 million a year) to move to TBS and add more content on TNT in the form of the quarterly Battle of the Belts special. The second 1-hour show that had been in the 2020 deal but was delayed by the pandemic, AEW Rampage was also announced as a part of this deal. Which is where AEW has been up to this point. Dynamite on TBS, Rampage and Battle of the Belts on TNT. Around 55 million dollars a year from WarnerMedia. Ratings have ebbed and flowed for all three programs, depending on the time of year and the competition, but AEW has at this point built a stable relationship with WarnerMedia and is due for a great increase in 2024. Tony Khan has even purchased another wrestling promotion, Ring of Honor, which has already gone on to air PPVs on Bleacher Report, Warner's sports streaming service and a rights deal for RoH is currently being discussed between Tony Khan and his partners at Warner, so the relationship is very strong right now. The only thing that could mess this up is if WarnerMedia....wasn't WarnerMedia anymore. Warner Bros. Discovery: I've Got An Urge To Merge Around the time AEW was getting back out on the road and making the deals that would lead to the move to TBS and the premiere of Rampage, much bigger things were happening at the top. WarnerMedia was being spun off from AT&T for a merger with Discovery, creating a new multimedia conglomerate known as....Warner Bros. Discovery, go figure. A merger of two massive companies, involving Warner and how it might affect a wrestling company that's on Warner's airwaves immediately sent shockwaves through the wrestling industry. More on this later on, but you don't have to think about it for very long to figure out that AEW and Warner Bros Discovery in 2022 is very, very, very different from WCW and AOL-Time Warner in 2001. Having said that, I dunno much about the economics of gigantic businesses merging into conglomerate hydras like this, but as we've seen play out, any merger this big is going to involve a lot of money being spent and a lot of costs being slashed. It's difficult to get a bead on what's actually happening and what's not, there were rumors of massive job cutting happening at HBO Max which appear to have been exaggerated, but we do know HBO Max is going to be merged with Discovery+ at some point. We also know Warner Bros. Discovery is going to be making cuts across a lot of its media arms. The one that raised a lot of eyebrows was Batgirl, a finished movie being cancelled, so they could write it off for a tax break. Development of original programming at TNT and TBS is being halted, with the upcoming season 4 of Snowpiercer to be the last thing out the door. There's talk that animated content is going to be getting cut too. A lot of stuff at Warner looks completely different from how it did just over a year ago and a lot of stuff across all of Warner is getting slashed right now, which leads to the obvious question.... What Does This Mean For AEW's Next TV Deal? Long story short: Nobody has any loving idea!!!!!!!! Long story long? Let's get into it. Now, as mentioned earlier, this is nothing like WCW in 2001. The most important distinction: WCW was owned by Turner, which had become a part of Warner. AEW is owned by Tony Khan. That means Tony Khan foots the bill for AEW, whereas Warner footed the bill for WCW and up to that point, WCW had been a massive money pit for most of its existence on Turner/Warner and after a gigantic merger like the one AOL Time Warner did, when somebody looks at a spreadsheet and sees this wrestling company that does nothing but eat money and produce horrible television and workplace discrimination lawsuits? You sell that poo poo for pennies on the dollar just to get it the gently caress off of your books. This is about as disparate as possible from AEW's relationship with Warner Bros. Discovery. AEW only costs what WBD pays for their media rights, and not for nothing, but AEW isn't constantly embarassing WBD and exposing them to lawsuits the way WCW did Time Warner. AEW isn't a giant money sink and a pain in the rear end for WBD, it's one of their most successful TV properties and they don't have to expend any effort running it themselves. In their earnings call, WBD boasted about AEW Dynamite being one of their most watched programs. I think it's safe to say that as long as they keep preforming at their current level, AEW will have absolutely no problem staying on WBD's airwaves. https://twitter.com/BrandonThurston/status/1555294297066446850 https://twitter.com/BrandonThurston/status/1555296637374894080 Having said that. Just as the merger was happening, WarnerMedia made a 7-year deal with the NHL for 225 million dollars a year. They're paying MLB 470 million a year until 2028. They're paying the NBA 2.1 billion a year and that deal comes up in 2025, and the NBA apparently wants 75 billion dollars for the next round. Will AEW cost as much as these properties? No, probably not. But WBD is paying a lot of money to these three sports leagues, they're gonna have to pay a whole bunch to the NBA in a couple years, they're clearly already in slashing mode, AEW might wind up being the odd one out at the table, here. There's no chance of them not being renewed, but is there a chance of them not getting that big increase that they've been working for since the first day of the company? AEW no longer has the "Vince McMahon advantage" across the dial, with an insane serial abuser running the other company (it's now being run by a slightly different abuse enabler) being a huge boon for them in negotiations with talent in a variety of ways. The WWE Is Good Again For Real This Time hype is definitely being overplayed, but the WWE Is Probably A Less lovely Place To Work Now hype probably isn't. AEW will have to compete with WWE for top-tier talent when the contracts of incredibly important stars like Jon Moxley, Kenny Omega and Maxwell Jacob Friedman come up, they'll have to compete with WWE for talent up and down the card and getting a significant increase on their next TV deal will be incredibly important to that. Can they still take a step towards getting the kind of deal that WWE is getting for Raw and SmackDown and Peacock that will allow them to keep growing and keep competing with WWE? And if they can't get it from Warner Bros. Discovery, who can they get it from? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlonuAslcQI Dave Meltzer, of the Wrestling Observer, seems pessimistic and stresses how good of a situation AEW currently has on TBS. Dave Meltzer posted:"I don't see AEW being canceled. Most weeks, it is the most popular show on either TNT or TBS. You're not gonna cut your highest rated show. But as far as giving it a big increase in rights, they're really going to have to find outside bidders. Then that becomes problematic, because if you go to a weaker station, your numbers aren't gonna look as good. One of the great things about being on TBS, you've got a good lead-in, you've got a station people actually watch. Really, where they are positioned is probably about as good a positioning as you can get for the show. This station is the perfect fit for AEW, but at the same time, the key way the company is gonna be able to make money is through television rights. And if you want to make it a profitable company when your parent company is slicing budgets everywhere and in ways that people do not expect, it's been a bloodletting there and there's probably still more to come. So the timing for AEW, with their deal coming up at the end of next year, the last two days haven't looked good. Brandon Thurston of Wrestlenomics on the other hand, seems bullish. https://twitter.com/BrandonThurston/status/1555345836581715973 From where I'm sitting, an increase to 175 million dollars a year for, say, 4 years would be a huge, huge win for AEW. That would easily allow them to retain their top talent and keep aggressively making their roster better by looking for new talent. Thurston concedes how AEW is more difficult to predict (probably based on, y'know, all the stuff we've been talking about in this thread) and like Meltzer, stresses the importance of outside bidders. In 2020, WarnerMedia avoided a bidding war by locking AEW down. In 2022, it seems like AEW will have to start that bidding war to get the payday they're searching for. Thurston also did a podcast about the value of AEW and WWE's TV deals, I haven't listened to it yet, but I assume it's a worthy listen, Thurston is a smart guy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjE6tUqj9-M For his part, and I leave it to you to divine how much of this is wrestling promoter speak and how much of it is the earnestness and outspokenness we've come to expect from him, Tony Khan seems very optimistic. https://twitter.com/TonyKhan/status/1530256742096875520 Tony Khan posted:A: I’m incredibly grateful every day that AEW has this great relationship with Warner Bros. Discovery and we’ve done well for TBS and TNT with “Dynamite” and “Rampage” where we’re a strong performer for Warner Bros. Discovery on a weekly basis. I think there is still a lot of time left for the next rights deal, but we have a great thing happening right now and I do believe our future media rights will be important and frankly a very large revenue stream for AEW going forward, and I think that’s because of the great support we’ve had from the fans and the hard work of everybody backstage and the wrestlers every Wednesday and Friday, pulling it together and delivering great shows. "The most fulfilling meeting of my life." seems fairly demonstrative and doesn't strike me as simple promoter speak, it strikes me as something being said by a man who reasonably believes he's on track to accomplishing something he's been working towards for a very, very long time. There's a lot more to this that only makes it murkier and murkier. WBD's cuts are mostly "linear content" and going forward, they seem to have an eye towards unscripted, nonlinear content like reality shows. Is AEW viewed within WBD as nonlinear unscripted content? Is it viewed as sports? We've heard rumblings and seen trademarks in the past year suggesting AEW is going to attempt to create more reality shows like they had with Cody Rhodes' Rhodes to the Top. You can reasonably infer that this is them trying to leverage their platform into creating content that WBD sees as more valuable. The thing I personally am most intrigued by is something both Meltzer and Thurston touched on, and that's outside bidders. AEW will probably have to drum up some interest from someone else to get that big deal, whether it's with WBD or someone else. Who is that someone else? Meltzer briefly mentioned ESPN, but waves them off as not being interested in wrestling and besides that, not being a good fit because of the constant preemption that would naturally happen. Would Paramount or Disney be interested at all? What about a streaming service like Amazon or Netflix or Apple? Those guys are always looking for content that can draw eyes and I'm sure they would pay a pretty penny for one of the top programs on cable, but going from TV to streaming really hurts your reach, so is that even a good idea if the offer comes along? Personally, I have a bit of a crazy one in mind. https://twitter.com/BrandonThurston/status/1555345830420398082 Assuming WBD picks up AEW's 2024 option (and I've seen nothing to suggest they won't), AEW's deals end several months after WWE's. Since Vince McMahon - They thought they would be getting Brock Lesnar. They didn't. Kind of. He's been in and out of both shows over the last several years and while he has had some runs on SmackDown over the course of this deal, he seems pretty done at this point. - They thought they would be getting Ronda Rousey. They didn't, at least until after she had completely stopped mattering as a business mover. - They have to spend their airtime promoting the streaming service of a competitor, in Peacock. - They really wanted WWE to get CM Punk for SmackDown and they were not happy that not only did they not get him, but WWE jerked them around in the discussion process.  Article: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10011160-cm-punk-rumors-fox-execs-very-upset-wwe-didnt-make-big-offer-to-prevent-aew-deal And guess where CM Punk works now? Now, it's difficult to know how much of this really annoys FOX and to what degree, and all things being made equal, SmackDown is still the #1 show on TV most Fridays, so they're probably relatively satisfied. But what if all of these deals shake out and for one reason or another, SmackDown isn't on FOX anymore, but FOX decides they still have an appetite for The Wrestle? Maybe this could be that outside bidder. Maybe it could even be AEW's new home. Maybe in a couple years, we'll all be watching RING OF HONOR ON TUBI!!!!! But that's all just baseless conjecture and speculation. Like I have said, I have no loving idea how this is all gonna shake out. But this TV deal is probably going to be the most important thing in determining exactly what AEW will be going forward and I personally find the subject incredibly fascinating, so I wanted to make a thread about it. Share your own meaningless speculation on what other networks or streaming services or other media entities could get involved in this. It's time to try and convince your fellow posters that WWE being sold to Disney opens the door for a resurgent Destination America to swoop in and win the wrestling wars once and for all.
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Aug 5, 2022 18:50
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Dave Meltzer posted:Discovery programming is usually budgeted at $400,000 to $500,000 per hour. Wrestling fits into that parameter because right now they are paying roughly $321,000 per hour for one of the top rated shows on cable and a second show on Friday Just for AEW's two shows alone, a little less than twice what they're getting now would likely be considered a win for them, but that's at the top end of Discovery's budget for shows. So what's the solution? AEW/Tony Khan seems to think the solution is to provide more hours of content (if not necessarily wrestling content) that's fitted to Discovery's usual portfolio - that is, cheap to produce reality-focused TV. The two recent trademarks seem to indicate both a backstage show and a total divas-type show. If Discovery is interested in both, that reduces the ratio that they're paying AEW content for drastically. And they don't have to stop with just those two shows. There were rumors that they were working on a reality show for Strickland. A show where Darby does stupid poo poo. A show about Britt Baker's dental practice on TLC. Suddenly Discovery isn't paying for only 3 hours of content, they're paying for 8 or 9, and can justify paying AEW more total (while these shows make a negligible impact on AEW's overall budget). I am not as bullish as Thurston is, I think 5x is unlikely. I think 3x AEW would even be over the moon about, but 2x seems fairly do-able to me and will enable them to retain top talent. And make the next step as an organization from "plucky start-up where everyone wears many hats) to a more professional organization that doesn't need to piggyback off of the Jaguars infrastructure.
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A shame AEW missed out on Quibi. Also I think the bit about the outside bidders is gonna be the biggest thing here, yeah. 0% chance AEW is cancelled/dies/devoured by Cody's boob, but I can see a disappointing renewal if there isn't interest from elsewhere. I dont think FOX is an option but lmao I might die if there were even the slightest of rumblings from their camp
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It seems more likely AEW would be valued like a sport, with a focus on live ratings. AEW isn't something you can just "re-run" in a block for 10 hours like Discovery does with so much of their reality TV. But Rhodes to the Top kind of was, so makes sense AEW is talking about doing more things like that. The outside bidders thing is really going to be the key I guess.
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Fresh Off The Dave Presses, an element of this I hadn't thought is AEW's PPVs on Bleacher Report. https://twitter.com/davemeltzerWON/status/1555632337542455296 Bleacher Report Loves The Papes.
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My take is that without the WBD merger AEW would have gotten insane amounts of money to continue airing shaping them up to be a WWE competitor rather than just what is probably going to be a very large amount of money that sustains their continuing growth into a full fledged WWE competitor
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i hope aew has to go on MyNetworkTV due to it having a deceptively massive reach (10 million higher than tbs) and being owned by fox who love cm punk
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Major film studios and their parent companies basically own most TV and usually have major shares in streaming services (like Disney owning 2/3 of Hulu and NBC-Universal owning the other 1/3), so it's good to keep track of who owns what, and who is most likely to be looking out for new acquisitions. Fox is a bit of an exception in TV because while Disney bought out their film studios, their sports-related TV (and news) wasn't part of the merger. Crossposting info from something I mentioned recently in another thread: quote:The big five film studios are Disney & Sony owning about 26% each of the total market share, then WBD and NBCU/Comcast owning about 14-15% each, and Paramount only owns 6%. The rest are all minor studios like Lionsgate, though Amazon is probably on their way to Paramount level now that they bought MGM a few months ago, which would raise them to ~7% and make them a major again. Wild times. Everyone just kind of took it as a given that Disney was going to be on top forever.
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MJeff posted:Fresh Off The Dave Presses, an element of this I hadn't thought is AEW's PPVs on Bleacher Report. I'd absolutely hope that doesn't happen, AEW actually having decent amount of time to build to their PPVs is such a positive for them
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forkboy84 posted:I'd absolutely hope that doesn't happen, AEW actually having decent amount of time to build to their PPVs is such a positive for them They could afford monthly papes. I couldn't, but they could.
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Aug 5, 2022 23:58
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PBS should pick up Rampage.
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MJeff posted:Fresh Off The Dave Presses, an element of this I hadn't thought is AEW's PPVs on Bleacher Report. I wouldn't mind some more AEW Papes, maybe 2 or 3 more? I'd like a few more Forbidden Door style shows, co-promoted with the organisations AEW has partnerships with or ones that regularly exchange talent like AEW/NJPW, AEW/TJPW and AEW/AAA? It would be a nice entry point for people like me that doesn't get access to much lucha or watch as much joshi as one probably should.
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I think 5 AEW PPV shows, 1 Crossover with NJPW/Another company, and 4 ROH would be the best balance but if Warner Discovery comes with a big money offer but wants 12 AEW PPV's a year than if I'm AEW I'm taking that deal
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I suppose they can turn the themed shows like Fyter Fest or specials like BotB into PPVs. I just also want shows that also showcase the women, including the joshi talent as well as luchadors.
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It's a funny thing cause I'm sure the Turner side would balk at more PPVs because that's naturally taking stuff off of TV. But the BR people obviously want more PPVs because AEW PPVs preform so well for them. I would assume the Turner side would win that particular tug of war?
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MJeff posted:It's a funny thing cause I'm sure the Turner side would balk at more PPVs because that's naturally taking stuff off of TV. But the BR people obviously want more PPVs because AEW PPVs preform so well for them. It's probably a very complex ad rates/direct PPV revenue calculation.
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this is a great thread, lots of stuff I had no idea about, hoping for bbt to pull big bucks despite all the shakeups in the TV landscape
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MJeff posted:It's a funny thing cause I'm sure the Turner side would balk at more PPVs because that's naturally taking stuff off of TV. But the BR people obviously want more PPVs because AEW PPVs preform so well for them. Do the BR people have any legitimate leverage or say? Seems like it'd be a "You'll take what we want to give you and be happy about it" from the AEW side.
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Sir Tonk posted:PBS should pick up Rampage. Keith Lee would be a great host for Reading Rainbow. His calm voice would be relaxing for the children.
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I imagine for the PPV's it's not just looking at what AEW does for BR but also what UFC does for ESPN+ as well. Not to mention if they want to work TV Into it they could do stuff like UFC has been doing recently with the undercard on TV and have the Buy in be on the network as well
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My favourite channel that hosts Dynamite is XWT. I hope that they make a gajillion dollars so the show keeps getting better and I hope that they keep doing the Fite.TV thing internationally because gently caress commercials.
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Also consider this...Warner Discovery wants Discovery+ to be a global service...What if they offer Dynamite Overseas without commercials as part of the service or for a monthly fee? That could be part of the negotiations as well
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SatoshiMiwa posted:Also consider this...Warner Discovery wants Discovery+ to be a global service...What if they offer Dynamite Overseas without commercials as part of the service or for a monthly fee? That could be part of the negotiations as well We already kind of get that on FITE. edogawa rando fucked around with this message at 19:19 on Aug 6, 2022 |
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edogawa rando posted:We already kind of get that on FITE. Here in the UK Discovery+ is only £1/month more expensive than AEW on Fite, so if they want to move it over (and keep the PPVs at £20) then I'd be fine with that.
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They gotta FITE For the RITES ... To Wreeeest-ling
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as long as i can watch dynamite/rampage from "london" i'm happy. i'm never going to have cable again so they better keep a streaming option.
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blunt posted:Here in the UK Discovery+ is only £1/month more expensive than AEW on Fite, so if they want to move it over (and keep the PPVs at £20) then I'd be fine with that. I live in a part of the world where we don't get any of that. No HBO Max, no Discovery+. It loving sucks. FITE's all we have for AEW and RoH.
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good threadCavauro posted:i hope aew has to go on MyNetworkTV due to it having a deceptively massive reach (10 million higher than tbs) and being owned by fox who love cm punk and yet a number of stations air their stuff late at night the affiliate here in dc is owned by fox but they happen to do that
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Aug 7, 2022 02:08
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AEW is getting the guy that played Gibbs to do interviews when they move to CBS
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MJeff posted:It's a funny thing cause I'm sure the Turner side would balk at more PPVs because that's naturally taking stuff off of TV. But the BR people obviously want more PPVs because AEW PPVs preform so well for them. Isn't BR owned by Turner? So either way, Turner is still getting paid.
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Vandar posted:Isn't BR owned by Turner? So either way, Turner is still getting paid. That's not how these huge corporations work. Basically, even though at the end of the day, yes, the parent company reaps the rewards and the shareholders see Number Go Up, the way to think about this poo poo is that each arm of a company like this is it's own little mini-company, and if another department is making money of Thing A when we could be making money off it instead, then we're losing.
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i thought that only really played out in a big way in eddie lampert type hellscapes
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aew on nick at nite is nick at nite still a thing? make nick at nite a thing again and put aew on it
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vp64MKydOkA Wrestlenomics Radio with Brandon Thurston and Jesse Collings, main topic is AEW's TV deal. They lay out basically everything we've discussed in this thread, AEW's relationship with WBD, potential outside bidders, money vs. reach, etc. Good listen. An interesting point they both bring up is that at no point has Tony Khan signaled he's, like a Vince or a Nick Khan might say, "open for business", he's only ever talked about how great the relationship with Turner is and he's never even really sounded particularly interested in going anywhere else or courting outside interest.
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FITE.TV spoiled our fun. AEW's next TV deal is in Italy and Germany. Close the thread.Huntman posted:Looks like they are getting more TV deals elsewhere in Europe. Someone on Reddit posted a follow-up email that Italy will (potentially) be getting a new channel to watch AEW on.
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MJeff posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vp64MKydOkA I have a hard time picturing where else Tony would willingly want to go. Like who is there really? Discovery, NBCU, Viacom, Fox, Disney... There's so much consolidation that there's not a lot of channels to choose from. TNT/TBS seem like a very good fit as long as they give a good offer. It'd be funny to see USA try and swap out WWE for AEW, but there might be too much risk and too many moving parts for everyone. And honestly I think I'd still prefer to be on TBS/TNT, at least how they look now.
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Yeah I gotta figure he knows a good position when he sees it, getting a TV slot period was no guarantee starting out so he doesn’t want to jeopardize a good thing.
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And coincidentally, the episode SPONSORED BY HOUSE OF THE DRAGON, PREMIERING ON HBO MAX!!!!! has: 1) Bryan Danielson in a 2/3 falls match (dragon vs. dragon slayer, we hitting that cross promotion, boys). 2) CM Punk returning from injury. 3) They're all but telling you Omega is not only returning, but wrestling. Yeah, I'd say TK wants this relationship to work. 
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MJeff posted:And coincidentally, the episode SPONSORED BY HOUSE OF THE DRAGON, PREMIERING ON HBO MAX!!!!! has: In a play out of delicious corporate synergy, it's toons vs. goons in Space Jam: A New Legacy, now available https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsfEiZ_IY2U&t=233s
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