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I have done 16 drafts so far and have played G/x in every single one of them, mostly Abzan. 67% win rate. Telling someone they should have taken blue cards in their draft review is, like, active harm. I guess I did splash the Ophidian guy and Villainous Wealth in one deck I guess I need to branch out but haven't seen why yet
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 https://www.17lands.com/draft/cd578f6163a748abb1814d50a29bc221 I was shipped a RG Starter Pack at the beginning so my lane was set pretty early. The fine-tuning decisions of getting ramp/fixing vs. removal vs. beaters was tricky though. I think this is a much more responsible splash than my last draft lol? I don't think I need to play any Oasis Gardeners for Annie with 2 Dances and a Hardbristle + 3ish lands that could tap for white. I just need to survive until 5 mana I guess lol Edit: I feel like I just need more early bodies, probably replacing explosive derailment with the lackey CharlieFoxtrot fucked around with this message at 19:18 on Apr 25, 2024 |
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Apr 25, 2024 18:49
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fun rules interaction: if you target Lazhav, Familiar Stranger with Back for More, the fight trigger will cause a crime that allows lazhav to pump and copy a creature before the fight resolves
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Apr 25, 2024 20:02
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1-3. Annie Flash was good i guess. I never saw Roxanne except when it got stolen by Laughing Jasper Flint lol. Mulled to 5 against Bonny Pall lol I am out of gold and want to preserve my gem stockpile so I guess it's back to constructed until i get the mastery token Grixis crime decks with unblockable damage are just tearing me apart
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Apr 25, 2024 20:28
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:
Intermediate report from my current draft deck: eot Gigapede into Calamity is a bit of an oofster
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Apr 25, 2024 22:35
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blue's commons are mostly dogshit but their uncommons are almost all incredible. lockpicker is great. outlaw stitcher is great. nimble brigand is great. intimidation campaign is great. lazhav is great. if you have a pretty good rakdos or golgari crime/reanimator draft going it is almost always worth it to splash blue for the best uncommons you see in the pod.
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Apr 25, 2024 23:16
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Green is insane right now
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Apr 25, 2024 23:32
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Green is huge now. Green is on the come up. Green is making moves lately.
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Apr 25, 2024 23:55
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Simply Simon posted:That can't be true I heard Blue is undraftable and you can't succeed without Green?! the trick to common knowledge about color strength in a limited environment is that if you have enough people who think the exact same way and also aren't good enough to read signals they'll all fight over one or two colors and feed you the best cards in the others ofc sometimes an environment is so imbalanced that you still shouldn't even try, but I don't remember the last time poo poo was that dire
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Apr 26, 2024 00:31
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Eeevil posted:Green is huge now. Green is on the come up. Green is making moves lately. Buy green! Sell red! Buy! Sell! gently caress!
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Apr 26, 2024 00:39
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Blue is good if you can deduce that you're the only one in the pod taking blue cards, which has happened to me multiple times.
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Apr 26, 2024 00:43
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Venuz Patrol posted:blue's commons are mostly dogshit but their uncommons are almost all incredible. lockpicker is great. outlaw stitcher is great. nimble brigand is great. intimidation campaign is great. lazhav is great. if you have a pretty good rakdos or golgari crime/reanimator draft going it is almost always worth it to splash blue for the best uncommons you see in the pod. I’ve always been the type of drafter to actively avoid the known best deck in order to get my pick of the chaff, and I’ve been having decent success with blue mainly on the strength of its uncommons. I had a draft with three manamorphic blast and was pleasantly surprised at how often it was “kill a guy, draw 2”.
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Apr 26, 2024 03:49
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Just 0-3'd a draft that I dare try out a Jeskai build where literally every. single. game. came down to me removing a major threat and see it countered by Snakeskin Veil. Was floored to see it end the second game, Vince McMahon meme reaction to see it decide the third game. Absolute miserable experience. Deck in build felt 'ok', but crumpled to incredibly basic GWB decks. CatstropheWaitress fucked around with this message at 09:01 on Apr 26, 2024 |
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Apr 26, 2024 08:58
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flatluigi posted:the trick to common knowledge about color strength in a limited environment is that if you have enough people who think the exact same way and also aren't good enough to read signals they'll all fight over one or two colors and feed you the best cards in the others Wasn't blue that bad in ONE, at least unless you got multiple of the U/W uncommon?
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A Moose posted:Wasn't blue that bad in ONE, at least unless you got multiple of the U/W uncommon?
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Simply Simon posted:Another late night OTJ Premier which I'll play out tomorrow I lost to a very interesting Dimir deck that tempo'd me out with cheap creatures - their Spring Splasher kept shrinking my early stuff, then their Apothecary gave them Menace, so I couldn't block well. Before I knew it I was super low, and then they drained the last points of life with the target players draws two and loses two card. Sweet deck! Next loss was also against Dimir, they stabilized at 8 life and then we stared at each other for a while while their Sphinx kept pecking in. I had a decent board and Great Train Heist but discovered another point of awkwardness: all of their stuff had way too much toughness (starting at 4), so the Heist didn't actually do anything?! Lost after drawing a bunch of lands while they drew action, but also ofc the Sphinx helped them Surveil so that's not bad luck, their deck was better. Finally, I had a weird game against a GW deck where I had to mull to 5 after not risking a hand with Forest, Forest, Hardbristle and only B cards. Perhaps I should have taken the risk? Anyway they didn't do anything except grow their Prairie Dog for many turns and I realized after like 5 turns that ooooh they must have the wrath. They did. I never drew dog removal so that alone won them the game, but ofc they also had 7 spells in hand against my zero, so I would have lost anyway. Good play and plan on their end, though maybe less good if I'd gotten any kill spell!
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If you want to get a plotted card with Binding Negotiation do you need to decline the first option to pick something out of their hand? Slightly annoyed it doesn't just let me pick the plotted card right away because it makes me think I'm going to decline to choose any card.
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Did an OTJ QD because I want to convert some more gems into money, but I'm not seeing it on 17lands - perhaps because I started it too quickly and it wasn't implemented yet. Anyway, this is the deck: It was a bit weird because after a few great cards at the start, the packs just seemed pretty bad. No pay-offs, not even many of the standard Good Green Creatures - at least I got a few aggressive two-drops so I can pretend this is an aggro deck. It's at least 3-1 so far, the Keykeeper + Vigilante combo is actually p fun. Hope I can do the same thing with the Lasso at some point. Shout-outs to the current play of the deck: they have a 2/3 and a 4/3 flier, I have a 2/2. I play Throw from the Saddle to kill the 4/3. But they have two open mana, so in response they Thunder Salvo! Except in response to THAT, I play Trash the Town for 4 with the draw 2 mode as a "bonus". The flier dies, their Salvo is wasted, and their 2/3 can't kill my newly minted 5/5 (with 2 damage on it). They don't want to chump and I get a 4 for 2. EDIT: Oh, I also wanted to report on an LCI QD I did when it was still on. https://www.17lands.com/draft/5bd22e9a88bc41a28d7d9070dbe453d9 This is a Jeskai format, so obviously I drafted a Golgari deck and trophied with it.  The Echoes of Dusk were MVPs: Final Striking with a lifelinker then attacking is so drat good. The self-mill worked beautifully to fuel them, or provide targets for Defossilize and Another Chance. Staggering Size is a great finisher no matter what shell you're in. Simply Simon fucked around with this message at 18:36 on Apr 26, 2024 |
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Dipping my toe in this after being out of Magic for 20+ years and burning out on Hearthstone. Currently having a blast running through the starter deck quests and looking forward to jumping into limited draft mode which is always my favorite mode in any card game. How does that work online? Do I need to play through all my games with the same group of people like a real-life booster draft, or can I stop and come back days later like Hearthstone Arena mode? Asking because my gaming chunks are often pretty short.
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Sloppy posted:Dipping my toe in this after being out of Magic for 20+ years and burning out on Hearthstone. Currently having a blast running through the starter deck quests and looking forward to jumping into limited draft mode which is always my favorite mode in any card game. The draft portion has timed picks and is done all in one sitting. After the draft you can take however long you want to build your deck and can play matches whenever you want since it matches you against everyone, not just the people you drafted with.
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You don’t play the games against your draft pod so it is okay to just do the draft and then play out the games at your leisure.
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That's perfect. Thanks guys!
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Got my draft token, ended up with a BW sacrifice deck, the gameplan basically worked once and I got run over every other time, 2-3
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In additional to what everyone else said, here's the different types of draft queue: Traditional draft: best of three matches with sideboards, draft is timed, with 7 other people Premier draft: best of one matches with no sideboards, draft is timed, with 7 other humans Quick draft: best of one matches with no sideboard, draft is untimed, with 7 bots You'll only ever play against people that entered the same draft queue as you did. Prizes differ between the queues, too.
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Lone Goat posted:In additional to what everyone else said, here's the different types of draft queue: Very helpful, thank you. Which would you recommend to someone who is very rusty? I'm initially attracted to no sideboard since that seems like it would benefit a lot from the meta knowledge I don't have yet.
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I don't care what the winrate is, I like to cast reanimate in limited. make yourselves known, haters
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^^^^ using the GY as a resource is one of the most basic but most satisfying pleasures in magicSloppy posted:Very helpful, thank you. Which would you recommend to someone who is very rusty? I'm initially attracted to no sideboard since that seems like it would benefit a lot from the meta knowledge I don't have yet.
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Sloppy posted:Very helpful, thank you. Which would you recommend to someone who is very rusty? I'm initially attracted to no sideboard since that seems like it would benefit a lot from the meta knowledge I don't have yet. Quick to get your feet under you, but get out as soon as you can because the bots have a pretty strict pick order and are usually easily to exploit (for example, finding out what good cards they undervalue, and picking them late). After that, either of the other two are fine. Premier is ranked so that you'll be playing against other people of your rank. Trad is unranked so you can be paired against anyone. Regardless of what you're playing, if you're on desktop I strongly suggest getting the app at https://www.17lands.com/ which can record your drafts and games for you. It's free and lightweight and a great tool to help you improve. Sadly there's no equivalent for tablet/mobile.
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CatstropheWaitress posted:Just 0-3'd a draft that I dare try out a Jeskai build where literally every. single. game. came down to me removing a major threat and see it countered by Snakeskin Veil. Was floored to see it end the second game, Vince McMahon meme reaction to see it decide the third game. I feel like every draft I've tried this last week has been an opponent dropping Bonny Palls and Bristly Bills and Railway Brawlers and countering my every attempt to remove them with veil and shield and counterspells, or just reanimating them the next turn. Maybe I've just been having rotten luck but this has been the worst feeling draft environment for me of the last few years.
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if you want to kill a bomb while the other player has green or white mana up, the goal is to force them to use their protection spell proactively, so you can respond with removal. force them to block a big threat you have, or multiblock the bomb. they cast their veil or take up the shield to win combat, you cast your consuming ashes or whatever in response. If you can't maintain a board state that can bait opponents like that, then you probably have bigger problems with your drafting habits than not being passed good rares. OTJ is flush with ways to set up big attackers or blockers that require a response from the other player
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Sloppy posted:Very helpful, thank you. Which would you recommend to someone who is very rusty? I'm initially attracted to no sideboard since that seems like it would benefit a lot from the meta knowledge I don't have yet. BO1 quick or premiere feels a lot nicer. Untapped.gg overlay is fantastic. Someone recommended 17lands but it's pretty useless as draft help if you're not a major draft 10x a week pro, and as far as I know doesn't have an overlay. Plus while I'm drafting, last thing I need is a statistica chart on another monitor glancing at it trying to parse what's good and bad out of my options... Untapped has a super helpful overlay and even a trial/paid drafting assist, but even without it super handy to be able to quickly see which cards are typically considered stinkers or great cards. It won't just make a good deck picking the best thing each time but it's a very useful starting point for each pack passed to you as you eventually accrue knowledge of the meta and draft.
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do note that untappeds draft helper only uses their own acquired data and it ends up being pretty garbage until like a week into the format. don't use it as a substitute for actually thinking about your draft, but it's a solid additional tool
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PT showing why RW is such an underpowered combo this set. Reigning champion 0-2 with it and the matches weren't even remotely close.
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Has anyone else played against this mono black deck in Standard? A bunch of hand attack stuff and Tinybones Joins up/Kaervek? Just got absolutely demolished, neat little combo.
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fadam posted:Has anyone else played against this mono black deck in Standard? A bunch of hand attack stuff and Tinybones Joins up/Kaervek? Just got absolutely demolished, neat little combo. I do want to try it but only if it ends up being real, since it started as a joke skeleton typal deck iirc and I didn't want to dump the wildcards on a gimmick that said there's apparently a two card full kill combo with one of the spree cards and a lost caverns flyer with aclazotz in its name out there so mono black might be real enough to go for it
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flatluigi posted:I do want to try it but only if it ends up being real, since it started as a joke skeleton typal deck iirc and I didn't want to dump the wildcards on a gimmick The combo is cool, I got beaten by it. Spree does half your life rounded up damage, Bloodletter doubles damage. You need interaction (or to kill them before turn 5) but a lot of the rest of the deck is about removing that from your hand.
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I think the combo reads like a meme, but it might be reasonable because of how slow and light on stack interaction Domain and Worldsoul decks are and how easy it is for them to gain a shitload of life and get out of reach of conventional attacks.
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flatluigi posted:do note that untappeds draft helper only uses their own acquired data and it ends up being pretty garbage until like a week into the format. don't use it as a substitute for actually thinking about your draft, but it's a solid additional tool Definitely, it also helps to read the text reasoning listed, especially early on when many card evals are necessarily from pre-release. It also can't make decisions for you, and you sometimes get like an amazing 50 score blazing card... That doesn't fit with any card you have so far and no mana fixing to accommodate it. Poking in the MtG threads is also helpful, I can't read through the pick by pick draft analysis but there's a ton of "green is good" easy info to glean as well, plus direct advice when sought. It was cool the experts in here figured out greens power a few days earlier than the general drafting populace. I got a few good decks drafted in that window with little to no fighting over green. Then a couple days later the untapped overlay went from 0 green presence in the top 10 or 20 chosen archetypes, to basically every combo of green being up there.
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:Drafting Archetypes: OTJ Grixis Thank you for this CharlieFoxtrot. OTJ bot draft started today and green is NOT open on the bots but the Grixis deck is INSANELY OPEN. I’ve been cleaning up today and the gameplay is incredible to boot.
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