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Dabir posted:Are chavs not specifically a London thing? Plenty to be seen in Newport (Wales) and there are definitely a couple in my town - all baggy falling down trackies and backwards prat hats (baseball caps) often catching the bus to Newport and getting upset on the phone when the bus is running 20 mins late and their dealer is getting pissed off waiting for them in the salubrious environment of Friars Walk Bus Station. 4 - the big four, the gang of four, four candles...
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Z the IVth posted:Highlands is sheep surely. Aren't rednecks mostly rural? Chavs not so much. A US equivalent is probably 'urban' in the racist sense except white, or something.
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OwlFancier posted:Today I learned where the word originates from, never knew that. I don't... think it was used like that when I was a kid, I vaguely remember it being slightly interchangeable with "townies" and pretty associated with the rougher bits of grangetown and boro. Sort of like a weird kind of intra-class classism, cos nobody was posh but the kids from the proper rough bits of the town were still looked down on. Though being fair there were some places you wouldn't want to go cos you'd just be non-stop hassled by kids in tracksuits.
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When I read chav I just imagine that video of the topless lad giving his topless mate a kiss before smashing a chair across his bsck
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Guavanaut posted:"no this is for the bad white English kids (I have my own terrible words for all the others thank you)." Basically yeah, there's still plenty of anti-traveller racism but I don't know anybody who would use that word for it.
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I was told it simply stood for council house and violent but I'm guessing that came along later
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there are lots of very local words here for them like spides and millies and um maybe not lots, but at least two
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oh neds, in scotland
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now old crispix will await the inevitable correction on the nuances of what he's talked poo poo about by someone better informed on such matters
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crispix posted:oh neds, in scotland I remember being told to fear Glaswegian neds
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Redneck used to be a compliment because it was about the red that all those unions communists wore around their necks, mostly around Appalachia iirc? Now it's just "uneducated country hick" which is a real downgrade imo
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Miftan posted:Redneck used to be a compliment because it was about the red that all those unions communists wore around their necks, mostly around Appalachia iirc? Now it's just "uneducated country hick" which is a real downgrade imo I believe it was a red neck because they spent the days working the fields. So basically manual labourers.
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Tesseraction posted:I believe it was a red neck because they spent the days working the fields. So basically manual labourers. It was both, but I think there's no definitive sources on how it influenced each other.
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A ned is basically a subcategory of bam.
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keep punching joe posted:A ned is basically a subcategory of bam. and how do they fold into the greater margera dynasty
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OwlFancier posted:Basically yeah, there's still plenty of anti-traveller racism but I don't know anybody who would use that word for it. There's almost certainly a bonding factor in it, bad as it is. Now if you got two different ethnic groups meeting in a public space like that, not even the pub fash would blunder straight in with "what words don't you like being called so we can call you them later?", so conversation usually settles on something they all can agree on. So you tend to get a bunch of loanwords that are derogatory not to either group but to a third group that is outsiders to both, like the kids are all lazy and scruffy and lack discipline (chav from Romani) and the girls are even worse and immodest (bint from Arabic) and the telly's all shite too (dreck from Yiddish) and dozens of others that are not against the people from which the word came but a shared target of disdain.
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I would say generally I think that standard english is just... not very good as a language. Like it's OK but all the most expressive words are imports or generated from minority cultures (AAVE keeps giving us a lot of good ones) or occasionally are old dialect words that survive in common usage in parts of the UK but which aren't something you'd get on the syllabus. If you need to express something forcefully, standard english just... isn't as good at it as either new words or imported words. And even conservatives can't resist this either, such as how they can't loving stop saying woke all the time, the meaning is nonsense but they still loving love the word. On a general language note I recently learned that apparently "cotters" is a very specific word to the northeast which is odd because I thought it was just... the word for that? But apparently every part of the UK has their own one, like what you call a small portion of bread.
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This is kind of a false dichotomy though. English has always been supplemented by loan words and slang words and blended words. 'Standard English' isn't a thing.
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HopperUK posted:This is kind of a false dichotomy though. English has always been supplemented by loan words and slang words and blended words. 'Standard English' isn't a thing. Well yeah, but I view that as the difference between english as you actually speak it and english as you would be taught it, and I don't find the two line up that well. Everyone gets a standard idea of english taught to them at school but I think the fact that nobody actually talks like that, is a part of why a lot of people struggle with writing. The common parts of english that are spoken everywhere depend on a far more localized set of dialect words in each place to give it actual usability which I think is why everyone does that. It may, of course, not be unique to english, I don't know if its status as being widely spoken and iterated upon in lots of places has the effect of widening that divide, or whether it's observable in all languages. I'm basically monolingual so I can't comment on other languages.
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HopperUK posted:This is kind of a false dichotomy though. English has always been supplemented by loan words and slang words and blended words. 'Standard English' isn't a thing. *picks up quill and notes down Hopper as a nonstandard English speaker upon my parchment*
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Really it all went downhill when they standardised spelling.
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Bush probably did do 9/11 tho
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Jeb! dressed as a janitor going floor to floor in both towers sticking those plastic explosive blocks from Die Hard onto every pillar is the official narrative now. Wheeling them around in his mop bucket cart.
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"The current government guidance for UK-based companies in this situation is that products placed on the UK market will need to adopt the new UKCA conformity marking. But for UK companies placing goods on the EU market, the option to self-certify will cease. Instead, they will need to use an EU-recognised notified body to confirm compliance." Ahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahaha Hell isle isolating itself from imports and exports on any certifiable products is peak Brexit. Holy loving poo poo this is stupid. Also lollin that we pay 25% Tariffs on steel to export from the UK..... to the UK.
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Sorry not sorry for posting my own tweet https://twitter.com/sebzilla89/status/1565435865308037121?t=nsGiscq-iUbJsyVN04N4hw&s=19
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Diet Crack posted:Labourfluid Miwk?
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If you dwell in the great metropolis, new CityLit course run by David Rosenberg David blurb: quote:In just 12 days time I will have the great pleasure of starting to teach my 12-part course through City Lit called “in the Footsteps of London’s Rebels”. Only the first and last sessions will be on Zoom - all the other 10 will be in the open air and on the streets. Each session will last 2 hours though some will end up during the last 25 minutes at a particular place - usually indoors where we will meet someone who can show us materials and add to our learning that week. I am out of the country - I don’t know how the bookings are going yet but advise those interested to book ASAP. https://www.citylit.ac.uk/courses/in-the-footsteps-of-london-s-rebels Course Blurb: quote:What is the course about?
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The far right extremists in Labour going bonkers because Naomi Wimborne Idrissi is elected to NEC and accusing her of anti-semitism. https://twitter.com/EuanPhilipps/status/1565430701201264641 JVL still crowdfunding for legal costs for libel claim by John Ware https://www.crowdjustice.com/case/defend-libel-ware-against-nwi-jvl/ quote:A reminder that John Ware, presenter of the BBC Panorama programme “Is Labour Antisemitic?” broadcast in July 2019, is suing Jewish Voice for Labour and two of our officers over criticisms of his work:
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The right wing really do just shart out accusations and post right through, don't they?
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crispix posted:there are lots of very local words here for them like spides and millies and um Mind, this was the same friend that back in the 2000s didn't realise there was anything wrong with 'cheating arab' as a colloquialism.
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:The far right extremists in Labour going bonkers because Naomi Wimborne Idrissi is elected to NEC and accusing her of anti-semitism. lol imagine being in a political party that puts Luke Akehurst on it's NEC
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forkboy84 posted:lol imagine being in a political party that puts Luke Akehurst on it's NEC Again, you are crowing that Labour is more right wing, when you have repeatedly advocated for left-wingers to leave the party. This is the inevitable consequence of that. The Labour Party you have over and over again stated you want is Oops All Luke Akehursts. I hate to bring up the Labourism argument again, we don’t have to go over the whole thing, but you’re laughing that a lot of people did what you wanted them to do. Please stop doing that. In general, the NEC results are pretty good considering everything. Really sad about Mish losing though, he’s a great guy.
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the term "chav" is largely superseded by "roadman" among the youth of today and that's seemingly at least a little more about behaviour than fashion or class chav seemed at its height of vitriol when cameron was rocking some heavy moral panics about the yoofs of today, seems almost quaint now
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I think the peak was during New Labour and ASBOs, Cameron wanted to hug a hoodie and do a great repeal bill. Well, he actually just wanted to smash up local community centres and maybe believed he saw some shared goals there.
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Comrade Fakename posted:Again, you are crowing that Labour is more right wing, when you have repeatedly advocated for left-wingers to leave the party. This is the inevitable consequence of that. The Labour Party you have over and over again stated you want is Oops All Luke Akehursts. I hate to bring up the Labourism argument again, we don’t have to go over the whole thing, but you’re laughing that a lot of people did what you wanted them to do. Please stop doing that. No friend, the Labour Party that I want is a party that can only be described in the past tense for it has withered and died. I can only conclude you haven't actually engaged with a single anti-Labour argument if you think the desired result is right wing Labour. The desired result is proving that a centre-left party cannot survive when it holds nothing but contempt for ordinary working people. It is funny that there are self-described socialists who haven't accepted reality yet is all and figure that the Labour Party is anything but a roadblock to socialism is all. Well, also hideously depressing but the laughter helps forget that part; Weekend At Bernie's The Political Party
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